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Title: Racism
Post by: moralshadow on August 10, 2011, 05:55:46 am
 Today I went to the official cRPG North America server, scorned with racist jokes by players named Kkk_kkk, Black_Man_1 and KKK_Sandfriend. Do you condone this? Any grown man or woman would not condone this into a project he has worked hard for. For the sake of your game's integrity, crack down on this.


Thank you so much,


John Turner
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Keshian on August 10, 2011, 06:01:12 am
Well since this is the SUGGESTIONS CORNER, i say this game could use some more racism.  People who get offended are as much to blame as offenders.  Words have no power when we refuse to give them power over us.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 10, 2011, 06:07:40 am
While philosophically I coincide with kesh, I will punish for racism & other overly offensive things as an admin of the NA official servers.
I can tell no admin was on when this happened, me included. I was swimming.
(Cprg north america is a community run server, I'm only admin of the numbered official ones.)
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Xant on August 10, 2011, 06:09:48 am
Agreed with the original poster. I can't stand the people making "funny" jokes about cats. Seriously, guys. Longcat isn't funny, cats have feelings too. Stop the racism.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: moralshadow on August 10, 2011, 06:13:17 am
I don't believe that to be so. I think that everyone is unprotected against mental insults, to varying degrees. Racism is a reflection of the mentality of the players, whether a joke or not. It's juvenile, some people are very hurt by it. You can't seriously tell me, someone popping a rape joke to a rape victim, is wrong to be upset? You response is common, it's also hypocritical, you're human like the rest.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: moralshadow on August 10, 2011, 06:17:43 am
Agreed with the original poster. I can't stand the people making "funny" jokes about cats. Seriously, guys. Longcat isn't funny, cats have feelings too. Stop the racism.

 Cats were revered in many cultures, while races have been a boiling pot throughout the decades. There are some serious feelings about racism to some. While everyone has freedom of opinion, in nowhere should someone be free to cause that kind of emotional pain. Others who believe it's harmless only cause it to get worse, they are the "it's not a big deal" sayers of society. Individually dull and uninformed on anything, besides smart arsed remarks that anybody could come up with. Feel special while you can, life is a beast to those who can't form their own decisions and try to get laughs based off a silly overly-stated meme.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: moralshadow on August 10, 2011, 06:24:51 am
While philosophically I coincide with kesh, I will punish for racism & other overly offensive things as an admin of the NA official servers.
I can tell no admin was on when this happened, me included. I was swimming.
(Cprg north america is a community run server, I'm only admin of the numbered official ones.)
It was official, it was numbered but in NA
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 06:30:28 am
While I can not speak for the Community Servers, I can for the NA Official ones (NA_cRPG_1, NA_cRPG_2, NA_cRPG_3, NA_cRPG_6), and here are the official server rules. (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2606.0.html)

If a name is considered offensive then it will be banned permanently until changed (offensive as open to interpretation by the Game Administrators, the opinion of the user with the name in question does not really count. Badmin? You betcha.).

You will find that the unofficial servers have different mentalities and enforcing (both more lax and more extreme) then official servers.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Xant on August 10, 2011, 08:34:55 am
Cats were revered in many cultures, while races have been a boiling pot throughout the decades. There are some serious feelings about racism to some. While everyone has freedom of opinion, in nowhere should someone be free to cause that kind of emotional pain. Others who believe it's harmless only cause it to get worse, they are the "it's not a big deal" sayers of society. Individually dull and uninformed on anything, besides smart arsed remarks that anybody could come up with. Feel special while you can, life is a beast to those who can't form their own decisions and try to get laughs based off a silly overly-stated meme.

I feel you man. I think that because "some" are mentally as soft as newborns we should be a carebear community. If you get hurt by racism, you've lived a too sheltered life. Go out more. Or do something wild online. Like take part in some conversations on 4chan. After that you can say you've truly been alive. Life's a laugh bro, why waste it being insulted?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 09:07:50 am
I feel you man. I think that because "some" are mentally as soft as newborns we should be a carebear community. If you get hurt by racism, you've lived a too sheltered life. Go out more. Or do something wild online. Like take part in some conversations on 4chan. After that you can say you've truly been alive. Life's a laugh bro, why waste it being insulted?

