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Title: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Uther Pendragon on April 30, 2016, 07:27:20 pm
Good evening;

Admin changes:

Nightingale is removed as an admin from both EU and NA admin teams. I've talked with Nightingale about it, with few other NA and EU admins, and asked a couple players.
After Desire gave me an ultimatum, I could not let them remain. Nightingale isn't banned, and can continue being an item balancer/advisor if they want to.

Kratos is now a trial admin for EU servers.

Rule changes:

Following an admin poll that lasted for 10 days and had a short discussion with most of us agreeing, the new rule that cmp added -
Quote from: Official Server Rules
NOT OK: Modifying game files to gain undeserved benefits
Will mean specificaly that - modifying items as it's done with the heirloom items, sound mods, custom item skins (changing the texture to fit your personal roleplay) is ok, removing weather effects, removing foliage, making buildings transparent, glowing items - not ok. If you have doubts about your modification being alright, you can always post it to forums and ask for opinions, I believe that most players can differentiate between mods that change the player experience from mods that worsen the player experience so numbers next to their names can be bigger :wink: Common sense and some fairness, please.

Minor announcements:

Item shop pictures that are currently missing are mostly done (http://i.imgur.com/AL0PJYG.png), expecting an occasion to be added.

You can expect a map rotation change in the nearest future™, better suited to a smaller playerbase, some old maps that are out of rotation could find their way back in.

Personal announcement - I recorded the themed battle (Crusaders vs Jihadists) but it got delayed - I'll post it in the coming days once I'm done editing out the bugged parts of the clips, no idea when I'll finish since Sony Vegas likes to suck enormous dick at random.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: POOPHAMMER on April 30, 2016, 07:29:57 pm
first not first last
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Asheram on April 30, 2016, 07:46:30 pm
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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Casul on April 30, 2016, 07:48:48 pm
1st Kebab admin, it just took 6 years to find a turk who doesnt get triggered when you say something bad about Turkland.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on April 30, 2016, 07:49:54 pm
1st Kebab admin, it just took 6 years to find a turk who doesnt get triggered when you say something bad about Turkland.
I've been told lately that saying something bad about Turkey/Turks is racism.
The more you know, right?  :lol:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Rhekimos on April 30, 2016, 08:21:33 pm
Good news. And a big day for the Turkish race.

Also remove rain completely. It gives me a headache. And it's probably the biggest single reason why people alt-f4.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: chesterotab on April 30, 2016, 08:43:23 pm
Good evening;

Nightingale is removed as an admin from both EU and NA admin teams. I've talked with Nightingale about it, with few other NA and EU admins, and asked a couple players.
After Desire gave me an ultimatum, I could not let them remain. Nightingale isn't banned, and can continue being an item balancer/advisor if they want to.

Will mean specificaly that - modifying items as it's done with the heirloom items, sound mods, custom item skins (changing the texture to fit your personal roleplay) is ok, removing weather effects, removing foliage, making buildings transparent, glowing items - not ok.

2016 is a rough year for desire fans after arbalest was nerfed and now the deadmin'ing. 2017 will be the comeback for team desire.

What if i am role playing a Jedi and want to mod a longsword to be my lightsaber?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on April 30, 2016, 08:56:40 pm
More admins play the mod than regular players  :lol:



As far as I see correct, what pandor did, was not forbidden at that time, then its time to unban him.
#freepandor
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on April 30, 2016, 09:13:51 pm
Don't know about the NA stuff but the new admin rule and Kratos as admin I approve of.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Uther Pendragon on April 30, 2016, 09:19:22 pm
What if i am role playing a Jedi and want to mod a longsword to be my lightsaber?

There's a difference between lightsaber glow (Bearforce mod for example) and pure single color texture glow.

To be honest, it's possible :D But in reality, you'll find your lightsaber to be shitty and not cutting enemies into pieces, stopping against shields and other weapons that clearly are inferior :(
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on April 30, 2016, 09:21:24 pm
As far as I see correct, what pandor did, was not forbidden at that time, then its time to unban him.
#freepandor


Technically, they should go back in time and unban him, then ban him now.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Tumble on April 30, 2016, 09:29:44 pm
There's a difference between lightsaber glow (Bearforce mod for example) and pure single color texture glow.

To be honest, it's possible :D But in reality, you'll find your lightsaber to be shitty and not cutting enemies into pieces, stopping against shields and other weapons that clearly are inferior :(

All I heard is yes, everyone turn their weapons into lightsabers.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Kirman on April 30, 2016, 09:45:17 pm
Kratos is now a trial admin for EU servers.

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: ARN_ on April 30, 2016, 09:45:42 pm
Kratos is now a trial admin for EU servers.
Möd is dead
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: the real god emperor on April 30, 2016, 11:50:19 pm
Anyone who isn't a Turk deserves a ban imo.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Asheram on April 30, 2016, 11:57:03 pm
Anyone who isn't a Turk deserves a ban imo.
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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 01, 2016, 01:33:34 am
Admin changes:

Nightingale is removed as an admin

no one else is gonna say so i guess i have to

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RIP   :(
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 01, 2016, 01:39:14 am
no one else is gonna say so i guess i have to

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RIP   :(

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: dreadnok on May 01, 2016, 06:00:30 am
I love the movie baskins
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 01, 2016, 06:41:56 am

Technically, they should go back in time and unban him, then ban him now.

But now he would not do this anymore because its forbidden  :!:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 01, 2016, 07:21:42 am
Does this mean that people I like will start playing this game again?

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 01, 2016, 08:39:47 am
A point about ban people who said the word "niger" in game on NA server.


Occitans are from Canada right? Canadas economy never based on slavery of black people and had never same anti black laws like USA. In Europe the situation is the same. I dont see why in Canada or Europe or Asia blacks should get more protection than other nations, races or whatever. Slavery, aparthed, the word friend, its mostly an US problem. How can you ban people from Canada because they used the n word, while there is a country called nigeria and some see called niger. friend this and niger that, this is part of the us hip hop music.

Look here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOv0ASKFQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x5ZRAVXxr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jE5TpN2bb8
Its even allowed to sing like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnMvz3mLXaA
All this come out of your us-culture into the world!


Win process against youtube and all the artists, then start to ban the world  :lol:
Canadians need own representation between admins  :idea:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 01, 2016, 09:39:20 am
I stand by all of my actions during my time as an admin. I did my best to help maintain a respectful and healthy community for the 4 years I was active. I tried to do my best in enforcing the rules as unbiasedly as I could; I may have overdone it. I am sorry that people felt the need to "quit" over a two-day ban that was self-inflicted.

@Hellou: Its in the rules so I enforced it; The rules are constructed by Europeans, servers are paid for by Europeans, this mod is made by Europeans. If they decide they don't want racial slurs in their servers that would be their choice. It has clearly been decided that spamming this is to be allowed. I would advise updating the rules to accommodate for this sudden change in atmosphere. (FYI there are a few Canadian admins)

@e_wstwd: I wouldn't compare me to the evil witch xD That doesn't speak highly of any of you guys... well never mind, that is pretty fitting.

I don't want my admin back nor do I expect to get it back; that said, RIP in pieces me.  :lol:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Panos_ on May 01, 2016, 09:50:27 am
A Turkish admin?



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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Rando on May 01, 2016, 10:11:33 am
I stand by all of my actions during my time as an admin. I did my best to help maintain a respectful and healthy community for the 4 years I was active. I tried to do my best in enforcing the rules as unbiasedly as I could; I may have overdone it. I am sorry that people felt the need to "quit" over a two-day ban that was self-inflicted.

