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Title: Iron Flesh needs some love!
Post by: Rumblood on January 16, 2011, 08:30:16 am
Yep
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Post by: Ashrik on January 16, 2011, 08:38:15 am
Yep
Good thread Rumblood. You really put some heart into it and your argument.
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Post by: ShinySpoons on January 16, 2011, 08:49:30 am
Mhmm
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Post by: Kalam on January 16, 2011, 08:50:29 am
Yup
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Post by: SalmonGod on January 16, 2011, 08:51:53 am
*Beer in hand.  Standing under a tree.  Staring off at nothing.*

Yyyyep.
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Post by: Rumblood on January 16, 2011, 09:20:44 am
Good thread Rumblood. You really put some heart into it and your argument.

Yep
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Post by: ShinySpoons on January 16, 2011, 09:27:46 am
Good thread Rumblood. You really put some heart into it and your argument.
Yep

Mhmm
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Post by: Hauptmann on January 16, 2011, 10:03:53 am
Yulp.
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Post by: Furax on January 16, 2011, 10:55:05 am
Hahhahahahaahhaha, dont know why i found it all so funny, but sure is... And on topic: Yeah.. +3 would be nice atleast
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Post by: Banok on January 16, 2011, 11:20:30 am
Yep.

3 hp per point imo
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Post by: Spawny on January 16, 2011, 12:16:09 pm
+3 hp per point would make it a choice to take IF rather than a spot to put your spare points.
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Post by: Silent on January 16, 2011, 12:38:43 pm
+3 vs lolstab
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Post by: Stabby_Dave on January 16, 2011, 12:48:52 pm
Agreed. Its the only really non-essential skill that is class centric (PD,PT,HA). Maybe increase it and we'd see some builds build around really high strength and IF to be pure tanks.
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Post by: Dwarden on January 16, 2011, 12:56:59 pm
+1
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Post by: Punisher on January 16, 2011, 01:10:31 pm
Ironflesh really needs a buff especially with the new level cap at 31 you only get 30 attribute points and there really is no point to put your spare skill points in IF when you could convert them and get much more usefull attribute points instead. And with the light armor people wear these days, ironflesh could be a very usefull skill if buffed.
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Post by: Quake on January 16, 2011, 01:11:51 pm
Agreed, from a guy with 10 IF  :twisted:
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Post by: Ujin on January 16, 2011, 02:01:29 pm
+3 per point, i agree.
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Post by: Thomek on January 16, 2011, 02:25:57 pm
I agree!

IF is almost useless except for tin-cans that get more value because of the damage reduction in armor. Never took IF for any of my chars cause I found it useless.. i mean in stead of 5 IF get 5 PT..
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Post by: Rumblood on January 16, 2011, 05:50:58 pm
Ironflesh really needs a buff especially with the new level cap at 31 you only get 30 attribute points and there really is no point to put your spare skill points in IF when you could convert them and get much more usefull attribute points instead. And with the light armor people wear these days, ironflesh could be a very usefull skill if buffed.

Yep
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Post by: LordRichrich on January 16, 2011, 06:00:01 pm
I agree!

IF is almost useless except for tin-cans that get more value because of the damage reduction in armor. Never took IF for any of my chars cause I found it useless.. i mean in stead of 5 IF get 5 PT..
Yup
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Post by: Allers on January 16, 2011, 06:04:45 pm
I haz 12 IF :3
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Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 16, 2011, 06:13:35 pm
Ironflesh needs, about 3-5 hp per point, 4 works, but might be to high. (hey +10 on piercing bodkin arrows works, but is to high. so now were equal!) Besides, it would be nice.
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Post by: Grey on January 16, 2011, 06:20:19 pm
OMFG LOL!! Ironflesh is the same as Shield Skill: WASTED POINTS

Dont be so noob. Simple

I dont plan on getting hit, so I dont buy armour, shieldskill, or IF. Since the way I see it, getting hit is the OPPOSITE of what you want, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON IT?? Stop being tards, IF, if ANYTHING, needs REMOVING from the game, since only tards buy it anyway, Im very sorry if this offends anyone, but it IS the truth: Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill. FACT. Buff IF indeed, next you will want a mana bar and Magic Misile?
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Post by: LordBerenger on January 16, 2011, 06:58:28 pm
Not everyone wants to play this with high agi and ultra high athlethics and run zig zag like a idiot lol.