Wait, are you saying that racism should not hurt, and should not be discouraged?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 09:52:30 am
Sir, i do not only condone it, i encourage it.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Xant on August 10, 2011, 10:05:50 am
Wait, are you saying that racism should not hurt, and should not be discouraged?

What wookie said. We must transform these sensitive children into real men.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: okiN on August 10, 2011, 10:06:40 am
Regardless of what these knuckleheads think, it's neither condoned nor tolerated.

Troll warnings all around, and I'll look into these guys you mentioned.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 10:07:15 am
What wookie said. We must transform these sensitive children into real men.

its the only way they will learn.

also okin mad.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Xant on August 10, 2011, 10:11:17 am
its the only way they will learn.

also okin mad.

Indeed so my dear friend, it's much like getting rid of phobias. Someone's afraid'a spiders? Make them swim in spiders, then eat spiders for lunch, then drink spiderblood for dinner. After they're done, they'll either be real Spartans or they'll be dead from shock. Win-win situation.

okin mad.

Today at 07:08:33   Spam/troll   +23
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 10:18:26 am
lawdy, +20% for spamming. The only reasonable deduction is that okin is einstein.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: okiN on August 10, 2011, 10:19:52 am
Newsflash, your opinions don't matter. These do:

No offensive character names. If in doubt about a name, pick another one.

No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing...)

No excessive flaming or trolling, especially not in the "Beginner's Help" subboard.

Protip: "especially" doesn't mean "exclusively". Clean up your act.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Earthdforce on August 10, 2011, 10:21:29 am
Come on, kids play this game..
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Lech on August 10, 2011, 10:30:36 am
okin mad, nobody like cmp anyway.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 12:05:04 pm
well, this didn't seem excessive. chadz constantly trolls the community, excessively so, how bout you go warn him?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: wayyyyyne on August 10, 2011, 12:06:18 pm
Racism is bad, mkay?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Laufknoten on August 10, 2011, 12:09:33 pm
Come on, kids play this game..
Especially on the NA servers. I wouldn't even play there if I was an american... 
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: okiN on August 10, 2011, 12:13:43 pm
well, this didn't seem excessive. chadz constantly trolls the community, excessively so, how bout you go warn him?

If you don't want to take chances, best not troll at all. It's come down from the top that we're to crack down on this kind of nonsense more from now on -- there'll probably be an announcement about it sometime soon. Apparently overlooking certain things has given some people the wrong idea about what kind of behavior is acceptable here, so we're going to have to correct those misperceptions. chadz doesn't want this turning into the TaleWorlds forum.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: darmaster on August 10, 2011, 12:25:13 pm
Well since this is the SUGGESTIONS CORNER, i say this game could use some more racism.  People who get offended are as much to blame as offenders.  Words have no power when we refuse to give them power over us.



LOL
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Barbas on August 10, 2011, 12:30:46 pm
If you're wanting to play in a more civilized environment, I suggest sticking to the NA Community (the ATS-run) servers.

I only have experience with siege, but the admins are on frequently and do a great of enforcing rules, including no racism.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 01:16:28 pm
If you don't want to take chances, best not troll at all. It's come down from the top that we're to crack down on this kind of nonsense more from now on -- there'll probably be an announcement about it sometime soon. Apparently overlooking certain things has given some people the wrong idea about what kind of behavior is acceptable here, so we're going to have to correct those misperceptions. chadz doesn't want this turning into the TaleWorlds forum.

oh, chadz mad?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Mihilist on August 10, 2011, 02:03:49 pm
Wait, are you saying that racism should not hurt, and should not be discouraged?

Looks pretty silly trying to prevent racism while accepting bigotry.  For the record, I'm not offended personally by either.  A quick search on this forum for "bundle of sticks" and it's 6 pages of results with 155 posts.  That's not including whatever derivative of "bundle of sticks" others would use.

I'm all in favor of being nice to all peoples across the board, seems a lot of people are excluding that segment of the population that same courtesy.

My .02
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on August 10, 2011, 02:38:28 pm
LoL first this is not the suggestion corner.

and i have noticed it aswell that many player names or jokes are pretty racist..

i also saw many chocolate chip cookies (for example having SS in their name or giving fachist comments).

the rules should be modifyed that racism and fachism should be forbidden aswell as leeching or bug using..