@Hellou: Its in the rules so I enforced it; The rules are constructed by Europeans, servers are paid for by Europeans, this mod is made by Europeans. If they decide they don't want racial slurs in their servers that would be their choice. It has clearly been decided that spamming this is to be allowed. I would advise updating the rules to accommodate for this sudden change in atmosphere. (FYI there are a few Canadian admins)

@e_wstwd: I wouldn't compare me to the evil witch xD That doesn't speak highly of any of you guys... well never mind, that is pretty fitting.

I don't want my admin back nor do I expect to get it back; that said, RIP in pieces me.  :lol:

If you would've just said "I'm sorry." and left it at that it would've spoken so many volumes above this disaster of a post, but I guess on some level you still feel smug about what you did.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 01, 2016, 10:25:53 am
If you would've just said "I'm sorry." and left it at that it would've spoken so many volumes above this disaster of a post, but I guess on some level you still feel smug about what you did.

Simply saying sorry for having admined; would have come off even more smug than any level of "disastrous" post I could write.

In truth I'm not sure what I feel at this moment in time, mostly confused; It matters very little what I say. Being disliked by the majority means that, anything and everything I say will be taken as offensive and "smug" in nature.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 01, 2016, 10:26:59 am
I don't dislike you and apart from the initial length of the ban, I might have done the same in similar circumstances.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 01, 2016, 10:34:40 am
I don't dislike you and apart from the initial length of the ban, I might have done the same in similar circumstances.

The initial length of the ban was the product of a system to limit biased action; however clearly that system is no longer functional as here I lay. I wouldn't recommend following in similar approach to this situation as it would be signing your own death warrant.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 01, 2016, 10:37:51 am
Well, with this rather high number of players going ape shit cuz of - I dunno - "muh oppressive system", muting is not a practical solution to resolve the situation.
One general warning, then straight to banning for 2 hours or something.

Still seems to be the sound approach to me and I can imagine to most of the other admins too.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 01, 2016, 10:55:31 am
Well, with this rather high number of players going ape shit cuz of - I dunno - "muh oppressive system", muting is not a practical solution to resolve the situation.
One general warning, then straight to banning for 2 hours or something.

Still seems to be the sound approach to me and I can imagine to most of the other admins too.

Clearly not, if that was the case then my later approach of lessening the bans would have been adequate to show my agreeance to lesser punishment; Not to mention my stating as much and being told "we will see how it plays out." Instead, here I am confused as to why I wasn't given a chance to adapt to a new meta of lighter punishments after 4 years of being an admin. I don't mean to start another argument over this incredibly retarded situation; that is not my intention.

"We don't trust you to admin but you can still alter the game." I'm not sure that is wise? Given I was in Uthyr's same shoes and  if I were to decide I can't trust a person to make simple decisions; how could I trust this same person to alter the very game everyone plays?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 01, 2016, 11:04:50 am
Yea, I don't think it's wise to get this discussion going right now :wink:
At the end of the day it boils down to politics anyway.

Let's just hope these kind of things do not repeat...
...in everyone's interest.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 01, 2016, 11:09:33 am
Yea, I don't think it's wise to get this discussion going right now :wink:
At the end of the day it boils down to politics anyway.

Let's just hope these kind of things do not repeat...
...in everyone's interest.

One can hope.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Gurgumul on May 01, 2016, 11:37:50 am
anything and everything I say will be taken as offensive and "smug" in nature.
Just get rid of the purple text.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 01, 2016, 11:39:42 am
@e_wstwd: I wouldn't compare me to the evil witch xD That doesn't speak highly of any of you guys... well never mind, that is pretty fitting.
Do not FUCK with the Lollipop Guild

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: HappyPhantom on May 01, 2016, 12:13:23 pm

"We don't trust you to admin but you can still alter the game." I'm not sure that is wise? Given I was in Uthyr's same shoes and  if I were to decide I can't trust a person to make simple decisions; how could I trust this same person to alter the very game everyone plays?

I will never trust you after arrow-gate 2.0 The Sequel.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 01, 2016, 12:17:05 pm
I will never trust you after arrow-gate 2.0 The Sequel.

hahah, that was(is) truly my bad I hope that is fixed sunday when Dupre gets access.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on May 01, 2016, 12:36:55 pm
"We don't trust you to admin but you can still alter the game." I'm not sure that is wise? Given I was in Uthyr's same shoes and  if I were to decide I can't trust a person to make simple decisions; how could I trust this same person to alter the very game everyone plays?

Admining is not simple decisions or you really sell yourself and others short!
You seem to have adopted a robotic hardline approach to enforcing rules that might work under a AAA game where you oversee thousands of lifeless player names, but we are at a family size now where common sense and understanding > self-destructive application of rules. Everyone will tell you until you finally admit it that the extreme duration of the bans in the n-word affair was wrong, the fact that the bans were supposedly obviously going to be reduced to normal-heavy duration all along was wrong, and not apologizing + threatening to delete an entire community of the game over something that was wrong was wrong.

Now if you have a mind and the skills to tweak the game, why not keep using it even though you are no longer game admin? The fact they are ready to keep that door open means that they trust you will not go out of your way to purposedfully harm the community, even though that could be doubted by many people that doesnt know you. Stop playing the clueless bot :P
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 01, 2016, 01:01:17 pm
the new rule that cmp added - Will mean specificaly that - modifying items as it's done with the heirloom items, sound mods, custom item skins (changing the texture to fit your personal roleplay) is ok, removing weather effects, removing foliage, making buildings transparent, glowing items - not ok.

Sucks that this rule was added during the twilight of crpg, but better late than never I guess. Many players (myself included) had sperged out numerous times before about this sort of blatant cheating. I think it already should have been covered under the "common sense" rule that modifying your client for ingame advantage = bannable offense.

I understand devs thought the other legitimate ways of modifying the game files mentioned were more important, which leads me to ask how the devs plan to enforce the rule, if at all. Will there finally be a file check during launch? Will it prevent the users of these cheats from playing at all or replace the modded files with default ones? It should be like the autoblock/multiaccount threads, mention nothing to the cheater until he is banned and whines on the forum about it, mostly cause I enjoy reading those threads.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Casul on May 01, 2016, 01:52:34 pm

Oberyn is a cunt but I can't agree more on this.

However adding this rule before the incident would have just prevented pandor from posting his videos and in the end he would have never been banned since those kind of modifications are not detectable, are they?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Uther Pendragon on May 01, 2016, 02:08:01 pm
Sucks that this rule was added during the twilight of crpg, but better late than never I guess. Many players (myself included) had sperged out numerous times before about this sort of blatant cheating. I think it already should have been covered under the "common sense" rule that modifying your client for ingame advantage = bannable offense.

I understand devs thought the other legitimate ways of modifying the game files mentioned were more important, which leads me to ask how the devs plan to enforce the rule, if at all. Will there finally be a file check during launch? Will it prevent the users of these cheats from playing at all or replace the modded files with default ones? It should be like the autoblock/multiaccount threads, mention nothing to the cheater until he is banned and whines on the forum about it, mostly cause I enjoy reading those threads.

It was actually covered by the common sense rule, at least for me, but as we saw from the Pandor thread, not everyone uses common sense; It's specified now to make it easier to understand why player can be banned for this.

And yes, at the moment enforcing it is iffy. By making it clear I want at least a couple people to rethink their decisions and treat it like night time abuse in Strat - not something we can enforce, but just common decency. If Dupre ever gets the powers to check it and either force default textures or just report the users, we'll look into it. Cmp was talking about the possiblity of something like a whitelist for mods, but it was years ago. :)
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 01, 2016, 02:13:43 pm
those kind of modifications are not detectable, are they?

Should be detectable. Though someone would need to implement the detection mechanism.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 01, 2016, 02:46:23 pm
Oberyn is a cunt but I can't agree more on this.

