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Off Topic => Spam => Topic started by: Gorath on August 02, 2011, 07:29:18 am

Title: Sure is nice
Post by: Gorath on August 02, 2011, 07:29:18 am
To see the "official" NA servers running smoothly....


OWAIT, they're not there anymore!

Somehow this seems very unsurprising and almost as if many many people could say "I told you so" if they felt so inclined.....
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 07:30:21 am
To see the "official" NA servers running smoothly....


OWAIT, they're not there anymore!

Somehow this seems very unsurprising and almost as if many many people could say "I told you so" if they felt so inclined.....
Sounds as if they're moving to the home of half of our other servers..chicago.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 07:36:11 am
To see the "official" NA servers running smoothly....


OWAIT, they're not there anymore!

Somehow this seems very unsurprising and almost as if many many people could say "I told you so" if they felt so inclined.....

Someone tried to update them and broke the OS...

Regardless, they will be back soon, and yes they are being moved from Dallas to Chicago too.

For anyone who is about to say "I told you so" stop spreading rumours, nothing has happened, shush.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: POOPHAMMER on August 02, 2011, 07:38:19 am
Sounds like Gorath got his panties wet in anticipation for nothing
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Gorath on August 02, 2011, 07:38:57 am
they are being moved from Dallas to Chicago too.

Retarded decision.  Oh look, lets make them have the same ping as the servers that were already there.  Leave them in Dallas so the ping is better than 100.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Ylca on August 02, 2011, 07:39:03 am
To see the "official" NA servers running smoothly....


OWAIT, they're not there anymore!

Somehow this seems very unsurprising and almost as if many many people could say "I told you so" if they felt so inclined.....

Speaking of smooth running servers, it's sad to see servers stuttering at barely 60 players. Can't wait to see the officials back up, the "community" servers seem to be having a few issues at the moment
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 07:40:06 am
Retarded decision.  Oh look, lets make them have the same ping as the servers that were already there.  Leave them in Dallas so the ping is better than 100.

I do agree that a central location in a city that does not have an over-worked fiber-optic system would have been a better choice then moving them to said over-worked city... that is not in a central location...
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Espu on August 02, 2011, 07:42:09 am
Official NA server operating system encountered a semi-fatal destruction-incident. Support tickets are in at the provider and we hope to have the server back asap.

Nothing to do with Zealot being the one handling the payments.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Jacko on August 02, 2011, 07:44:46 am
Nerd rage more.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 07:47:47 am
Regardless, they will be back soon, and yes they are being moved from Dallas to Chicago too.
Is there at least a reason for the change? I mean, at least in my head, there are wayy more reasons to stay in Dallas than move to Chicago.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 07:48:31 am
I do agree that a central location in a city that does not have an over-worked fiber-optic system would have been a better choice then moving them to said over-worked city... that is not in a central location...

"Over-worked fiber-optic system" ...

Anyway, putting aside the fact that this isn't a series of tubes that get cluttered and we have to use Drain-O to clean the internet tubes out, someone run ten or so tracerts from California on different providers, to Chicago, then do it in Edmonton, Alberta, then in Dallas, Texas. Once that's done, do all the same tests, and run it into a Texas server from the InterNAP bandwidth network, and tell me about equality, and central locations.

I don't want to sound mean here, so I'm going to stop fucking talking.

Yes, the servers had a semi-fatal operating system error, the developers and the server provider are working asap to bring them back online, sorry for the inconvenience.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 07:56:26 am
"Over-worked fiber-optic system" ...

Anyway, putting aside the fact that this isn't a series of tubes that get cluttered and we have to use Drain-O to clean the internet tubes out, someone run ten or so tracerts from California on different providers, to Chicago, then do it in Edmonton, Alberta, then in Dallas, Texas. Once that's done, do all the same tests, and run it into a Texas server from the InterNAP bandwidth network, and tell me about equality, and central locations.

I don't want to sound mean here, so I'm going to stop fucking talking.