I support IF buff!
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Post by: ThePoopy on January 16, 2011, 07:02:50 pm
OMFG LOL!! Ironflesh is the same as Shield Skill: WASTED POINTS

Dont be so noob. Simple

I dont plan on getting hit, so I dont buy armour, shieldskill, or IF. Since the way I see it, getting hit is the OPPOSITE of what you want, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON IT?? Stop being tards, IF, if ANYTHING, needs REMOVING from the game, since only tards buy it anyway, Im very sorry if this offends anyone, but it IS the truth: Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill. FACT. Buff IF indeed, next you will want a mana bar and Magic Misile?
we are not planning to get hit, we are planning to not die WHEN we get hit
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Post by: Balton on January 16, 2011, 07:06:40 pm
OMFG LOL!! Ironflesh is the same as Shield Skill: WASTED POINTS

Dont be so noob. Simple

I dont plan on getting hit, so I dont buy armour, shieldskill, or IF. Since the way I see it, getting hit is the OPPOSITE of what you want, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON IT?? Stop being tards, IF, if ANYTHING, needs REMOVING from the game, since only tards buy it anyway, Im very sorry if this offends anyone, but it IS the truth: Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill. FACT. Buff IF indeed, next you will want a mana bar and Magic Misile?

So you never die? I guess I can expect to see you top off the scoreboards at 60-0 or so per map.
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Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2011, 07:37:19 pm
OMFG LOL!! Ironflesh is the same as Shield Skill: WASTED POINTS

Dont be so noob. Simple

I dont plan on getting hit, so I dont buy armour, shieldskill, or IF. Since the way I see it, getting hit is the OPPOSITE of what you want, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON IT?? Stop being tards, IF, if ANYTHING, needs REMOVING from the game, since only tards buy it anyway, Im very sorry if this offends anyone, but it IS the truth: Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill. FACT. Buff IF indeed, next you will want a mana bar and Magic Misile?

Oh... I suppose you also want armor removed ?  8-)
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Post by: bruce on January 16, 2011, 08:04:14 pm
OMFG LOL!! Ironflesh is the same as Shield Skill: WASTED POINTS

Dont be so noob. Simple

I dont plan on getting hit, so I dont buy armour, shieldskill, or IF. Since the way I see it, getting hit is the OPPOSITE of what you want, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON IT?? Stop being tards, IF, if ANYTHING, needs REMOVING from the game, since only tards buy it anyway, Im very sorry if this offends anyone, but it IS the truth: Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill. FACT. Buff IF indeed, next you will want a mana bar and Magic Misile?

Says an archer.

What's the last time, Grey, you've been in the front ranks of a battle? I suspect a long time ago. With the projectiles flying around you, teammates impeding your maneuvering, etc... just try it on a large battle server. Of course, you might be the type of guy who likes better to sneak around and hit the back ranks - fine. But hopefully you realize the value of your teammates which are fighting the enemy in the front so you can go on a happy ninja massacre.



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Post by: EyeBeat on January 16, 2011, 08:28:02 pm
They put propane in my urethra bobby.
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Post by: Quake on January 16, 2011, 08:42:25 pm
OMFG LOL!! Ironflesh is the same as Shield Skill: WASTED POINTS

Dont be so noob. Simple

I dont plan on getting hit, so I dont buy armour, shieldskill, or IF. Since the way I see it, getting hit is the OPPOSITE of what you want, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON IT?? Stop being tards, IF, if ANYTHING, needs REMOVING from the game, since only tards buy it anyway, Im very sorry if this offends anyone, but it IS the truth: Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill. FACT. Buff IF indeed, next you will want a mana bar and Magic Misile?