However adding this rule before the incident would have just prevented pandor from posting his videos and in the end he would have never been banned since those kind of modifications are not detectable, are they?

Pandor opened our eyes on little helps people used all the time over years like Merc member Burr1k.
Arrow mod existed here since 2012.
http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/mods-compatible-with-crpg-%28updated-sticky%29/
We just did not know about it cause we didnt play as archer...

And maybe you dont know but the 2h sword you use glow without wse2 because as always chadz cant make things without mistakes/think/ check everything before release. Anyway its easy to block. Crosshair is there broken too, I think.

On the other hand many people use laptops and get lags. They have to exchange earth and wall textures if they want play big starategus battles, so modifying textures can be nötig  because as always chadz cant rework his mod/wse2 and so on in order to make people enjoy the mod without lags.

First post allow modifications:
Quote
Will mean specificaly that - modifying items as it's done with the heirloom items, sound mods, custom item skins (changing the texture to fit your personal roleplay) is ok, removing weather effects, removing foliage, making buildings transparent, glowing items - not ok.


#freepandor
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Casul on May 01, 2016, 03:27:03 pm
And maybe you dont know but the 2h sword you use glow without wse2 because as always chadz cant make things without mistakes/think/ check everything before release.

I play with wse2 and all my posted screenshots from any time prove that iirc. It is even easier for the enemies to follow my swings since everyone has that bug.
Also to be fair, chadz didnt break it, he wasnt even really involved in the last patches (1 year + ). + cRPG launcher tells us to use WSE2 otherwise we might experience glitches.

For those who dont know, Claymore doesnt have texture if you play without wse2. Its simply white.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 01, 2016, 04:02:53 pm
It is even easier for the enemies to follow my swings since everyone has that bug.
...

That is the thing, I wanted let you know...
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Casul on May 01, 2016, 04:13:14 pm
That is the thing, I wanted let you know...

I thought you wanted to accuse ME of cheating/(bug abusing), nvm then  :oops:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 01, 2016, 04:53:53 pm
Hahaha holy shit I had completely missed the Pandor ban drama, read through a couple of threads concerning it, so much shadenfreude keks. I confirm though that this bundle of sticksry had been around since long before, as, again, many players had been ranting against it since it was first exposed, when the forums were still on Taleworlds site. I can understand why Pandor thought that this was not a bannable offense since no one had ever gotten banned for it before, despite screenshot and video proof. His arrogance and pride in his cheats was not entirely his fault, in the case of modifying these files for advantage it had always been indirectly condoned by admins and devs, or at least considered as a necessary evil. The ban on Pandor is arbitrary when you keep the past history of this issue in mind. If anything he was at least honest about it, unlike some other cheating bundle of stickss I could name.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 01, 2016, 05:39:09 pm
Will mean specificaly that - modifying items as it's done with the heirloom items, sound mods, custom item skins (changing the texture to fit your personal roleplay) is ok, removing weather effects, removing foliage, making buildings transparent, glowing items - not ok.

Elaborate on glowing. rainbow coloured arrows or even Pandor's arrows werent glowing.

And what if i want to roleplay personally as a stormtrooper? can i have laser beam arrows.. as long as they arent "glowing"? :P

And if you look at this disgusting video....
Which still has bushes , but transparent showing the outline only, and trees being modded like that. What would be the rules on that?

In my opinion these rules still gives room for "people" being idiots.

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 01, 2016, 05:51:08 pm
In that particular case you can tell his comp is barely handling a reasonable fps as it is with that level of detail. More like Scary Mod than anything. The lack of bushes and trees clearly gives an advantage, especially as ranged, and yeah, I would consider that a cheat. But it's not nearly equivalent to bright neon coloured weapons/arrows/bolts in terms of artificial advantage you get over other players. This shit is just common sense, something you seem to lack when it comes to crpg rules.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 01, 2016, 05:55:54 pm
In that particular case you can tell his comp is barely handling a reasonable fps as it is with that level of detail. More like Scary Mod than anything. The lack of bushes and trees clearly gives an advantage, especially as ranged, and yeah, I would consider that a cheat. But it's not nearly equivalent to bright neon coloured weapons/arrows/bolts in terms of artificial advantage you get over other players. This shit is just common sense, something you seem to lack when it comes to crpg rules.

I can see that coming from a player that plays the most OP class in c-rpg and only sperg rages about ranged. I bet removing bushes and having tree's and foilage "half transparent" like that, would work in your advantage over having colored weapons :P
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 01, 2016, 06:07:15 pm
It would be extremely OP cheat for cav in a couple of maps, but still more OP for ranged. I'm thinking about that one map that is just a fucking forest with a circle of stones in the middle, that one is a bitch at night, with no bushes or trees it would turn into a completely different map. It is common sense that this is a vastly bigger buff to a class that can hit from across the other side of the map than one that must close in to get a kill. I've had my doubts about some ranged players cheating bushes/trees based on that one map alone, but that could just be my inherent loathing of ranged biasing me.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 01, 2016, 06:13:30 pm
It would be extremely OP cheat for cav in a couple of maps, but still more OP for ranged. I'm thinking about that one map that is just a fucking forest with a circle of stones in the middle, that one is a bitch at night, with no bushes or trees it would turn into a completely different map. It is common sense that this is a vastly bigger buff to a class that can hit from across the other side of the map than one that must close in to get a kill. I've had my doubts about some ranged players cheating bushes/trees based on that one map alone, but that could just be my inherent loathing of ranged biasing me.

Ahh there we go, the common sense thing again  :P :P :P :P :P :P

This shit is just common sense, something you seem to lack when it comes to crpg rules.

Says the guy that got muted and banned before   :lol:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 01, 2016, 06:33:51 pm
I really hope they do a whitelist with their new game at the very least (also with crpg) so all these cheaters like Pandor and Jambi can't abuse modifications to make themselves have a huge advantage over other players instead of relying on actual skill.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 01, 2016, 06:39:48 pm
I really hope they do a whitelist with their new game at the very least (also with crpg) so all these cheaters like Pandor and Jambi can't abuse modifications to make themselves have a huge advantage over other players instead of relying on actual skill.
Young Kesh?  :P
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on May 01, 2016, 07:04:30 pm
But now he would not do this anymore because its forbidden  :!:

You are potentially right, but its still up to admins to decide if he would continue "in private" after being unbanned though. I do not hate Pandor but from the community-wide trolling he engaged it wouldnt be above him ))
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: McKli_PL on May 01, 2016, 07:20:06 pm
@Jambi
never saw this Sb vs Hre match, hahahahaha watching Akbar and Veselov running like a twats on tournament priceless [T]han you kind sir! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :D
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 01, 2016, 07:35:19 pm
Wow since its allowed now. i added a bunch of mods to CRPG. Look at my game now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t0Rp1f9BxM

At 0:47 Kratos adminship in action!  :lol: (grats btw Kratos :wink:)
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: dreadnok on May 01, 2016, 09:48:42 pm
A point about ban people who said the word "niger" in game on NA server.


Occitans are from Canada right? Canadas economy never based on slavery of black people and had never same anti black laws like USA. In Europe the situation is the same. I dont see why in Canada or Europe or Asia blacks should get more protection than other nations, races or whatever. Slavery, aparthed, the word friend, its mostly an US problem. How can you ban people from Canada because they used the n word, while there is a country called nigeria and some see called niger. friend this and niger that, this is part of the us hip hop music.

Look here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOv0ASKFQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x5ZRAVXxr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jE5TpN2bb8
Its even allowed to sing like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnMvz3mLXaA
All this come out of your us-culture into the world!