Yes, the servers had a semi-fatal operating system error, the developers and the server provider are working asap to bring them back online, sorry for the inconvenience.

I am fully aware that no drain-o is involved, but the more "traffic" there is past a point the less priority your crap gets through. A common example is your bitching high fast internet when no one is using it, and a slightly slower upload/download speed when everyone is using it during "peak hours" for your community. Alternatively, look at how if a phone line is overused you can crash an entire section of the city for phones, such as when the idiot pop radio station near me was offering free Justin Bieber tickets... Smooth... The physical lines can take it but the system can not. You can shove as much shit down a fiber-optic line and it will not require draino, but once it gets to the end you better have something ready to interpret it all otherwise you get interesting results.

I am not talking about literally the fiber-optic cables, I said "system" which includes the servers and such, the whole entire "system."

But yes, if the whole thing runs smoothly then I will be happy.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 08:00:00 am
The entirety of the point of creation of advanced network infrastructure's and the entire point of data centre's is we can run hundreds of servers in one place consuming massive piles of bandwidth in a super organized advanced state of upload.

We're not hosting this through Verizon's FiberOptic family plan in my closet, as Gorath wants to believe, although I'd love the ping, I wouldn't be able to get industrial fiber networks.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on August 02, 2011, 08:09:40 am
So is it moving to Chicago or not? If it is, I don't see the point in playing on it. I'll get the same shit ping as every other server there. At least with the 100 man server, I don't have to play on 50 random village with hills maps.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Zorato on August 02, 2011, 08:19:26 am
So is it moving to Chicago or not? If it is, I don't see the point in playing on it. I'll get the same shit ping as every other server there. At least with the 100 man server, I don't have to play on 50 random village with hills maps.

ok
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Gorath on August 02, 2011, 08:42:47 am
I don't have to play on 50 random village with hills maps.

Archers
Cav

Bias?
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Lorn on August 02, 2011, 08:50:16 am
Archers
Cav

Bias?

Go back to being nice, you were more lovable that way!  :oops: :oops: :oops:
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Gorath on August 02, 2011, 08:55:12 am
Go back to being nice, you were more lovable that way!  :oops: :oops: :oops:

I am being nice though?  Just made a thread in order to get a response as to why the hell the servers were missing.  And it worked.  So yay for me.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 08:56:12 am
If you're concerned about your ping, open Command Prompt, and type "tracert 216.52.148.5", if you think you have an abnormally high response time during the tracert, PM me.

e: Using EckoAirith's servers and whatever data centre he seems to be using, is not an accurate benchmark.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: a_bear_irl on August 02, 2011, 09:44:41 am
at least according to tracert i get a better ping to chicago then i do to dallas, and i've been yelling at zealot about the move since i heard about it
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Glyph on August 02, 2011, 09:57:24 am
Official NA server operating system encountered a semi-fatal destruction-incident. Support tickets are in at the provider and we hope to have the server back asap.

Nothing to do with Zealot being the one handling the payments.
zealot just kept the money for himself and now the servers are shutting down :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Lorn on August 02, 2011, 10:07:09 am
zealot just kept the money for himself and now the servers are shutting down :mrgreen:

Naturally...
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: tankmen on August 02, 2011, 10:08:23 am
moving to chic- BULLSHIT! o well least i get 40 ping on my server in texas...
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Zorato on August 02, 2011, 10:09:34 am
zealot just kept the money for himself and now the servers are shutting down :mrgreen:

you're dumb
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 10:10:27 am
If you're concerned about your ping, open Command Prompt, and type "tracert 216.52.148.5", if you think you have an abnormally high response time during the tracert, PM me.

e: Using EckoAirith's servers and whatever data centre he seems to be using, is not an accurate benchmark.
We already have enough popular servers in chicago imo. What's the harm in keeping them in Dallas? You don't have to make everyone play on your servers. I believe it'd be better to give the community more choices.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: tankmen on August 02, 2011, 10:13:22 am
We already have enough popular servers in chicago imo. What's the harm in keeping them in Dallas? You don't have to make everyone play on your servers. I believe it'd be better to give the community more choices.
who chose this? was it the EU dev guys? are they making it easier on them when they play strat on our servers ?!?!  :lol:
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: LLJK_Korea1 on August 02, 2011, 10:13:26 am
this thread is dumb
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 10:16:16 am
zealot just kept the money for himself and now the servers are shutting down :mrgreen:

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Can't, I know, it sucks.