PS: (communism too. its the worst) :P
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 03:04:06 pm
You shouldn't take internet seriously. If someone insults you, why would you care? A random person on a game typed in a few letters, and that should make you cry? Think about it. They can say everything they want here. If they were in real life, it would probally change, but you shouldn't take it seriously here.
While i do agree about the serious racism there, just leave. Go find a other server. If you're not content with every community on every server, leave. Play something else if that doesn't hurt you.
HOWEVER, if there are indeed 3 guys who changed their names to something insulting, then yes, they are only here to ruin the other players fun. They should be banned indeed.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spartan793 on August 10, 2011, 03:08:57 pm
Well since this is the SUGGESTIONS CORNER, i say this game could use some more racism.  People who get offended are as much to blame as offenders.  Words have no power when we refuse to give them power over us.

You fucking serious?
Ive never agreed with much you've said but this is a downright stupid remark, you can't condone racism and blame the offendee for getting bothered by these remarks.
Its not fair that you say he just learn to live with it
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 03:10:33 pm
You fucking serious?
Ive never agreed with much you've said but this is a downright stupid remark, you can't condone racism and blame the offendee for getting bothered by these remarks.
Its not fair that you say he just learn to live with it

u mad?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: MrShine on August 10, 2011, 03:11:23 pm
You shouldn't take internet seriously. If someone insults you, why would you care? A random person on a game typed in a few letters, and that should make you cry? Think about it. They can say everything they want here. If they were in real life, it would probally change, but you shouldn't take it seriously here.
While i do agree about the serious racism there, just leave. Go find a other server. If you're not content with every community on every server, leave. Play something else if that doesn't hurt you.

I'm in agreement with the OP.   Not a lot bugs me on the internet, but I find racism and general bigotry insulting.  It's not going to make me stop playing or start to cry, but it will make me report it to admins in game whenever I see it.

I don't know why people are defending it.  It shouldn't be tolerated in a public setting.  Sure if you're with some buddies joke around for lolz in vent or whatever, I don't care. 
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spartan793 on August 10, 2011, 03:12:30 pm
u mad?

You racist?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: okiN on August 10, 2011, 03:13:54 pm
They can say everything they want here.

That's where you're wrong. We have those rules for a reason.

While i do agree about the serious racism there, just leave. Go find a other server.

Bad advice. Instead: take screenshots and post a ban request in the correct board.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 03:16:37 pm
You racist?

you are being incredible insensitive towards my insensitivity. I can't help how i am, i was born that way.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spartan793 on August 10, 2011, 03:19:22 pm
you are being incredible insensitive towards my insensitivity. I can't help how i am, i was born that way.

 :|
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 03:21:15 pm
That's where you're wrong. We have those rules for a reason.

Bad advice. Instead: take screenshots and post a ban request in the correct board.

I guess i didn't explain myself enough :/.

 I was meaning general lines, people just making fun.

If there are a group of 3 people especially changing their names to insulting ones, there to troll/be a racist especially, then yes, they should be banned. They are only here to ruin the other players fun.

I was explaining if a single guy did it.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Nihtgenga on August 10, 2011, 03:23:37 pm
I feel you man. I think that because "some" are mentally as soft as newborns we should be a carebear community. If you get hurt by racism, you've lived a too sheltered life. Go out more. Or do something wild online. Like take part in some conversations on 4chan. After that you can say you've truly been alive. Life's a laugh bro, why waste it being insulted?

what do you know about racism to tell other people not to get hurt by it.
racism should offend you either personally or in your moral beliefs, if it doesnt, something is very wrong with you.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 03:34:34 pm
what do you know about racism to tell other people not to get hurt by it.
racism should offend you either personally or in your moral beliefs, if it doesnt, something is very wrong with you.
People should be wise enough that the opinions by strangers/anonymous people are to be taken very lightly.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 03:35:13 pm
Well hell, I guess I am going to be nominated for Admin Abuse first on NA if reading these replies properly represent the community...

Regardless of your opinion, any and all racist names (and offensive ones) will be banned on all NA_Officials. If you don't like it, find another place to play. The rules are pretty clear on this. These servers are not your personal play grounds, they are a shared public place.