Win process against youtube and all the artists, then start to ban the world  :lol:
Canadians need own representation between admins  :idea:


So wrong. I hope your not american.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 01, 2016, 10:23:43 pm

So wrong. I hope your not american.

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: obnoxio on May 02, 2016, 01:14:42 am

So wrong. I hope your not american.

You're*
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Macropus on May 02, 2016, 12:06:06 pm
Don't want to sound selfish (haha, sounds like fish) or egoistic, but IMO any game texture modifications should be prohibited, since you can never draw a definite line between what gives you an advantage and what only improves the looks.
I mean, come on, why not play the game as it is.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 02, 2016, 01:47:57 pm
Nightingale isn't banned, and can continue being an item balancer/advisor if they want to.

Kinda sounds like :"Nightingale isnt on the team anymore, but can still bring me coffee in the morning"  :P

Don't want to sound selfish (haha, sounds like fish) or egoistic, but IMO any game texture modifications should be prohibited, since you can never draw a definite line between what gives you an advantage and what only improves the looks.
I mean, come on, why not play the game as it is.

First chadz tells me i can be whatever i want in his game... and now Uther tops it of with allowing mods to suit personal roleplay.

Why you got to hate on starwars Macropus.. why WHY! WHY!
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 02, 2016, 04:36:29 pm
The whole Nightingale thing is pretty lame.  Uther steps in and instead of working with her, the first thing he does is cover his ass by throwing her under the bus to appease some assholes who were spamming the N-word en masse on a server and got a measly two-day ban, even though many of them had prior records of abuse and trolling.  Considering how racist EU is, especially against Turks, you would think he would be a little more supportive of his admins for something that has been done before by Canary and other admins. 

Especially after over 4 years of solid, impartial service and not that biased admin shit in favor of your own clan like Artyem does (who never lost his adminship for supporting the racism and encouraging and participating in it himself in-game chat using the public admin chat ((I lost adminship for far far less)).  But hey, its politics!
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Panos_ on May 02, 2016, 05:24:42 pm
Considering how racist EU is, especially against Turks


Finally, someone recognized my work!
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: chesterotab on May 02, 2016, 05:52:36 pm
Racism is allowed now Kesh, get with the times.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: SayAttack on May 02, 2016, 06:29:08 pm
Racism is allowed now Kesh, get with the times.

Quote
im not politician, so i'm still free to say what i think
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 02, 2016, 06:42:15 pm
While Occitans are banned, this guy Kesh and his friends take over their fiefs.
Take a look at the strat map or past/future battles...

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on May 02, 2016, 07:09:38 pm
While Occitans are banned, this guy Kesh and his friends take over their fiefs.
Take a look at the strat map or past/future battles...

Someone is still banned?..
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 02, 2016, 07:16:43 pm
Someone is still banned?..
No idea if still banned but they lost already most their fief after ban, they have only 2 last, and under attack.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Gurgumul on May 02, 2016, 08:42:49 pm
All you n-words and your strat drama. You should be called f-words instead for caring so much about gay fiefs. Even the biggest tryhard a-words in this community don't care so much about boring as shit Strategus. I bet your s-words are the size of a peanut.
Word.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jarold on May 02, 2016, 09:08:06 pm
I missed a lot of drama, need to lurk more. Get off the forums guys, it used to be so lively on NA1. Now it's very lonely...
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Uther Pendragon on May 02, 2016, 10:11:47 pm
The whole Nightingale thing is pretty lame.  Uther steps in and instead of working with her, the first thing he does is cover his ass by throwing her under the bus to appease some assholes who were spamming the N-word en masse on a server and got a measly two-day ban, even though many of them had prior records of abuse and trolling.  Considering how racist EU is, especially against Turks, you would think he would be a little more supportive of his admins for something that has been done before by Canary and other admins. 

Especially after over 4 years of solid, impartial service and not that biased admin shit in favor of your own clan like Artyem does (who never lost his adminship for supporting the racism and encouraging and participating in it himself in-game chat using the public admin chat ((I lost adminship for far far less)).  But hey, its politics!

It never was about allowing or denying racism, I don't believe anyone honestly cares about it, other than people who want to use it for trolling. :rolleyes:
It's about 19 unnecessary bans that affected the entire NA population. Yes, they were initially idiotically long but they were reduced under the public pressure. But it doesn't matter, because the initial bad taste remains. Yes, they were dealt for a bannable offense. But it doesn't matter, because there are many times when we deal with bannable offences without bans.

I had a lengthy talk with Desire right after the event, and later after my nomination, additional talks with few other admins from EU and NA, and couple of players. I have nothing personal against Nightingale and long before the event we often talked, but I saw no other way. There was no space to work with her if she wasn't willing to admit to any wrongs on her part.

There is absolutely no excuse for banning 19 people, when it amounts to almost half the active population at the time. There are other ways to resolve it.

I am not covering my ass Kesh, there's nothing to cover, if people want to dislike me, they have plenty of other legitimate reasons :lol: I'm just drawing the consequences, and sorry, but I have the right to be worried after her posts like "If this is the nail to the NA cRPG coffin, so be it", which show a weird attitude for an admin to hold.

One thing we couldn't agree on is our approach towards the rules - while she leaned more towards upholding them no matter the opposition of rule breakers, I feel it's more important to adapt as the times change, so the game continues to supply what people want from it - fun. We're not some huge game with hundreds of faceless players where we can afford to discourage some of them from playing for minor infractions. I feel there is more to gain in a more lenient approach to the rules, and more often relying on player complaints rather than taking action ourselves, in appropriate cases.

In the coming days I want to make it a subject of discussion amongst the admins, regarding our approach towards the rules. You'll hear about it from me again)

I laugh at your accusation of anti-turkish racism in Europe by appointing the first turkish admin!

Artyem actually asked for removal after the incident, he doesn't wish to play anymore afaik, but deadmining an inactive person is redundant in my eyes.

This situation is not pretty but what is done is done, history will judge us))
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 02, 2016, 10:15:44 pm
No idea if still banned but they lost already most their fief after ban, they have only 2 last, and under attack.
Nobody is still banned. In general, people decided to stop playing because they were banned for thirty days, en masse, and even after the ban was lessened it would have been pretty gay to say jk guys we're playing again this is totally reasonable now, don't you think? The ban rollback was couched as a threat to start deleting accounts if anything like that happened again. This mod is a shit show and I'm sure everyone who still isn't playing (most of Frisia, Dracul, and Occitan, along with some other random people who left in solidarity I guess?) is happier overall.

I did not quit, and I am not happy. Though, Mossbackistan remains a final bastion of Freedom in Strat.

Now that there isn't any threat to them (Frisia, Dracul, and Occitan) that worthless weeaboo faction Pars came back to hug it out with FCC in former GOBBLIN Northern Empire SODOMY fiefs, that is what you are seeing my friend.


Uther seems like a really cool guy.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 02, 2016, 10:17:33 pm
No idea if still banned but they lost already most their fief after ban, they have only 2 last, and under attack.

Who are you?  We waited until after ban was over.   They quit, we were already at war with them.  Don't be foolish.  And Arowaine long ago was not banned, has access to site since he applied for his own battles and hired himself (not pseudonym) even though he didn't show, then pretended he couldn't access site.  No one is banned.

Also, they were in the process of giving most of their troops and gear and gold to DRZ (like they need it) as the good overlords they were.  This is taking it away from NA and good fights there, so we tried to stop that.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 02, 2016, 10:25:11 pm
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Bla bla bla omg this guy still head admin!?  :P :P :P :P :P Kratos should be head admin instead of the head admin!
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: the real god emperor on May 02, 2016, 10:27:04 pm
I laugh at your accusation of anti-turkish racism in Europe by appointing the first turkish admin!