If you're concerned about your ping, open Command Prompt, and type "tracert 216.52.148.5", if you think you have an abnormally high response time during the tracert, PM me.

moving to chic- BULLSHIT! o well least i get 40 ping on my server in texas...

Do that, PM results.

We already have enough popular servers in chicago imo. What's the harm in keeping them in Dallas? You don't have to make everyone play on your servers. I believe it'd be better to give the community more choices.

That's nice, keep in mind Strategus is used on these servers, and as I've stressed before I'd rather have a mainstream equal provider where everything can share in good response times, happy go lucky latency, and jolly good ping. User servers are open to be wherever they want as far as I know, have some of them be in Dallas, and go play on them.

who chose this? was it the EU dev guys? are they making it easier on them when they play strat on our servers ?!?!  :lol:

I made the decision, pitched it to that big boss guy I answer too, and he gave me a green light, so I'm doing it.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: SeQuel on August 02, 2011, 10:23:16 am
I actually get 10 less ping. DO IT ZEALOT, DO IT FOR ME.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 02, 2011, 11:05:24 am
:( RIP dallas hosted awesome servers
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Dooz on August 02, 2011, 11:15:49 am
Well, it was a nice week while it lasted. But the change from pinging in the 40's or 50's to now 80's was significant enough that I don't think I can keep up anymore. Ballsucker noob to begin with, so I'll probably just sulk back to sp where it's easier.  :|
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 11:35:47 am
keep in mind Strategus is used on these servers, and as I've stressed before I'd rather have a mainstream equal provider where everything can share in good response times, happy go lucky latency, and jolly good ping. User servers are open to be wherever they want as far as I know, have some of them be in Dallas, and go play on them.
As I recall chadz mentioned possibly having multiple strategus servers for both NA and EU, why not keep the current one in Dallas and have another one in Chicago(paid for by someone else)?
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 12:02:24 pm
Fun fact, the difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds, and the average time it takes to blink your eye is about 400-500 milliseconds.

Everyone who's worked in networking is laughing at all of you right now.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Jacko on August 02, 2011, 12:12:10 pm
Err.. What? There is a fairly big difference having 30 and having 70 ping, especially in twitch based games like this. Half a second is a good chunk of time if you ask me. But whatever, I'm sure you had your reasons.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Glyph on August 02, 2011, 12:23:56 pm
Fun fact, the difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds, and the average time it takes to blink your eye is about 400-500 milliseconds.

Everyone who's worked in networking is laughing at all of you right now.
in a blink of an eye siiem can kill you if you don't watch out in a duel against him.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Jacko on August 02, 2011, 12:26:13 pm
Berethorn, really, your best blink of an eye "argument" was Siiem...?

Christ..
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Glyph on August 02, 2011, 12:28:51 pm
Berethorn, really, your best blink of an eye "argument" was Siiem...?

Christ..
rofl
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 02, 2011, 12:34:12 pm
Fun fact, the difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds, and the average time it takes to blink your eye is about 400-500 milliseconds.

Everyone who's worked in networking is laughing at all of you right now.

difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds
difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds
difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds
difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: LLJK_Korea1 on August 02, 2011, 12:39:07 pm
I think you spergs are taking this game a bit too seriously.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 02, 2011, 12:42:02 pm
ooh, i only read the first half

Fun fact, the difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds, and the average time it takes to blink your eye is about 400-500 milliseconds.