If you can not conduct yourselves in public like this, why should it be different in an online public place either?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Nihtgenga on August 10, 2011, 03:36:57 pm
People should be wise enough that the opinions by strangers/anonymous people are to be taken very lightly.

and your point is?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 03:39:05 pm
and your point is?

If people are offending you on a game, you shouldn't be hurt by it. They are just saying it to hurt you, MOST OF THE TIME.

If they do want a serious discussion, then you can argue with them.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Nihtgenga on August 10, 2011, 03:45:06 pm
well racism in RL mostly is there just to hurt you aswell. and you wouldnt tolerate it. so why here?

again. how can you as bystanders tell someone, who might has been or is confronted with racism not to get hurt by it? I dont get it.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spartan793 on August 10, 2011, 03:45:26 pm
If people are offending you on a game, you shouldn't be hurt by it. They are just saying it to hurt you, MOST OF THE TIME.

Its not as simple as that though for some people

And i like how all the anti-racism comments are getting -1's...
Theres clearly some massive hidden racists in this community.... and im white and it still bothers me

Edit: Scrath that, it seems its just CountBerenger... racist fuck
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 03:48:37 pm
well racism in RL mostly is there just to hurt you aswell. and you wouldnt tolerate it. so why here?

again. how can you as bystanders tell someone, who might has been or is confronted with racism not to get hurt by it? I dont get it.

You do have a point there.

But, don't care about it. Yes, you can argue with it if you have been confronted with it, but they are not going to change their opinion, unless they want a serious discussion and misunderstood/thought differently about it. On the internet, it's different. They don't care at all. Learn to not care, on the internet, against people who are just there to ruin others players fun.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 03:51:02 pm
You do have a point there.

But, don't care about it. Yes, you can argue with it if you have been confronted with it, but they are not going to change their opinion, unless they want a serious discussion and misunderstood/thought differently about it. On the internet, it's different. They don't care at all.

The beautiful thing is, if you report them, they get muted/banned/etc. You don't have to argue back.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Rikthor on August 10, 2011, 03:52:36 pm
Looks pretty silly trying to prevent racism while accepting bigotry.  For the record, I'm not offended personally by either.  A quick search on this forum for "bundle of sticks" and it's 6 pages of results with 155 posts.  That's not including whatever derivative of "bundle of sticks" others would use.

I'm all in favor of being nice to all peoples across the board, seems a lot of people are excluding that segment of the population that same courtesy.

My .02

Bringing this point back up since it hasn't been addressed. I am genuinely curious why there is a zero tolerance policy on racism, but homophobia seems to be perfectly accepted. I have yet to see any admin or dev even so much as comment on it. As a member of a clan that is open to both homosexual and transgendered persons, it is sad to see the "authority" of the community completely ignore a group and the hate that gets thrown their way.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 03:53:26 pm
The beautiful thing is, if you report them, they get muted/banned/etc. You don't have to argue back.

If they are players who are just there to troll/insult people, yes.

If someone is being racist against someone else, just to show their opinion, that's different.

A example is: "Archers are my old friends/easy to play/unskilled"

That's their opinion, that's what they think. You can argue about it, they didn't say that to hurt you.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 03:54:56 pm
If they are players who are just there to troll/insult people, yes.

If someone is being racist against someone else, just to show their opinion, that's different.

No, I am pretty sure regardless of if they are doing it to troll, or if it is their valid opinion, they will still get the same mute/ban regardless, and either way you don't have to argue back.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Spartan793 on August 10, 2011, 03:56:27 pm
If they are players who are just there to troll/insult people, yes.

If someone is being racist against someone else, just to show their opinion, that's different.

A example is: "Archers are my old friends/easy to play/unskilled"

That's their opinion, that's what they think. You can argue about it, they didn't say that to hurt you.

Thats not racism, an archer is not a race
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 03:59:31 pm
I pretty much made an epic fail here. I was thinking about opinions/trolling in general, not in racism. :l

Racism should indeed be banned, since it's only there to hurt people.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 10, 2011, 04:02:06 pm
Thats not racism, an archer is not a race
So far over your head you didn't even hear it fly by.