I feel used.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Kirman on May 02, 2016, 11:03:55 pm
I feel used.

Say the word Kratos! I'll defend our glorious nation on this specific forum with my trash talk&rage combination...
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: the real god emperor on May 02, 2016, 11:21:09 pm
Say the word Kratos! I'll defend our glorious nation on this specific forum with my trash talk&rage combination...

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 03, 2016, 12:05:59 am
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Where is your left hand?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 03, 2016, 12:18:32 am
Where is your left hand?

It is a sunnah to use the right hand for noble matters, and the left hand for "lowly" matters.  :P
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: the real god emperor on May 03, 2016, 12:18:52 am
Where is your left hand?

Part of the message in the picture.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Kelugarn on May 03, 2016, 12:19:49 am
Where is your left hand?

visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 03, 2016, 07:34:48 am
All you n-words and your strat drama. You should be called f-words instead for caring so much about gay fiefs. Even the biggest tryhard a-words in this community don't care so much about boring as shit Strategus. I bet your s-words are the size of a peanut.
Word.
I like big battles, I would join a server with 40+ players, now I often see less than 20.
For me crpg ist mostly strat, eu1 is just for level up when there is nothing in tv.
I was about to leave but then we won this battle so I decided to help admins/developers to get more people into strat so I wrote unban that and this people, make changes to strat...
Before Butan can fix strat it can be that there will be nobody there to try it out.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 03, 2016, 09:36:31 am
Also, they were in the process of giving most of their troops and gear and gold to DRZ (like they need it) as the good overlords they were.  This is taking it away from NA and good fights there, so we tried to stop that.

By the way if any Druzhina or DRZ proxies (Syrian clan?) want to stop by my fiefs in the Northern steppe you can have them and all my stuff.

Not joking.

Let me know though please so I can cancel the upgrade reset I was going to use to make meme looms ('bout to be the feathered hat capitol of the world otherwise).
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 03, 2016, 09:58:44 am
I feel used.

Token Turk.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 03, 2016, 10:33:39 am

(1)You seem to have adopted a robotic hardline approach to enforcing rules that might work under a AAA game where you oversee thousands of lifeless player names, but we are at a family size now where common sense and understanding > self-destructive application of rules.
(2)Everyone will tell you until you finally admit it that the extreme duration of the bans in the n-word affair was wrong, the fact that the bans were supposedly obviously going to be reduced to normal-heavy duration all along was wrong, and not apologizing +
(3)threatening to delete an entire community of the game over something that was wrong was wrong.

Apologies for the long post.

(1) I had adopted this like you said because this robotic system leaves very little room for inconsistencies and biased decisions for people to complain about (which they still do anyway lol) That said for the past 3 years or so this system has worked in c-RPG and the most populated NA server for native warband to date (which has even less understanding and common sense factor in enforcement as we all are aware of. However, this isn't about GK servers so back to the point. Clearly this doesn't work in cRPG any longer. I can apologize for not realizing this structured system was no longer viable.

(2) Do you honestly believe the duration matters at all? I could have banned 19 people for 1 hour and I would still, be right here in this same position. Now, I did admit I might have over done it by hard lining, robotic approach to enforcement and in most people's thoughts are that: I'm nothing but flat out wrong in punishing these people. I simply can't agree with this belief. For this I am sorry but what you are wanting me to apologize for is not something I can or would apologize for.

(3)This is something I can apologize for; taking the advice of someone over me was wrong, I should have been able to inductively reason that (19)(2 day)or (7)30 day bans is less than character wipes; but as most can not understand I am in fact human and mistakes occur when you are human. If you think the threat to your characters is over simply because I was removed you should know; I didn't create the notion that characters should be wiped. Nor do I agree with it in any way.

(4)Uther steps in and instead of working with her, the first thing he does is cover his ass by throwing her under the bus to appease some assholes who were spamming the N-word en masse on a server and got a measly two-day ban, even though many of them had prior records of abuse and trolling. 
(5) Considering how racist EU is, especially against Turks, you would think he would be a little more supportive of his admins for something that has been done before by Canary and other admins. 
(6)Especially after over 4 years of solid, impartial service and not that biased admin shit in favor of your own clan like Artyem does (who never lost his adminship for supporting the racism and encouraging and participating in it himself in-game chat using the public admin chat ((I lost adminship for far far less)).

(4) I came to this conclusion quickly as well and confronted Uthyr for this same reason as it was nothing but disrespect and a game of politics. However, after discussing it with him further, it no longer seemed as such but more of the main problem of miscommunication continuing to infest the hierarchy. (5) It is not proper to judge one person's character based on a generalization of all people in a group. That said; He has made his position clear; All other admins that have done this in the past are incorrect in doing so; condemning the enforcement of past admins; most recently myself and Dupre's just prior to my incident and many other admins before Uthyr. I don't completely agree with the way he handled this situation but I can respect him for not being completely two faced in private chat.

(6) I wouldn't say I am impartial and it is definitely not possible to assume such.

(7)It never was about allowing or denying racism
(8)It's about 19 unnecessary bans that affected the entire NA population. Yes, they were initially idiotically long but they were reduced under the public pressure.
(9)had talks with few other admins from EU and NA, and couple of players.
(10)I saw no other way.
(11) I'm just drawing the consequences, and sorry, but I have the right to be worried after her posts like "If this is the nail to the NA cRPG coffin, so be it"[/b], which show a weird attitude for an admin to hold.
(12) One thing we couldn't agree on is our approach towards the rules - while she leaned more towards upholding them no matter the opposition of rule breakers, I feel it's more important to adapt as the times change, so the game continues to supply what people want from it - fun. We're not some huge game with hundreds of faceless players where we can afford to discourage some of them from playing for minor infractions. I feel there is more to gain in a more lenient approach to the rules, and more often relying on player complaints rather than taking action ourselves, in appropriate cases.
(13) Artyem actually asked for removal after the incident, he doesn't wish to play anymore afaik, but deadmining an inactive person is redundant in my eyes.

(7) People will come to this conclusion whether you like it or not. (8)  Which is it? I've been told by several things; I was removed for "19 unnecessary bans" or the opposite, "I was removed for the duration, not the count."  That is what I'm honestly confused about. I can probably safely assume it is the product of both, but even in the admin forum no one denies these people where not innocent bystanders. Everyone agreed, The hard-lined system I relied on was too harsh in nature. So I reduced the ban times because of advice from a combination of admins after my post in the NA section. Not as you say "public pressure"

(9) I wonder which NA and EU admins and players you relied on to make this decision. I can think of no NA admins that would be impartial. I don't know enough EU admins and most probably don't entirely care about this situation. (10) You seemed to think there was another way in allowing me time to adjust to the new meta for light punishment and non robotic enforcement; sure that isn't my idea of ideal administration but you could have given me a chance to adapt but you "forgot" the conversation and must have forgotten me agreeing the intial duration was too harsh and that I would try to change my way of enforcement; I mean they did happen in the same conversation so technically speaking if it is true you forgot then reasonable I guess.

(11) You should understand that it does appear like you are trying to cover your ass; I don't think that is your fault, just the situation. The quotation there is me replying to players which said I had killed the NA proportion of the mod deciding to reply to that was a mistake but it is a hypothetical situation where I said "if" meaning I didn't actually believe this to be true. Though, Yes I can agree this coming from an admin looks "bad". Even still the quotation is actually this. "You all have to realize if this is truly the nail in the coffin for NA cRPG; that it was truly dead a long time ago. Allowing people to break rules is never the answer even if they are the last 20 people."