Youre the person I sneak up behind and 1hit when youre oblivious to my existence and have no chance to react.
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Post by: FICO on January 16, 2011, 08:48:42 pm
Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill
  i have no skill, but i plan to survive as long as i can. however, i do not fancy heavy armor
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Post by: Jago on January 16, 2011, 09:22:23 pm
Make IF lower the duration of stun after being hit.
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Post by: ThePoopy on January 16, 2011, 09:25:03 pm
woot now
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Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 16, 2011, 09:38:13 pm
OMFG LOL!! Ironflesh is the same as Shield Skill: WASTED POINTS

Dont be so noob. Simple

I dont plan on getting hit, so I dont buy armour, shieldskill, or IF. Since the way I see it, getting hit is the OPPOSITE of what you want, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON IT?? Stop being tards, IF, if ANYTHING, needs REMOVING from the game, since only tards buy it anyway, Im very sorry if this offends anyone, but it IS the truth: Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill. FACT. Buff IF indeed, next you will want a mana bar and Magic Misile?


Umm, we plan to survive when we get hit, not get hit, if you dont wear armor or dont have ironflesh your gonna get killed by 1 arrow!   :lol: 
Also, i hate magic, dont even say i want it.
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Post by: Castor on January 16, 2011, 10:17:12 pm
Good thread Rumblood. You really put some heart into it and your argument.

ROFLCOPTER CHUKCHUKCHUKCHUKCHUKCHUK!!!
Title: Re: Iron Flesh needs some love!
Post by: Rumblood on January 16, 2011, 10:31:32 pm
Make IF lower the duration of stun after being hit.

This is interesting, but debatable whether it is doable.

I wonder whether having it give you +1 armor in addition to 4-5 hit points would be worthwhile.
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Post by: Cyclopsided on January 17, 2011, 02:53:54 am
This is interesting, but debatable whether it is doable.

I wonder whether having it give you +1 armor in addition to 4-5 hit points would be worthwhile.
that would be extremely OP.
Me wallace and linden were having a conversation on IF yesterday (seeing as we have high IF), and making IF give +3 HP would be perfect imo. The thought of adding armor is insanely OP, Imagine this, a big tin can pumping IF, and making it +1 armor +2 HP. Imagine the full plate with 10 Armor higher? Ridiculously bad idea. +3 HP would be good.

But at +4 Hp.... +40 HP for 10 IF? That's double that of a normal non-IF-getting-character alone. You know, I'd say it would definitely make IF something a build would center around, but I think it would be... not necessarily a bad idea -- but terrifying to people abusing agility stacking to outspam opponents. It would be interesting.

I vote for +3 HP for IF from an objective standpoint.
I vote for +4 HP for IF from an experimental & subjective standpoint.
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Post by: slothscott on January 17, 2011, 03:59:45 am
Any buff to IF would be appreciated. Like others have said at the moment there is just better places to put those points.
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Post by: Vance on January 17, 2011, 04:41:22 pm
I already find it worth putting points in because I like to fight the enemy team...
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Post by: Punisher on January 17, 2011, 04:50:42 pm
+3 HP/1 IF would be perfect
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Post by: Engine on January 17, 2011, 04:57:23 pm
Word. +3. Right now it's a place for spare points, and it's not like most of us have any spare points anyway.
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Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 17, 2011, 06:05:57 pm
OMFG LOL!! Ironflesh is the same as Shield Skill: WASTED POINTS

Dont be so noob. Simple

I dont plan on getting hit, so I dont buy armour, shieldskill, or IF. Since the way I see it, getting hit is the OPPOSITE of what you want, WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON IT?? Stop being tards, IF, if ANYTHING, needs REMOVING from the game, since only tards buy it anyway, Im very sorry if this offends anyone, but it IS the truth: Heavy Armour and Ironflesh are what you buy if you have no skill. FACT. Buff IF indeed, next you will want a mana bar and Magic Misile?

Ha-ha, he is one of them naked peasants with a straw hat, who is hiding in the woods the whole round, and gets rage-poll-kicked in the end. Shield?? Wtf is that? Grey never charges anything, he is not being shot thanks to his awesome hiding skill.

Yeah guys, lets just "stop being tards", and invests all spare skill points in Athletics, so we can run away ostrich style, and annoy everyone.