Everyone who's worked in networking is laughing at all of you right now.

the average time it takes to blink your eye is about 400-500 milliseconds
the average time it takes to blink your eye is about 400-500 milliseconds
the average time it takes to blink your eye is about 400-500 milliseconds
the average time it takes to blink your eye is about 400-500 milliseconds
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Zorato on August 02, 2011, 12:43:11 pm
I think you spergs are taking this game a bit too seriously.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Ginosaji on August 02, 2011, 12:44:19 pm
Everyone who's worked in networking is laughing at all of you right now.

Sorry, but I'm working in networking and right now I'm laughing at you. :D

The difference between a ping of 30ms and a ping of 70ms is exactly 40ms.

You're right with the fact that this short amount of time hardly means any disadvantage, though.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Zorato on August 02, 2011, 12:52:12 pm
I am being nice though?  Just made a thread in order to get a response as to why the hell the servers were missing.  And it worked.  So yay for me.

No, you made this thread in some sort of sarcastic attempt to troll Zealot because his servers were down. It is quite evident in the OP that you weren't looking for an answer to any question but to spark some sort of drama-fest but were promptly shot down.

The community of this mod is so terrible.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Barbas on August 02, 2011, 12:54:47 pm
Quote
difference between 30 ping and 70 is about 400 milliseconds

Err.. he means 40 milliseconds, right?  I assume you guys were mocking him, but I can never tell with this 'internet humor'. 

Unless my 100 ping means I'm behind by a full second.  Which.. hrm, that might explain some things actually  :lol:
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: BADPLAYERold on August 02, 2011, 12:56:08 pm
Everyone complaining about ping is a babby, I usually play on the NA servers and I get anywhere from 130-180 ping on average and I can't tell the difference between that and the 40-80 ping I get on EU servers.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Zorato on August 02, 2011, 12:57:58 pm
Everyone complaining about ping is a babby
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Wookimonsta on August 02, 2011, 01:00:59 pm
how is babby formed?
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Keshian on August 02, 2011, 01:46:15 pm
Great move :).  I actually am in the middle of the country and it drops my ping by 50 going to Chicago, was tired of getting 90+ ping for dallas.  Helps East Coasters too.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 01:47:01 pm
Great move :).  I actually am in the middle of the country and it drops my ping by 50 going to Chicago, was tired of getting 90+ ping for dallas.  Helps East Coasters too.
Yall already have other servers you can play on :\. Selfish New Englanders.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: POOPHAMMER on August 02, 2011, 02:05:41 pm
I live on the east coast and I get good ping on pretty much any US server and even EU servers
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Keshian on August 02, 2011, 02:08:25 pm
Yall already have other servers you can play on :\. Selfish New Englanders.

Not for strategus, where it actually matters.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 02:09:12 pm
Not for strategus, where it actually matters.
As I recall chadz mentioned possibly having multiple strategus servers for both NA and EU, why not keep the current one in Dallas and have another one in Chicago(paid for by someone else)?

Easy solution right theree

EDIT: found the post

A solution could be to set up another EU Strategus server, so that many battles can be fought at prime times. I'm not sure if the current machine can handle this and there probably isn't enough money to set up a new server.
This is planned, for both NA and EU. The difficulty is creating that switch - which is why NA isn't up yet, either.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Ylca on August 02, 2011, 03:09:56 pm
Everyone complaining about ping is a babby, I usually play on the NA servers and I get anywhere from 130-180 ping on average and I can't tell the difference between that and the 40-80 ping I get on EU servers.

That's because contrary to your name you are actually a rather decent player.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 03:11:30 pm
Everyone complaining about ping is a babby, I usually play on the NA servers and I get anywhere from 130-180 ping on average and I can't tell the difference between that and the 40-80 ping I get on EU servers.
That's because contrary to your name you are actually a rather decent player.
Don't forget he's always wearing good armor on a cataphract couching/stabbing his foes.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Gorath on August 02, 2011, 04:53:55 pm
The community of this mod is so terrible.