P.s. Calling people/things bundle of stickss, and other ways of insulting things is just as much against the rules as racism is.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 04:04:01 pm
So far over your head you didn't even hear it fly by.

P.s. Calling people/things bundle of stickss, and other ways of insulting things is just as much against the rules as racism is.

There is a difference between insulting people and saying your opinion, but most of the cases it are those 2 combined.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 10, 2011, 04:16:16 pm
There is a difference between insulting people and saying your opinion, but most of the cases it are those 2 combined.
What does it being an opinion have to do with this? What logic are you trying to say?
"I think you're a bundle of sticks." vs "You're a bundle of sticks."
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 04:23:41 pm
What does it being an opinion have to do with this? What logic are you trying to say?
"I think you're a bundle of sticks." vs "You're a bundle of sticks."

Nevermind about my argument. When you are in-game you never want to start a discussion anyways, so everytime it's just to hurt someone. In the forums it's different though. Mostly in the balancing, when people disagree in something. For example "Your a bundle of sticks if you think x weapons is under/over -powered". It's his opinion.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 04:44:24 pm
lol, 4 pages already, trolls win. nice job guys.

Here is a short help for those of you who do not know how to interact with trolls.
When somebody says or does something offensive online, its often not because they believe or stand behind those things, its because they want a reaction.

Like a small child whose parents both work full time, they seek attention, be it negative or positive attention. By making a big deal out of it, you are in fact giving them that attention, even if they get warned and what not. And like that small child, they receive the attention and thus they believe that if they keep this up, they will continuously be rewarded with attention. Therefore, your best bet is just to ignore them and not feed the trolls. By making a big deal you are in fact feeding the trolls. This thread should sustain them for one or two hours alone.

By using the word attention 20 times, i hope i have made the point clear.

So now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Yugop on August 10, 2011, 04:50:58 pm
In this particular case, since it's obvious those guys are actually looking for a ban, they should be banned all right. I mean if they wanted to troll and get away with it, they would have been more sneaky. Not "lol we hate blackz lololol".
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Polobow on August 10, 2011, 04:51:43 pm
(click to show/hide)

This is so true. People need to learn to avoid trolls. Just report immediatly without response.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: vinnytk on August 10, 2011, 04:51:51 pm
I got on EU_3 yesterday and was called a "friend" :(
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 04:52:59 pm
You only used attention six times not twenty... Liar.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Baggy on August 10, 2011, 05:02:29 pm
You only used attention six times not twenty... Liar.
Wooki uses a special system of counting.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Duerkos on August 10, 2011, 05:05:32 pm
When I was admin of some game, I handled this trolls keeping them alive... until they hit a high level (let's say 30). Then they're banned.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Gorath on August 10, 2011, 05:07:36 pm
Another 5 page thread showing the extreme lack of morals and intelligence plaguing the (gaming) community.
Herf derf racizm iz kewl.  umadbro.  lol I made someone mad, he's stupid.  hurf derf.  defending racizm iz kewl. hurr durr

This is what happens when an entire generation doesn't beat their kids like they should have.  Rampant douchewaddery.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 10, 2011, 05:17:14 pm
This is what happens when an entire generation doesn't beat their kids like they should have.  Rampant douchewaddery.

you are trolling?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Gorath on August 10, 2011, 05:21:03 pm
you are trolling?

Nope.  Too many kids weren't smacked in the mouth for being a fuckwad growing up.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Oberyn on August 10, 2011, 05:22:07 pm
Nope.  Too many kids weren't smacked in the mouth for being a fuckwad growing up.

Agreed. Well to be fair the vast majority would never dare to voice these retarded opinions in public/in person. The net is a different medium, and there is some truth in the idea that trying to fight back against shadenfreude obsessed psychopaths and general idiocy/trolling is a sysiphean task. Thankfully though the cRPG servers aren't set adrift on the general nets, it's a privately owned piece, and we have rules and enforcers for a reason.
Don't even bother arguing with them on the servers, that's valid advice. But if they really piss you off (only jaded cunts, cynics and vets of internet game+forums will really let it pass by with a shrug) then take a pic and get em banned.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Gheritarish le Loki on August 10, 2011, 05:43:15 pm
Nope.  Too many kids weren't smacked in the mouth for being a fuckwad growing up.

