Now I cans ee where it might come in handy meaning avoiding every player runnign around in full plate.
But how can it be fair that wearing some pretty basic equipment im being forced to shell out around 400-600 gp per game? Now to say that there are only about 5 clicks a game im having to play on a x2 multiplayer to even stand a chance of keeping th money i have, never midn making more.
And even the concept seems kinda messed up to me, those guys in the more heavy armour fighting for their team and the multipliers, generally doign a better job at gaining the than the random naked people are having to pay more. So i'd have a mroe productive time sat naked charging in doing sod all to aid the battle. Seems kinda wrong to me
Is there somthign im missing or is that all there is to it, because if so then i seriously dont see how im supposed to collect a decent amount of money
I feel your pain. Im not a wealthy player (around 30K Gold, 25K atm) and i wear 28K worth of gear.
Norman Helmet - 992 Gold
Light Kuyak - 6.755 Gold
Mail Mittens - 1.376 Gold
Mail Boots - 2.998 Gold
Danish GS - 15.922 Gold
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Total Equip. 28.054 Gold
Thats a average ammount of gear, nothing fancy (except for the Danish Greatsword).
I realy am struggeling to save up any gold, overall tonight im down like 5G and at a certain point i was even down 10K :shock:. So i had to do some siege to get me back up to 25K (and i realy dislike sieges lol)
The people that say: "Upkeep is perfect now" are players that are very wealthy and can affort to loose some (or atleast thats what i think) but for an average player like me its realy a pain in the ass.
A few days ago i was curious how a totally new player would manage, so i made an alt with a 1H and a shield with realy crappy gear and to my supprize i cant even earn any money for that one.
Maybe im just unlucky but it dont seem right to me.
The old upkeep was better imo.
My two cents.
The upkeep is perfect for me.
But then again I wear anywhere from <1,000 gold worth of gear to <20,000 gold worth of gear.
While the upkeep itself may be flawed and limiting you in what you want to wear you don't need that much gear to be good, I've had alot of fun recently running around with hide boots red tunic and a scythe and still killing very easily and easily being in the top of the scoreboard.
You are right, im running with peasant gear and only my buckler and a langes messer and one of those two items break almost every round so its impossible i can make any profit.
you don't need that much gear to be good
I am not using my plate cant afford, I do use a one handed sword and no shield, thats about as challenging as it gets.
And you seem to think that plate=auto crutch, thats bullshit, slows you do a lot, more challenge.
It's not like anything is forcing you to use plate, everyone is playing with the same upkeep system as you do and not everyone is complaining so SURELY you must be the problem.
Unless you're using some Beta Upkeepsystemus™ that no one else is using yet that is discriminating only you.
I have a bunch of different sets of gear that I run around in depending on the situation. If my team is doing crap, I have a cheap 14k Bananaman set (Magyar helmet + cav robe) that doesn't really make or lose money if I'm stuck on x1. If the teams are well balanced, I use my 24k Samurai set and when I'm riding x5 for an hour, I switch to my 45k Bender outfit (Tangancha helm + Rus scale). For all of these, the most expensive weapon I use is a katana, but I usually use a miaodao, or a great axe if I'm up against a bunch of shielders.I just use 35k worth of gear all the time and make like 8k a day.
By doing this, I've probably made 15k in the last week (could be more, I don't really keep track). Plate is a waste of time for me, way too much of a speed penalty to justify the extra armor. And I don't know about anyone else, but I tend to target platers when I play. It counts for nothing if you can't block an axe to the head 5 times 8-)
The upkeep is preventing me from using my plate most of the time and I rather enjoy using my armor, its my style, and I cant afford it, unlike a fucking ninja or you.
im not sure what crutching is, but tbh, most people in plate are relatively easy to kill since they are slow. The ones that are good in plate are really good players because they don't need speed to beat you, just skill.
the weight balances the armor gain.
I guess you haven't fought a bec using tin can? Basically the system doesn't allow you to swing twice without having to block in-between unless you have better footwork, Exchanging blow for blow and block for block, 2 equally skilled players fight, the tincan can take 6-7 hits from my sword, he can 1-2 shot me with his bec. Who will win 80% of the time in an equal skill fight? - tin can. I actually agree this should be the case, you are paying a lot of money to do so (though I still see plenty of people constantly in tin can suit, must sell their heirlooms). And I agree that it should be enormously expensive as it is a huge privilege to be armored like the richest knight in the land instead of a poor peasant.
really? i take out plenty of bec tincans with my danish great, whats the range on the bec? usually i use footwork to avoid their swings and stab em.Your EU, in NA no one had ATH and can outrange the really short bec.