Coming from a member of the community who's goal is to completely shit on games and their communities.   :rolleyes:

You all think it's me trolling when I say that the community was 1000x better, nicer and friendlier before all the goons showed up but it's just the truth.  The community here was WAY fucking better before ya'll invaded.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Ylca on August 02, 2011, 05:21:30 pm
Coming from a member of the community who's goal is to completely shit on games and their communities.   :rolleyes:

You all think it's me trolling when I say that the community was 1000x better, nicer and friendlier before all the goons showed up but it's just the truth.  The community here was WAY fucking better before ya'll invaded.

Funny so many goons have so many contributions to the balance and suggestions forums, but you're right we're just here to break things and shake babies. Much like any organization there are multiple goals and personalities in LLJK though i can see where one might get the impression of a stonewall of troll, i did myself in the past.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Adam_Bomb on August 02, 2011, 05:30:42 pm
All I know is a get ~80 ping in Dallas and ~20 ping in Chi-town...
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Zorato on August 02, 2011, 06:17:10 pm
Coming from a member of the community who's goal is to completely shit on games and their communities.   :rolleyes:

We release the masses from the suffering that is playing on Ecko's servers with it's absolutely terrible map rotation and bad server performance.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Digglez on August 02, 2011, 06:44:18 pm
Blah I'm in St. Louis which is pretty much exactly between Dallas & Chicago and ping to this chicago server is 20 higher than Dallas.  Tracert actually shows it going down to Dallas before hoping to Chicago.

but for all I know, the ip zealot gave was some FBI server so they'll be kicking in my door any second
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Delro on August 02, 2011, 07:00:18 pm
No, you made this thread in some sort of sarcastic attempt to troll Zealot because his servers were down. It is quite evident in the OP that you weren't looking for an answer to any question but to spark some sort of drama-fest but were promptly shot down.

The community of this mod is so terrible.

Congratulations Gorath! Apparently you are the entirety of the C-RPG community!
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: John on August 02, 2011, 07:03:05 pm
Would you people stop teasing me by moving your servers to Dallas extremely briefly before shutting them down or moving them back to Chicago?  It's really starting to piss me off. 
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: a_bear_irl on August 02, 2011, 07:10:08 pm
Coming from a member of the community who's goal is to completely shit on games and their communities.   :rolleyes:

You all think it's me trolling when I say that the community was 1000x better, nicer and friendlier before all the goons showed up but it's just the truth.  The community here was WAY fucking better before ya'll invaded.

gorath you're an awful fucking poster, ctrlaltdel is worse than you but not by much, jesus christ shut the fuck up

all of your posts are some HURR GOONS BAD but in half of them you brag about how you're an original goon or something, what is wrong with you

goons might troll but at least we post about the game, all you post about is how bad everyone but yourself is.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Miley on August 02, 2011, 07:20:39 pm
Well, goodbye easymode 30s ping. I'll have to play with Chicago ping now, but hopefully it's like TFO server where I got 50s ping instead of the ATS 70s-100s.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: jspook on August 02, 2011, 07:24:22 pm
This move back to chicago sucks.
I was really looking forward to those ofiicials coming back on line, seeing as the Dallas server gave me a sub 30 ping from San Diego.
Oh well.  The week that they were up was actually a really fun experience with the low latency.
Back to 80 ping in Chicago, I guess.

You guys do realize that people pretty much abandoned the chicago servers to play on the Official NA ones when they were in Dallas.... right?  just saying....
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Panoply on August 02, 2011, 07:31:08 pm
Average human reaction time, 215ms.

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/stats.php

However, by no means does that mean humans cannot tell the difference between 0 and 215 ping, or even smaller intervals like 100 or 50. Sometimes the difference can make all the difference. I don't know how fast attacks come at you, or how big of a window you have to block or chamber, but say you have 300 ms to react to an attack, and you have a 200 ms reaction time. A ping of over 100 or under 100 can make all the difference in whether or not you block in time in this case.

Just because you might not be able to consciously "perceive" the difference in ping, it doesn't mean that there is no difference. If you had to slam the brakes on a car, a difference of 50 and 100 "ping" might not be consciously noticeable, but at 55 mph, it means 4 extra feet traveled before stopping, which can make all the difference.