Does that mean violence is the only possible education for children?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Oberyn on August 10, 2011, 05:52:22 pm
I'm not a parent actually so I shouldn't presume to understand it, but as far as boys go, yeah, I think an element of "violence" ( but really mostly the threat of pain) can be a positive influence. Not saying it's impossible to properly raise a kid without ever raising your hand to it, or threatening to, though.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: TurmoilTom on August 10, 2011, 07:16:38 pm
Apparently McGrittles is Black_Man_1

He was talking about it in The Kingdom of Haven TS. I may be a Haven member, but I'm definitely not condoning this.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: AzureSkys on August 10, 2011, 07:27:06 pm
I heard Bill Cosby discuss this recently. Kids 20/30 years ago acted like punks but still feared authority. Kids nowadays don't and retaliate against authority be it from parents, educators, law enforcement or whatever in increasing violent ways. Recently in my area a home was burned down killing 2 little boys because the dad acted out against gang activity. There's always been rebellion against authority. I think what was once abnormal is now the normal starting point for hatred or violence.

Anyways... in my viewpoint you either contribute or negate problems. The Golden Rule is the best policy, following that is ignoring stupid people and not giving them the attention they seek. I don't think a lot of racist text and behavior that is seen in the internets is really true, rather it's a means to do something offensive and edgy that folks do wantonly. Same goes for bad words, sexism, explicitness and vulgarity... all intent on offending and provoking argument to get reactions out of people with the internet being the easiest way to do so.

Kind of like how the wise Alfred said "some men just want to watch the world burn". Some kids build stuff with Lego, others destroy stuff built with Lego which is quite easy to do. It's easy to think of an offensive joke or slur. Everyone knows that's something that will get a reaction. The internet medium makes it even easier to spill out those thoughts.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Elindor on August 10, 2011, 07:33:50 pm
Another 5 page thread showing the extreme lack of morals and intelligence plaguing the (gaming) community.
Herf derf racizm iz kewl.  umadbro.  lol I made someone mad, he's stupid.  hurf derf.  defending racizm iz kewl. hurr durr

This is what happens when an entire generation doesn't beat their kids like they should have.  Rampant douchewaddery.

+1 Gorath........+1

Trolling is the in thing to do, didnt you know?....it also means people are just bored and should stop playing games and do something else a bit.

I love this:
General response to chat in public servers:

Player 1 : "Man, I can't get a modifier tonight to save my life"
Troll(s):  "Learn2Play, stop sucking..."
Player 1:  "Um, I mean I'm 2nd on my team...."
Troll(s):  "Get to flag, don't be a killwhore, etc"
Player 1: "I was the last person on the flag all last map...."
Troll(s):  "umad?"  "hemad"

.....this kinda stuff makes baby jesus sad.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Smoothrich on August 10, 2011, 07:40:07 pm
I banned two people with the KKK tag yesterday.  KKK_Sand_N**** and KKK_KKK.  Their account names are Sunshine and Glitter (heh).  I banned them both for 5 days, if anyone wants to upgrade it to permanent be my guest.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 07:51:17 pm
If it was soley for the account names then it might as well be permanent until they do a namechange and post a request for an unban.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Smoothrich on August 10, 2011, 07:54:23 pm
Well it was clear they created alts just to spam chat with racism, which is what they were doing.  I didn't see a Black Man or w/e this Haven guy did or I would've banned him too.  Due to the negative attention this thread has gotten, I think an upgrade to permaban until an apology essay  about Why Racism is Bad gets posted is in order.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Kuhparnicuhs on August 10, 2011, 08:02:07 pm
This is the problem with the internet, since people are granted anonymity they can practice their juvenile and dumb humor with very slight consequence. Which is exactly why the only people who scream these things on the streets are either brainwashed or psychopaths.

Edit: Berenger I can see your vote.. Dumbass.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Smoothrich on August 10, 2011, 08:05:26 pm
I can't seem to be capable of upgrading bans to permanent, so I made you all banned for a month, pending apologies!  In the form of a properly formatted essay about why the KKK was wrong, and how racism is still a problem in american society, of course.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Turkhammer on August 10, 2011, 08:12:11 pm
Another 5 page thread showing the extreme lack of morals and intelligence plaguing the (gaming) community.
Herf derf racizm iz kewl.  umadbro.  lol I made someone mad, he's stupid.  hurf derf.  defending racizm iz kewl. hurr durr

This is what happens when an entire generation doesn't beat their kids like they should have.  Rampant douchewaddery.