(12) I don't mean to point fingers, but every single admin is faulty in this sense. We have some admins muting people for saying "mean things". Some admins banning people for racism (still). Some admins threatening character wipes. Some admins protecting their friends and not enforcing rules on them. We have other admins that break the rules to try to provoke responses. Admins that slander each other all over the forums for no real reason. We have admins that get inebriated and break the rules which have required them to be temporarily removed from servers in the past. I get it though and I can't judge you too harshly. You have walked into your new position with all of these problems that remain and instantly decided because I disagree with you on some fundamental level that it is impossible to work with me.

(13) Had you removed Artyem and me, it would have looked a lot more professional. At the moment, it just looks like disrespect and politics. Saying it is redundant to remove someone that no longer plays is odd to me. So the logical conclusion here is; had I said "I quit" you wouldn't have bothered removing me? Besides,  Artyem actually broke the rules while acting as "head admin" there are more admins that need to be on this list of "admin changes"  than just I; if you believe my behavior is entirely out of line and that I have no excuse for it. Not to mention originally I suggested removing everyone involved as we all had behaved inadequately. As you say what is done is done I suppose.

TL:DR - the dead disagree.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 03, 2016, 11:53:34 am
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bla bla bla... why take so long to explain yourself. I thought you said you didnt care about what others think about you, or if the game dies... yet you write huge walls of TL:DR
It seems like your mega butthurt and sad about losing your interwebs powers, but i recommend you leave it behind you.
You should come to the realization that I don't care what people think.

I don't care if this game dies.

Seems like you didnt care about alot of things, when you had other admins holding a hand above your head. And felt untouchable cause of some interweb powertrip.
But now that you've been stripped, all this sudden you seem to be on damage control.

You should have taken the advice of the plebs, they told you before to take responsibility for your mistakes... and acknowledge them, but you didnt care.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 03, 2016, 12:26:56 pm

bla bla bla... why take so long to explain yourself. I thought you said you didnt care about what others think about you, or if the game dies... yet you write huge walls of TL:DR
It seems like your mega butthurt and sad about losing your interwebs powers, but i recommend you leave it behind you.
Seems like you didnt care about alot of things, when you had other admins holding a hand above your head. And felt untouchable cause of some interweb powertrip.
But now that you've been stripped, all this sudden you seem to be on damage control.

You should have taken the advice of the plebs, they told you before to take responsibility for your mistakes... and acknowledge them, but you didnt care.

Again, here you are. I post something and you just feel internally obligated to create a post which ignores the entire purpose of the post above it. I'm not explaining myself; I'm replying to posts that either were in direct reply to me or I disagree with on some level and pointing out specifically which parts I disagree with then explaining why I disagree with them. It remains factual that I don't care what people think of me as a person under normal circumstances. It is when they are incorrect about something I was involved with and assume things is when I call bullshit.

It is true that after several days of people insulting me personally, spreading false information, and slandering my actions as an admin, that I lost my cool and said some things I shouldn't have but it should have been more than clear this is what was happening and I allowed people to take advantage of that. Shame on me right?

 If you are looking for me to say "sorry for having admined" then you won't get what you are looking for.

As for me taking responsibility. I have more than done so for all of my actions as an admin.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 03, 2016, 12:46:27 pm
Again, here you are. I post something and you just feel internally obligated to crea..

I post and respond to alot of people, i dont feel obligated.. its simply something one does on a forum. You're no more special then anyone else i reply to.


I'm not looking or asking anything from you. I outed myself to you before, and said i didnt think you were suited to be admin, and now you no longer are an admin. It would be spiteful if i'd asked for more, when i already think justice has served. I know you would love to think otherwise... but i simply dont hate you or anything.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 03, 2016, 12:52:04 pm
Nightingale your problem is trying to argue rationally with trolls in the first place. Just call them, accurately, retarded cunts and be done with it. Sadly the playerbase is so small now that these retarded cunts are proportionaly a much larger part of it than they used to be. There's really no point to playing a game when almost the only people left are these circlejerking idiots who treat public servers like personal chatroom hangouts, with all the "hilarious" in-jokes, meme spewing and trolling that entails.

I have no doubt they prodded and poked and provoked Nightingale into it, only to cry crocodile tears about how tyranical and opressive the decision was afterwards, typical troll tactics, similar to pre-school girls getting boys into trouble. After all, here was an admin "robotically" enforcing the rules, i.e not a proper troll incubator like the vast majority of other NA admins.

People in NA have just accepted that this is a stagnant, dying game, with practically no chance of getting new blood and therefore incestuous metagaming bullshit is now a normal and integral part and must not be interfered with by admins. That's all this "family size" and "understanding" euphemistic bullshit means. The game is now so small that removing cancerous tumour behaviour, something that would've been matter of fact a few years ago, is prohibitive because it would kill the game itself. If the state of the playerbase is so dire that there's more cancer than flesh, well, that kind of speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 03, 2016, 01:14:49 pm

...
 If you are looking for me to say "sorry for having admined" then you won't get what you are looking for.
...


You banned 19 people for no real reason for 30 days, they left the mod. You lost your admin powers.  :lol:
Now I understand how some policemen in USA could shoot children who had toy pistols, they just admined... :rolleyes:

nobrainnopain.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 03, 2016, 01:28:36 pm
You banned 19 people for no real reason for 30 days, they left the mod. You lost your admin powers.  :lol:
Now I understand how some policemen in USA could shoot children who had toy pistols, they just admined... :rolleyes:

nobrainnopain.

Dafuq! HAHAHA! dude

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 03, 2016, 01:29:16 pm
You banned 19 people for no real reason for 30 days, they left the mod. You lost your admin powers.  :lol:
Now I understand how some policemen in USA could shoot children who had toy pistols, they just admined... :rolleyes:

nobrainnopain.

It's been almost a month now several threads created about this you should at least have been able comprehend the basics... but you have failed; you are not alone though so don't worry.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 03, 2016, 01:48:20 pm
It's been almost a month now several threads created about this you should at least have been able comprehend the basics... but you have failed; you are not alone though so don't worry.
I saw a thread where you banned them... even when someone later reduced the ban it doesnt matter.
http://forum.melee.org/na-%28official%29/unban-everyone-banned-in-northern-empire-v-brd-strat-fight/
 :lol:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 03, 2016, 01:58:09 pm
ugh... I should really stop reading this thread. D:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 03, 2016, 02:16:29 pm
nobrainnopain.

Not quite true.

You obviously fulfill the former statement, while I get a terrible head ache reading through your posts.

I am afraid you will have to include the individuals each statement is referring to in order to correct it.


ugh... I should really stop reading this thread. D:

Dito. There should be an ignore option for individual threads, so they won't come up on your feed at all.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 03, 2016, 02:33:02 pm

I am afraid you will have to include
no
I get a terrible head ache reading through your posts.
I ignore your posts if you dont quote me.
What was your reason to quote me?
Im just  :lol: about nightingale, read or not who cares.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on May 03, 2016, 03:36:47 pm
Nightingale your problem is trying to argue rationally with trolls in the first place. Just call them, accurately, retarded cunts and be done with it. Sadly the playerbase is so small now that these retarded cunts are proportionaly a much larger part of it than they used to be. There's really no point to playing a game when almost the only people left are these circlejerking idiots who treat public servers like personal chatroom hangouts, with all the "hilarious" in-jokes, meme spewing and trolling that entails.

I have no doubt they prodded and poked and provoked Nightingale into it, only to cry crocodile tears about how tyranical and opressive the decision was afterwards, typical troll tactics, similar to pre-school girls getting boys into trouble. After all, here was an admin "robotically" enforcing the rules, i.e not a proper troll incubator like the vast majority of other NA admins.