I'm good with the change though. :D
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Seawied on August 02, 2011, 07:42:22 pm
Average human reaction time, 215ms.

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/stats.php

However, by no means does that mean humans cannot tell the difference between 0 and 215 ping, or even smaller intervals like 100 or 50. Sometimes the difference can make all the difference. I don't know how fast attacks come at you, or how big of a window you have to block or chamber, but say you have 300 ms to react to an attack, and you have a 200 ms reaction time. A ping of over 100 or under 100 can make all the difference in whether or not you block in time in this case.

Just because you might not be able to consciously "perceive" the difference in ping, it doesn't mean that there is no difference. If you had to slam the brakes on a car, a difference of 50 and 100 "ping" might not be consciously noticeable, but at 55 mph, it means 4 extra feet traveled before stopping, which can make all the difference.

I'm good with the change though. :D

"Average human" =/= "Average Gamer."


I bet if you did the exact same study among 15-35 year old gamers, the reaction time would be a lot lower.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Miley on August 02, 2011, 07:46:33 pm
0-50 ping is easymode, 50s-60s is good, low 70s is ok, 80 and above sucks - attacks go right through your blocks, impossible to see your feints.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 07:47:35 pm
"Average human" =/= "Average Gamer."


I bet if you did the exact same study among 15-35 year old gamers, the reaction time would be a lot lower.

Yup, my university clocked my physical reaction speed peaking at 140-ish (somewhere between 140 and 150 I forgot) milliseconds. I was 21 at the time. This did not count adrenaline.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Panoply on August 02, 2011, 08:03:19 pm
"Average human" =/= "Average Gamer."

Yup, I would agree. I just gave that figure because I don't know what it would be for the average gamer. It was more to get an sample number to demonstrate my point.

It's also important to note that the test they use is just a "Press button when light turns green" test and so the reaction times for that are probably faster than "Upblock the overhead". I say probably, because with the amount of hours many players have put into this game, that might not be true at all.

Conceivably, one could backward engineer their reaction time in Warband if we knew the typical time windows for blocks, chambers, etc for a given match-up of weapons, wpf, and ath. To use Miley as an example, I'm assuming her reaction time categories correspond to decreasing windows for blocks, such that at 60ms ping she might only miss fast, high wpf, speed bonus attacks on the correct side, and then at some threshold, say 150ms ping, she has trouble blocking even straight up standing attacks from average speed and wpf attacks. If the former condition has a time window of roughly 225ms and the latter has a time window of roughly 300 ms, then we could postulate that her reaction time to Warband is on the order of 150-165 ms.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: AzureSkys on August 02, 2011, 09:17:47 pm
80 and above sucks - attacks go right through your blocks, impossible to see your feints.

That makes me feel better since I sometimes see 70ish ping on the Official servers but 110+ on the ATS ones. I think it's just my rural 1.5mbs down/40kbs up DSL though. Any other Pacific NW folks doing better?

Regarding reaction time, sure it may be an average number higher than ping ms we're talking about. So then folks on low ping connections are reacting in that amount of time relative to each other. However higher ping folks are sort of shifted over and delayed since their initial reaction time comes after the initial reaction time of the low ping fellows.  Sadly it's the hindrance for fast-reaction games on the internet leading to poor global competition.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Gumdrawp on August 02, 2011, 09:19:24 pm
"Average human" =/= "Average Gamer."


I bet if you did the exact same study among 15-35 year old gamers, the reaction time would be a lot lower.

I remember there being a study done at the first CPL i attended by a college student measuring the average reaction time of professional gamers in contrast to the average human reaction time. It had something to do with environmental influences on humans. Most of the people attending to play fps games reactions were between 70-120 ms; iirc the fastest average was ~60 after 25 consecutive tests and that was method. Granted pretty much everyone taking the test had above average reaction times compared to the average gamer, I would say that its safe to assume the average gamer is somewhere between 130-180 ms.