+2, I'm with you there Gorath
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Kuhparnicuhs on August 10, 2011, 08:16:51 pm
Actually people who were subject to abuse as children have been proven more likely to commit acts of violence as adults, it's been proven, scientifically. In a scientific way. With science.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Oberyn on August 10, 2011, 08:21:27 pm
I'd say there's a difference between "abuse" and getting a smack on the bottom, no? Or is any form of violence considered "abuse" in this study?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Christo on August 10, 2011, 08:26:58 pm
I'd say there's a difference between "abuse" and getting a smack on the bottom, no?

Indeed.

When I did some stupid crap, I mean REALLY, REALLY stupid things as a little kid, I got a few slaps, and.. well some of you might think this is abusing, but I had to make order on my Cupboard, then my parent threw everything off yelling at me and I had to start it again, and again, AND AGAIN until I literally regret what I've done and promised to not do it again. There were other things but those are not public to anyone.

Of course in the so "civilized" West even this might seem like child abuse, because they're so closed minded.

But at least I'm not an imbecile, like the other young generations, who:

-Don't know their place
-Disrespect anything and anyone
-Living around so narrow minded and dumb/ignorant that even looking at them hurts.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on August 10, 2011, 09:00:11 pm
Oh, it's this thread again.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: polkafranzi on August 10, 2011, 09:10:54 pm
it all makes sense now

(click to show/hide)

Q. Is the OP the oldest player on cRPG?
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Xant on August 10, 2011, 09:18:33 pm
These threads are always hilarious. It never fails to amaze me how fragile some people are. Also, getting away with racism IRL is a no-brainer. Anyone stupid enough to be stupid is stupid enough to get smacked, y'know? People can be all brave and shit on the internets but not as many are willing to stand up for their... um.. beliefs in the Great Outside.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Mentlegen on August 10, 2011, 09:19:40 pm
I take the blame for all of this, me and my friend are sorry. We were running around with the KKK tag on as a joke. We are truly sorry if we offended anyone and would like to get unbanned from the LLJK server. Only me and my friend were involved, the other people who used the black man tag or whatever it was used it to play along, they should not get in trouble for any of this. I am apologizing sincerely and am promising this will never happen again. We just saw the helmet in the armor section and thought it looked like a KKK item, so we were off. We know we conducted ourselves in a immature way and will never do this again, we are not racist. We know we offended some people and are truly sorry. Not that it helps, but the name was KKK_SandNergo (not SandN****r). The KKK was an evil and wrong clan of racists which should not have done what they did. Everyone deserves equal rights and a good life. Sorry again.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: polkafranzi on August 10, 2011, 09:21:57 pm
not as many are willing to stand up for their... um.. beliefs in the Great Outside.

like einstein
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Christo on August 10, 2011, 09:23:08 pm
cept einstein

Haha. Dude, if I'd have a Country under my command, I could tell everybody to shut the fuck up and admire my opinion.

Rite?

That example of yours is just wrong, it's an extremity.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Xant on August 10, 2011, 09:27:14 pm
like einstein

What
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 09:28:16 pm
What

You just read Godwin's law of "I ran out of intelligent things to say."
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Nihtgenga on August 10, 2011, 09:35:01 pm
People can be all brave and shit on the internets but not as many are willing to stand up for their... um.. beliefs in the Great Outside.

I laughed so much reading this.
because thats the first thing which came to my mind when I first read posts by you on this forum :D
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Xant on August 10, 2011, 09:47:32 pm
I laughed so much reading this.
because thats the first thing which came to my mind when I first read posts by you on this forum :D

Hahaha! That is so funny!  :D
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Panoply on August 10, 2011, 09:48:45 pm
Racism sucks and deserves to be met with ostracism. However, from a legal point of view, I don't like hate speech laws, and feel that law enforcement should have nothing to do with censoring racist people. I believe that doing so implies that the concepts of tolerance and acceptance cannot stand on their own in the marketplace of ideas against racism and bigotry without the force of government and justice system to rectify the imbalance. This is not the case, and racism should be met with social consequences, not legal ones.