GG. Keep it up Grey. We need more skilled players like you.
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Post by: Wallace on January 17, 2011, 10:06:24 pm
My idea was to give +1 HP and +1 body armor

This was immediately shot down by everyone that knows i stack IF
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Post by: duurrr on January 17, 2011, 10:11:13 pm
Ha-ha, he is one of them naked peasants with a straw hat, who is hiding in the woods the whole round, and gets rage-poll-kicked in the end. Shield?? Wtf is that? Grey never charges anything, he is not being shot thanks to his awesome hiding skill.

Yeah guys, lets just "stop being tards", and invests all spare skill points in Athletics, so we can run away ostrich style, and annoy everyone.

GG. Keep it up Grey. We need more skilled players like you.
hes actually decent

anybody who plays without a shield on this range fest has a lot of courage tbh
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Post by: Konrax on January 17, 2011, 10:33:31 pm
I like this idea of boosting IF.

So much respect for 2h/polearms that use shield crush weapons.

/sarc
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Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 17, 2011, 11:51:53 pm
The iron flesh buff, would be great!! strengh build will no longer be a complete waste!
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Post by: Tornkik on January 18, 2011, 01:16:45 am
I dunno, I see people who say they have 30ish str and 3 agi, and they run faster than they should.  :wink:
If they buffed ironflesh, it would be nice.
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Post by: Cyclopsided on January 18, 2011, 01:34:01 am
I dunno, I see people who say they have 30ish str and 3 agi, and they run faster than they should.  :wink:
If they buffed ironflesh, it would be nice.

Kesh already suggested increasing weight's speed reduction effects. Right now in heavy armor you have almost no speed penalty (although shields seem to give quite a bit, confusing.)

So, yeah. The tin cans should get slower at running
and IF def needs a buff, i think +3 HP rather than +2 is perfect.
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Post by: Chaos on January 18, 2011, 01:37:36 am
As an agi stacker who would literally cringe if a single point accidentally fell into ironflesh, I support the +3 hp/1 IF buff. It only seems right.
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Post by: BlueGreen on January 18, 2011, 03:46:51 am
Yeah i fully support this
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Post by: Gorath on January 18, 2011, 03:54:17 am
As an agi stacker who would literally cringe if a single point accidentally fell into ironflesh, I support the +3 hp/1 IF buff. It only seems right.

I support this only if they do implement more of a weight/speed decrease.  Str-builds in plate shouldn't be able to catch a dude in leather/studded even if the dude in leather only has 1 athletics and the guy in heavy armor has 3 ath.
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Post by: Mouse on January 18, 2011, 06:15:55 am
Agreed, although I think +4 HP for IF would actually be better. The actual difference on an extreme 10 IF build would only be +20 HP over the current +2. Even with black armor +3 that's at most two hits extra from any non-cut weapon.
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Post by: Siiem on January 18, 2011, 08:53:39 am
21 str 7 ironflesh would be 84 hp... you people must be insane.
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Post by: LordSnow on January 18, 2011, 09:04:57 am
I support this only if they do implement more of a weight/speed decrease.  Str-builds in plate shouldn't be able to catch a dude in leather/studded even if the dude in leather only has 1 athletics and the guy in heavy armor has 3 ath.
There's no more dude in plate
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Post by: Mouse on January 18, 2011, 10:29:10 am
21 str 7 ironflesh would be 84 hp... you people must be insane.

Normally they'd have 70 HP with those stats. +14 HP is not a big deal in this game. That's surviving one extra hit if your opponent has a decent weapon with some power strike, which is a much needed boost for a whole 7 skill points.
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Post by: Rumblood on January 20, 2011, 01:22:16 am
I sense overwhelming support for some, if even a slight, improvement.  :wink:
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Post by: Miley on January 20, 2011, 01:23:10 am
I have 7 ;3
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Post by: Gorath on January 20, 2011, 01:27:21 am
There's no more dude in plate

I still see them all the time on the NA servers.
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Post by: RazorRamon on January 20, 2011, 01:53:01 am
yeah buff IF, i cant wait to fight throwers with 10PT and 100HP wearing medium armor
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Post by: Roh_ on January 20, 2011, 01:55:11 am
I'm All for entirely changing the level system.  But if that isn't desirable then I would agree. IF could use a buff.
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Post by: zagibu on January 20, 2011, 03:13:17 am
yeah buff IF, i cant wait to fight throwers with 10PT and 100HP wearing medium armor

Throwers can't really spend points on IF...
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Post by: Siiem on January 20, 2011, 03:15:16 am
Normally they'd have 70 HP with those stats. +14 HP is not a big deal in this game. That's surviving one extra hit if your opponent has a decent weapon with some power strike, which is a much needed boost for a whole 7 skill points.