EDIT: On topic, stop whining about the servers going down, from what I understand from this thread its got nothing to do with Zealot personally. It seems like the fuckup was solely caused by some tech dude at the hosting center. And for those of you complaining about the relocation, while texas may be better for some its not for others. All in all chicago is a more central location especially if you include canadian players and not just the US, these are North American servers not US servers.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 09:46:12 pm
Change of plans, I'm moving them to China because it's cheaper.

The servers did not shut down because of the move, in any way shape or form. They shut down due to a semi-fatal OS error, which was fixed by reformatting the entire box. The downtime of the servers due to a switch, would most likely be about an hour, or less considering all you have to do is bring down the old one, and start up the new ones and you're done.

They are not down because of the planned Chicago move, the servers will remain at Dallas for another two weeks.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: POOPHAMMER on August 02, 2011, 09:46:55 pm
Change of plans, I'm moving them to China because it's cheaper.

Thank god
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 09:47:19 pm
Change of plans, I'm moving them to China because it's cheaper.

I support this 100%.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Dooz on August 02, 2011, 10:11:51 pm
The argument that Chicago is a more central, therefore better location for the server, seems counter to the fact that the Dallas server was the only one populated by any real amount of people at any given time the past week I've been around, especially if you consider the fact that there were Chicago servers up concurrently. As far as open and shut cases go, this one seems pretty easy. So there must be some other reason for the move, monetary or otherwise, but hey at least we get another two weeks out of it (or whatever is left of it after it's back up).

Oh, and numbers and maths are fine and dandy, but I know what my experience is with the difference of 30 ping, and it matters. Laugh at me crying.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 02, 2011, 10:12:58 pm
They are not down because of the planned Chicago move, the servers will remain at Dallas for another two weeks.
Thanks.
That chicago move is going to make me a sad panda. I know with your better hosting the chicago will be 90 ping for me, trather than 110 for the ATS chicago servers -- but having 50 ping to dallas matters. The difference is night and day.

I'm someone who crutches on my reaction time being ~110ms, and just let my character play autopilot 95% of the time. I should probably pay attention to the game more than talking in ts/vent...
The difference in ping to dallas to chicago is the difference in my ability to chamber held attacks. I can't do it with 90 and higher ping. I do it reliably in the dallas duel server though. Chambering held attacks is a fucking small window. Have to click as soon as they release it from their hold, the latency is just enough to make that window too small.
I also have a bad habit of blocking once I see their swing completing, something I can't do with high ping. It lets me double swing everybody who holds or feints though, hahaha.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 10:14:41 pm
There were no ulterior reasons for moving, no monetary reasons, no pressured reasons, just logic.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Dooz on August 02, 2011, 10:15:31 pm
It'd be nice if you could explain the logic, rather than just asserting there was any.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 10:19:18 pm
It'd be nice if you could explain the logic, rather than just asserting there was any.
Didn't he already? Chicago is more central, it makes sense. No stop whining and pray to chadz that another strat server will open down south.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 10:20:17 pm
...keep in mind Strategus is used on these servers, and as I've stressed before I'd rather have a mainstream equal provider where everything can share in good response times, happy go lucky latency, and jolly good ping....
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Dooz on August 02, 2011, 10:20:47 pm
I'm not whining, I'm trying to gain of understanding of why things are happening as they are. You people throw around the "whine" card far too often....

The argument that Chicago is a more central, therefore better location for the server, seems counter to the fact that the Dallas server was the only one populated by any real amount of people at any given time the past week I've been around, especially if you consider the fact that there were Chicago servers up concurrently. As far as open and shut cases go, this one seems pretty easy. So there must be some other reason for the move, monetary or otherwise, but hey at least we get another two weeks out of it (or whatever is left of it after it's back up).

Oh, and numbers and maths are fine and dandy, but I know what my experience is with the difference of 30 ping, and it matters. Laugh at me crying.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Cyclopsided on August 02, 2011, 10:22:23 pm
Chicago isn't more central :/, besides there are just as many west coast players as canadian players -- and already 5 chicago servers.