All this said, as an admin of official NA servers, I'm not here to uphold the Constitution, I'm here to try and maintain a fun environment in which we can all enjoy playing Warband and the c-rpg mod, so excessive racism and bigotry will be punished.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Nihtgenga on August 10, 2011, 09:51:47 pm
Hahaha! That is so funny!  :D

it is, isnt it. called authenticity I believe.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Xant on August 10, 2011, 09:52:55 pm
it is, isnt it. called authenticity I believe.

I believe that's also the name.... of your MOTHER.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Nihtgenga on August 10, 2011, 09:53:45 pm
I believe that's also the name.... of your MOTHER.

you set the "..." all wrong there
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Elindor on August 10, 2011, 09:57:36 pm
I take the blame for all of this, me and my friend are sorry. We were running around with the KKK tag on as a joke. We are truly sorry if we offended anyone and would like to get unbanned from the LLJK server. Only me and my friend were involved, the other people who used the black man tag or whatever it was used it to play along, they should not get in trouble for any of this. I am apologizing sincerely and am promising this will never happen again. We just saw the helmet in the armor section and thought it looked like a KKK item, so we were off. We know we conducted ourselves in a immature way and will never do this again, we are not racist. We know we offended some people and are truly sorry. Not that it helps, but the name was KKK_SandNergo (not SandN****r). The KKK was an evil and wrong clan of racists which should not have done what they did. Everyone deserves equal rights and a good life. Sorry again.

did everyone miss this?  everyone keeps posting and no one has mentioned this lolz
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 10:26:06 pm
did everyone miss this?  everyone keeps posting and no one has mentioned this lolz

I ignored it since the LLJK texas battle server is different from the Official servers, so I skipped over it once I read it. It was also substantially smaller before the edit.

If it was an unban request in the unban forum I probably would have read the whole thing  :P
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: moralshadow on August 10, 2011, 10:40:29 pm
 This got out of hand, too fast. I was bored so I figured "Hey, let's check out that thread", 7 pages even though they apologized and the admins stated the rules? At which point will people realize I was not personally offended? I just know how it feels to be sensitive to a certain subject, everyone does.

 While I am not prejudice against racism, as there is always an explanation, I am prejudice against the people who are not themselves racist but throw coal in the fire to keep it going. I am a white man, in no way have I been bothered by racism, except I've seen others extremely hurt who were friends.

 Who would come up and announce they were hurt in-game? To be told a million times to get over it, stop "crying". Few people offer sympathy online now, just because you are behind a monitor and feel invincible, doesn't mean you should try to hurt someone through this medium.

 Anyone who has gamed for 15 years or over knows the drastic change with the gaming community. Sites like 4chan sprang up, poisoned most of the populace. It used to be just the kids that caused issues, and littles ones at that, but now adults are child-like.

 Is it low self esteem? That's personally what I think, you have to have pretty low esteem to constantly spout those memes which can offend others. Creativity is down the hole, players feel far too much pride for their ingame skill when mechanically it is not difficult, just takes time. This thread is proof that racism is propelled by community, look at everyone defending racist remarks, saying they'd like to see "more of it", because being different makes them feel special.

 There is no gold star sticker for dicking around with the emotions of your peers. Go to therapy, boost your esteem, and then comeback with a better/relaxed attitude, but not so lax that you'll condone the neglect of emotions.

 I'm requesting this thread be closed, as it's useless. The replies will be varied, but somewhat black and white, pun intended. Of course, overrun with the "wise" people who mindlessly follow the idea that they are mentally mature for being so advanced on racism. Words are just words, then how do they cause fights, murder, suicide? These guys are more like mental midgets, being an adult is the last thing on their mind.

 You're going to force "philosophy" on a game, sitting behind a desk on a squeaky chair? Get over yourself, think about the common good. Instead of thinking "they're wrong", open your mind up and realize that they have reasons to be upset.  Look at all these posters who were over privileged and apparently never get mentally hurt.
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 10, 2011, 10:42:02 pm
While I am not prejudice against racism

this makes my brain creak
Title: Re: Racism
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2011, 10:42:42 pm
Bottom left, click lock.