People in NA have just accepted that this is a stagnant, dying game, with practically no chance of getting new blood and therefore incestuous metagaming bullshit is now a normal and integral part and must not be interfered with by admins. That's all this "family size" and "understanding" euphemistic bullshit means. The game is now so small that removing cancerous tumour behaviour, something that would've been matter of fact a few years ago, is prohibitive because it would kill the game itself. If the state of the playerbase is so dire that there's more cancer than flesh, well, that kind of speaks for itself.

Even in recent massively played games, near perma-banning entire groups of players for saying a word would be stupid to a hell of a lot of people.
It would simply be overlooked because there would not be enough persons complaining about it.

Advantage of a small game is that we can shed most politically incorrect bullshit and just have fun like a group of friends, like a family.
You couldnt fit in this group anymore, you quit, you rage on the forum all year long...
Hell, you cant even fit on the off-topic section, man must it be hard to be you.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 03, 2016, 03:38:47 pm
Wouldn't mind a link, but not suprised, if you imagine trolls as a clique of prepubescent catty little bitches their actions make perfect sense, right down to the fake agrieved victim schtick. Apparently saying "friend" was a revolutionary stand for freedom and apple pie and not a bunch of cunts retroactively finding excuses for shitting up a public server with their autism.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 03, 2016, 03:39:39 pm
Advantage of a small game is that we can shed most politically incorrect bullshit and just have fun like a group of friends, like a family.
You couldnt fit in this group anymore, you quit, you rage on the forum all year long...
Hell, you cant even fit on the off-topic section, man must it be hard to be you.

Lol yeah whatever will I do without the comforting embrace of the crpg community. Anyways you fuckers won't get rid of me that easily, just because crpg is a putrescent zombie doesn't mean I won't play KM.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: hellou on May 03, 2016, 03:58:36 pm
Even in recent massively played games, near perma-banning entire groups of players for saying a word would be stupid to a hell of a lot of people.

...

Thank you.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 03, 2016, 04:16:54 pm
Lol yeah whatever will I do without the comforting embrace of the crpg community. Anyways you fuckers won't get rid of me that easily, just because crpg is a putrescent zombie doesn't mean I won't play KM.
We like to call OKAM actually :wink:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 03, 2016, 04:21:21 pm


Artyem actually asked for removal after the incident, he doesn't wish to play anymore afaik, but deadmining an inactive person is redundant in my eyes.


It takes all of two seconds to get rid of an admin that purposefully and willfully broke the rules and encouraged others to do so.  Plenty of people leave and then come back, this really does look like favoritism and many of us don't want artyem adminning when he comes back - he only ever favors his own clan and friends - notorious for this.  Just do your job and get rid of him.  Plenty of people have quit like this before (baby-raging) and then come back.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Porthos on May 03, 2016, 04:52:10 pm
I agree that n-word drama was quite hilarious, but just like every c-rpg drama it has its peak, and it was passed. Now it is more like spinning around the same place over and over, without making any sence. I dunno why do you still feel the need to discuss it - Dupre provided the logs (http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/unban-everyone-banned-in-northern-empire-v-brd-strat-fight/msg1221515/#msg1221515) from the very start, and everyone who has their eyes open could see what it was about:
(click to show/hide)
Once again I think it was not about racism (I'm not american, so I'm not sure if I can discuss on that matter, but still, here in Russia, we have some racistic/obscene/forbidden words that could get you banned from public media/internet communities/online video games, so I think I can draw an analogy. And in the end, if you would ban like 4 people who started the mess all for 2 days, then nobody would come to mind to accuse you of being wrong.

Anyway, that's not what I wanted to say. As far as some people stated the "unfair advantage" matter on the previous pages , I should add to that the banner outlines thingy. It is a legal WSE2 feature, but it gives a massive advantage, that's for sure. People hiding in the bushes can be easily seen with a gigantic gloving circle above them. Or if you are an archer/crossbowman all you need is to shoot slightly below the enemie's banner to get an easy headshot. And so on. I'm playing with this feature on since like forever simply because I never was used to Native, where you can't enable banners on enemies, and because I felt the need to spot on the battlefield some friends of mine, like Macropus and others, just to hunt 'em down when they're on the enemies' side :lol:. The only problem with the banner outlines described here (http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/banner-outlines/msg921278/#msg921278) (yes, it is pain to play with them on snowy/foggy maps), and by the responces you can easily see that this feature considered as a legal cheat, and imo if there'll be something like the launcher check to disallow people to play with the textures, then this thing should be removed as well.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 03, 2016, 05:17:15 pm
All I can say about this drama is that Nightingale did what was right, and I'd do exactly the same if I were in his shoes. I can't understand why he is being sanctioned for this.

Imo crpg went to shit when people started to implement the made up rule of "majority is always right and untouchable" anyway. One can only congratulate an admin for reminding the masses that following the herd isn't always necessarily the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: njames89 on May 03, 2016, 05:54:06 pm
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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 03, 2016, 06:09:02 pm
20 people got banned for around 30 days? Jesus, NA jail sentences..
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Yeldur on May 03, 2016, 06:38:17 pm
What exactly happened in regards to Nightingale, I don't really think I paid any attention to what happened.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on May 03, 2016, 06:52:26 pm
20 people got banned for around 30 days? Jesus, NA jail sentences..

Most if all were lessened to 2 days shortly after.
Drama still happened as you can see.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Grytviken on May 03, 2016, 07:00:14 pm
All I can say about this drama is that Nightingale did what was right, and I'd do exactly the same if I were in his shoes. I can't understand why he is being sanctioned for this.

Imo crpg went to shit when people started to implement the made up rule of "majority is always right and untouchable" anyway. One can only congratulate an admin for reminding the masses that following the herd isn't always necessarily the right thing to do.

People seem to forget that this is a multiplayer game that requires players for the game to remain alive. On a server that usually has less than 20 players on at prime-time banning 20 players for 30 days and ruining a strat battle for "trolling" after provoking them is just dumb. There is no shortage of admins on NA, in fact while other admins were trying to handle the situation by just muting the morons he stepped in and started passing out 30 day bans provoking them even further and didn't stop until he banned 20 players for 30 day and then banned the head admin of NA.

 It's nothing personal against Desire, there are just too many admins on NA as it is, and every one of them would have and could have handled the situation better, which is why it's better if Desire just doesn't have admin. Desire is a ban happy admin and even admitted he doesn't care if the mod dies, this is not the kind of admin we need, he has no common sense.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: McKli_PL on May 03, 2016, 07:39:32 pm
People seem to forget that this is a multiplayer game that requires players for the game to remain alive. On a server that usually has less than 20 players on at prime-time banning 20 players for 30 days and ruining a strat battle for "trolling" after provoking them is just dumb. There is no shortage of admins on NA, in fact while other admins were trying to handle the situation by just muting the morons he stepped in and started passing out 30 day bans provoking them even further and didn't stop until he banned 20 players for 30 day and then banned the head admin of NA.

 It's nothing personal against Desire, there are just too many admins on NA as it is, and every one of them would have and could have handled the situation better, which is why it's better if Desire just doesn't have admin. Desire is a ban happy admin and even admitted he doesn't care if the mod dies, this is not the kind of admin we need, he has no common sense.
rofl that's why giving an admin rights to forum warriors who need to compensate being sh1t in this game is one big joke
Long live our Eu DTV ADMIN(idi na hui pizdec  :mrgreen:) which he has more common sense than all Na admins.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Grytviken on May 03, 2016, 07:57:34 pm
rofl that's why giving an admin rights to forum warriors who need to compensate being sh1t in this game is one big joke
Long live our Eu DTV ADMIN(idi na hui pizdec  :mrgreen:) which he has more common sense than all Na admins.

Exactly, common sense should be used.


"We don't trust you to admin but you can still alter the game." I'm not sure that is wise? 