I understand the strategus argument, but the relative difference of 190 ping vs 220 ping is less than 50 vs 80.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 10:23:03 pm
It'd be nice if you could explain the logic, rather than just asserting there was any.

Logic (http://www.wikipedia.org/)
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Dooz on August 02, 2011, 10:25:22 pm
Oh, I've taken many a year of logic courses, which is why I fail to see any here. But I think I get the picture now. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 10:26:20 pm
Fight the power! (http://www.nfoservers.com/networklocations.php)

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Do that.

Also, STOP BENCHING YOUR PING TO ECKO'S FUCKING SERVERS!
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 10:30:19 pm
Oh, I've taken many a year of logic courses, which is why I fail to see any here. But I think I get the picture now. Enjoy.

So have I, one of my degrees relies on Boolean which is pure logic... Way to sound like a total snob with your subtle insult, nice job.

Logically though, one would research the new servers before saying anything about if it was a good choice to move or not. *points to Zealot's above post* try that.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Dooz on August 02, 2011, 10:31:21 pm
Yes... Chicago has higher ping than Dallas (or ideally, Los Angeles with 14  :shock:).....

Subtle insult? Better than the overt ones being bandied about, no?

I've worn out my welcome. As have many of you. It was real.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: a_bear_irl on August 02, 2011, 10:31:43 pm
im gay
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 10:32:28 pm
Yes... Chicago has higher ping than Dallas (or ideally, Los Angeles with 14  :shock:).....

Ideally for whom exactly when we look at the total population counting Canada?

Subtle insult? Better than the overt ones being bandied about, no?
Yet also worse then no insult at all.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 10:33:42 pm
im gay
How did this even start?
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Braeden on August 02, 2011, 10:40:59 pm
I heard the servers are down because the overclocked fiber optics tubes burst a heat valve in the processor mainframe causing deletion of the server cpu operating system.  Chicago has a river, so that'll offset the heat index and let the core triple spin to avoid burnout under high pedestrian load.  Texas is far too hot for the flux capacitor to operate at full, so clearly the move is for the best guys.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 10:42:17 pm
Confirmed (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,12338.msg174934.html#msg174934)
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 10:42:31 pm
I heard the servers are down because the overclocked fiber optics tubes burst a heat valve in the processor mainframe causing deletion of the server cpu operating system.  Chicago has a river, so that'll offset the heat index and let the core triple spin to avoid burnout under high pedestrian load.  Texas is far too hot for the flux capacitor to operate at full, so clearly the move is for the best guys.

Don't forget that the Batteries were put in backwards thus reversing the polarity of the system and causing data to be enlarged instead of compressed, that broke it too.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 02, 2011, 10:47:45 pm
Don't forget that the Batteries were put in backwards thus reversing the polarity of the system and causing data to be enlarged instead of compressed, that broke it too.
Yall be crazy. My theory is Gorath tripped and fell on the server box (note, it's a physical box in my fantasy) thus crushing all hopes of official servers in the south.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 02, 2011, 10:55:49 pm
Yall be crazy. My theory is Gorath tripped and fell on the server box (note, it's a physical box in my fantasy) thus crushing all hopes of official servers in the south.

Gorath was in Zealot's closet?!  :shock:
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Classical on August 02, 2011, 11:39:38 pm
If anyone wants to have a serious discussion about the location change, go on IRC and PM me.
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Zorato on August 03, 2011, 08:54:43 am
Congratulations Gorath! Apparently you are the entirety of the C-RPG community!

You're so cute - thanks for proving my point.

(and missing it entirely!)
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Lordark on August 04, 2011, 03:18:20 am
SERvER MOVING TO ATS!? (i mean chi town) I SMELL CONSPIRACY  :arrow: 8-)  :|
Title: Re: Sure is nice
Post by: Earthdforce on August 04, 2011, 03:31:43 am
Gorath was in Zealot's closet?!  :shock:
So is Ecko ;)

At least a blowup doll of him