It's more then 1 hit. Besides ironfelsh in combination with good armour is allready damn strong. You want those fuckers who are pure str to be like a fkn plated charger?
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Post by: Cyclopsided on January 20, 2011, 07:10:48 am
It's more then 1 hit. Besides ironfelsh in combination with good armour is allready damn strong. You want those fuckers who are pure str to be like a fkn plated charger?

Wait, you are telling me +10 HP to a guy who has 10 IF is that ridiculous? Now, ok, +20 is a pretty decent chunk (one more hit, or more if the attacker has low PS or a low dmg cut weapon) of hp.
But making it +3 hp rather than +2 HP is perfectly fine. I haven't seen one argument against that small of an increase. You guys probably wouldn't even notice that they had more HP. 
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Post by: Beleidiger on January 20, 2011, 07:33:55 am
I like the Idea with less Stunning Time and maybe more stamina against Knock Down but +3 Iron Flesh would be fine too!

And if 90% of the Posters here says wy spending Points in Iron Flesh it may really need a buff!
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Post by: Timotheusthereal on January 20, 2011, 08:15:08 am
3,325 hp per IF = 6 in IF, 20 extra health points with 18 STR. fair!
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Post by: Punisher on January 22, 2011, 12:40:00 pm
I started a topic in the Suggestion Area, maybe that will get the devs attention, feel free to post there.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1196.0.html
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Post by: panderson on January 23, 2011, 05:32:30 am
Since my thrower alt has 11 IF, I approve of this.  I need moar hp.
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Post by: 1slander on January 23, 2011, 05:37:20 am
What if IF was an armor modifier.  Like a natural armor + bonus count instead of hit points.  I know it's left field but it makes sense to me.  That way a high level in IF would actually see a naked peasant having natural armor resistance.  Not really a relative referance but for example.
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Post by: zagibu on May 19, 2012, 03:09:27 am
Bumping due to ongoing IF uselessness.
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Post by: Peasant_Woman on May 19, 2012, 03:21:01 am
Thats not just a bump...That might just be a full blown
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Post by: Vkvkvk on May 19, 2012, 03:40:59 am
Bumping due to ongoing IF uselessness.


How is IF useless in any way or form? If it was useless, people wouldn't stack that shit and use all their skill points in it, I don't know for EU but in NA, people pretty much Max IF so most of the strenght builds have 7-9 IF easily ontop of their loomed heavy armor, so they take a ridiculous amount of hits due to 7-9 IF and average 65 body armor and above.

If Ironflesh was useless, people wouldn't level it up over WM, which they do, if Ironflesh is useless and people max it over WM, then WM is totally worthless.

Also jesus christ, that necro is over a year old, don't bring that shit back.
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Post by: Bobthehero on May 19, 2012, 03:46:41 am
Feel free to buff, or don't
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Post by: TugBoat on May 19, 2012, 04:11:04 am
I agree to a certain extent. I think that str builds especially 2hs are very vulnerable to throws, couched lances, arrows, crossbows, it would be nice to be able to take more ranged hits
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Post by: zagibu on May 19, 2012, 04:37:33 am
I have 10 IF and barely notice any difference to 0 IF. Any skill at level 10 should be worlds apart from 0. Worlds.
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Post by: ArchonAlarion on May 19, 2012, 04:53:29 am
What if IF was an armor modifier.  Like a natural armor + bonus count instead of hit points.  I know it's left field but it makes sense to me.  That way a high level in IF would actually see a naked peasant having natural armor resistance.  Not really a relative referance but for example.

yeah that's what IF really should be. STR increases your body mass, IF would be the toughness of your skin and general resistance to pain.
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Post by: Falka on May 19, 2012, 05:19:12 am
I have 10 IF and barely notice any difference to 0 IF.

Troll harder  8-)