^ Pretty much why would a ninja be able to play his prefered style but a plater couldnt?
And even the concept seems kinda messed up to me, those guys in the more heavy armour fighting for their team and the multipliers, generally doign a better job at gaining the than the random naked people are having to pay more.Well, you can ask around, I'm such a useless Tincan that people don't straight out insult me using words of homosexuality anymore, they just suggest me to wear black armor :mrgreen:
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I guess you haven't fought a bec using tin can? Basically the system doesn't allow you to swing twice without having to block in-between unless you have better footwork, Exchanging blow for blow and block for block, 2 equally skilled players fight, the tincan can take 6-7 hits from my sword, he can 1-2 shot me with his bec. Who will win 80% of the time in an equal skill fight? - tin can. I actually agree this should be the case, you are paying a lot of money to do so (though I still see plenty of people constantly in tin can suit, must sell their heirlooms). And I agree that it should be enormously expensive as it is a huge privilege to be armored like the richest knight in the land instead of a poor peasant.
Now I cans ee where it might come in handy meaning avoiding every player runnign around in full plate.
But how can it be fair that wearing some pretty basic equipment im being forced to shell out around 400-600 gp per game? Now to say that there are only about 5 clicks a game im having to play on a x2 multiplayer to even stand a chance of keeping th money i have, never midn making more.
And even the concept seems kinda messed up to me, those guys in the more heavy armour fighting for their team and the multipliers, generally doign a better job at gaining the than the random naked people are having to pay more. So i'd have a mroe productive time sat naked charging in doing sod all to aid the battle. Seems kinda wrong to me
Is there somthign im missing or is that all there is to it, because if so then i seriously dont see how im supposed to collect a decent amount of money
Noone in plate will take more than 4 hits to kill with a good MW 2 hander
Not everyone has a damn MW weapon you know. Fighting you, tydeus and goretooth last night you each took around 5-7 thrusts from full hp for me to kill with my lawlpike (32p) on Braxxus.
Balancing around MW's is silly imo since we're not going to be using them in strat.
Solution: Increase the weight penalty further, but make Plates easier to sustain.
This Way only the real Plate lovers who wear them for Style will wear them.
I assume that if you balance around MW weapons you would be assuming the enemy would be wearing lordly armor as well.
I still say this is silly because why are we balancing around the idea that you have to spend 1000's of hours before you're on-par with where the game is balanced anymore?
Not everyone took advantage of the broken retirement system pre-fix in order to get 30 heirloom points or more. Then there's the flat out new players. None of us have lordly plate/black armor and MW bec's. :?
problem would be solved by removing upkeep, and removing the top tier stuff, problem sorted.
I wouldn't actually mind you using plate if it was purely aesthetic, turns out it's not and plate gives you a clear advantage over anyone else.
"Ohh, I'm not crutching on plate armor, OH FUCK I CAN'T USE MY PLATE ARMOR? GOOD GOD UPKEEP IS SHIT AND IS PREVENTING ME FROM CRUTCHING BECAUSE I'M A NOBODY NOT WORTH SHIT THAT CAN'T DO JACK OUTSIDE HIS ARMOR"
-BobtheHerp
Originally, I understood why upkeep was implemented. At this point though, do we really need it?
Since Strategus is back, why can't we have that for the super-serious playing and have plain old CRPG for fun?
It seems that every patch lately has reduced the fun factor a bit. I don't give a shit if I have to fight 100 plated chargers with fully armored riders carrying steel shields. I don't care if someone has 10,000 heirlooms. I'm still going to use the same gear I've always used.
Can't we just get back to what made this game fun in the first place? Buying new shit and hitting people with swords?
I am toppign the boards in a Gambeson and long espada eslanova
Except I never actually saw you top the scoreboard and you're pretty easy to kill.
Never saw your face either ;)
This thread is not about ePeen.
Seriously, shut up about this stuff and bring it to the General Talk where it usually belongs... yeesh...