Srsly, saying smug things like "I don't care if the game dies" then stuff like this makes people wonder. Hopefully not being able to ban people has no bearing on your item balancing. I guarantee when people are truly ruining the ability for people to play the game and people post legit ban requests they will get dealt with.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Yeldur on May 03, 2016, 08:15:10 pm
20 people got banned for around 30 days? Jesus, NA jail sentences..
Also, Gravoth, what in the fucking hell is your profile picture.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 03, 2016, 08:17:29 pm
Also, Gravoth, what in the fucking hell is your profile picture.

Plebs who havent watched Berserk dont deserve to know.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Yeldur on May 03, 2016, 08:20:09 pm
Plebs who havent watched Berserk dont deserve to know.
I have to agree I am a pleb. I'll get round to it one day..
One day....


Also, from the sounds of it, players were being cunts, didn't listen, so they get assfucked and then whined about it like little bitches. Tbf sounds like they fully deserved it.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Falka on May 03, 2016, 08:26:48 pm
The thing is, once you've warned and then banned the first person for doing it you cant back out.

I enjoy TS shenanigans as much as anyone, but deliberately getting yourself banned and whining like a little bitch on the forums about it. Come on.

If I saw some admin giving permabans for saying "friend", I would say friend too.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Rando on May 03, 2016, 09:09:59 pm
You'd think all these people playing devil's advocate in this case would've shut up when they saw her admin was gone. That should say everything that needs to be said.

Strategus is now a wasteland in EU and NA. This event, which the admin team has admitted was well beyond wrongful punishment, caused one of the longest standing NA admins to lose their position and one of the biggest NA factions (Also the biggest driving force for NA strat's life), to quit. Just look at strat now, it's a joke, just as bad or even worse than the last dead strat.

We're talking about an admin that had been playing by their own rulebook for a long time. Constantly said things like, "I don't want to enforce this rule, so I won't." or "I wanna see how far I can go before they take away my admin."

This is likely the primest example we've seen yet of why you don't give children positions of power. This was some Garrys Mod RP donator admin level shit. I'll make it clear I don't hate this person at all, just like I wouldn't hate a spider for biting me or something. It's just in its nature.

You can say that the players broke the rules, and yeah, they did. If players were perfect, there would be no need for admins. It's the admin's job to minimize the damage of a situation like this, and the exact opposite was done, on purpose.

I just wanted to leave this message to admonish the misguided folks who are toasting to this event, toasting to the person that actually contributed to making a large amount of players leave this game.

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 03, 2016, 09:16:53 pm
If they actually had motivation to play Strat, they wouldn't have quit.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 03, 2016, 09:35:35 pm
If they actually had motivation to play Strat, they wouldn't have quit.
What does that even mean
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Rando on May 03, 2016, 09:45:42 pm
If they actually had motivation to play Strat, they wouldn't have quit.

Here's something that might be foreign to you: It's called principle. They quit because of their principles, they're not gonna invest time into a game where something like that could possibly happen. Good on them. They had the motivation to play strat, and they probably would've won if you ask me (someone who was a neutral faction towards them, and possibly would've fought them at some point). What they DIDN'T have the motivation for, or should I say tolerance for, was dealing with childish admins who think it's okay to ban 20 people in one sitting over what really amounts to a minor offense.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 03, 2016, 11:31:58 pm
You'd think all these people playin...

Here's something that might be foreign to you: It's called principle. They quit because of their principles, they're not gonna invest time into a game where something like that could possibly happen. Good on them. They had the motivation to play strat, and they probably would've won if you ask me (someone who was a neutral faction towards them, and possibly would've fought them at some point). What they DIDN'T have the motivation for, or should I say tolerance for, was dealing with childish admins who think it's okay to ban 20 people in one sitting over what really amounts to a minor offense.

I like your style of looking further then only just events and facts. But most people on this forum are to young to understand unfortunally, or stuck in left brain analytic cookie cutter mentality.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 04, 2016, 12:32:44 am
Here's something that might be foreign to you: It's called principle. They quit because of their principles, they're not gonna invest time into a game where something like that could possibly happen. Good on them. They had the motivation to play strat, and they probably would've won if you ask me (someone who was a neutral faction towards them, and possibly would've fought them at some point). What they DIDN'T have the motivation for, or should I say tolerance for, was dealing with childish admins who think it's okay to ban 20 people in one sitting over what really amounts to a minor offense.
Sooo... they all went dipshit and spammed the chat with 'friend' out of principle too? :lol:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 04, 2016, 12:46:51 am
Here's something that might be foreign to you: It's called principle. They quit because of their principles, they're not gonna invest time into a game where something like that could possibly happen. Good on them. They had the motivation to play strat, and they probably would've won if you ask me (someone who was a neutral faction towards them, and possibly would've fought them at some point). What they DIDN'T have the motivation for, or should I say tolerance for, was dealing with childish admins who think it's okay to ban 20 people in one sitting over what really amounts to a minor offense.

I really wonder who is more childish here. Peeps who jumped on the prohibited word bandwagon without a second thought or the person who punished them because he was assigned to that position for punishing such actions in the first place?

Also does anybody really believe people just slammed the door and left out of principle? Nope, they left because they were only here due to habit and a tiny bit of obsession just like all of us. The few remaining people still play only because they can't find a reason good enough to stop already. Those who left finally found a reason, which is good for them.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 04, 2016, 01:09:07 am
Also does anybody really believe people just slammed the door and left out of principle? Nope, they left because they were only here due to habit and a tiny bit of obsession just like all of us. The few remaining people still play only because they can't find a reason good enough to stop already. Those who left finally found a reason, which is good for them.

Would that we all could be so lucky.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Grytviken on May 04, 2016, 01:11:10 am
I really wonder who is more childish here. Peeps who jumped on the prohibited word bandwagon without a second thought or the person who punished them because he was assigned to that position for punishing such actions in the first place?

The answer is everyone. Desire inflamed the situation by not working with the other admins that were trying to do the sensible thing, which was mute the trouble makers. If people tried to avoid the mutes they could have then be banned and noone would have said anything, but they didn't and Desire jumped to 30 day+ bans. Desire even banned the head NA admin for telling people to not say "N*****".  :lol: Absolutely zero common sense.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Halk on May 04, 2016, 01:12:55 am
Cmon, admin fukd up and got removed end of story
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Macropus on May 04, 2016, 01:15:21 am
The whole concept of playing without typing the N-word in the chat seems quite easy to understand, I think I could manage to play on NA without getting banned like that, wonder why these american guys found it too hard not to fail.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 04, 2016, 01:22:44 am
God damn people are dense as hell;
not 19 for 30
8 for 30
rest 1-10 days.
"NA head admin" - 30 days
After the "head admin" decided to join in roughly 9 more people were banned. (people with no ban record)
After the fact: I reduced the bans to just 2 days (hesitantly because I know they all know what they were doing.)

It doesn't take much intelligence to see exactly what happened in this situation.

@Salad fork: It's been like a month and you've been all over my ass about it yet you still can't get a single fact correct about the entire thing. You'd think if you were going to hound someone for anything at all you'd at least get a single correct piece of it down. To me it seems you are getting your information from a source that isn't credible.

@Rando: Yes when I came back after a hiatus; I no longer wanted admin I tried to lose it by banning JayJrod (my friend) for being Canadian. That did not work so I stopped. As for the "I don't want to enforce that rule so I don't: we are talking about the new meta for delaying; I don't like the way "delaying" is handled I would enforce it the old way just not the new way of forcing someone to suicide into a broken flag. I'm not even going to post in reply to your explanation of principle.

@Portos: Unfortunately I feel obligated because these same people have the reading comprehension of a pre-schooler or perhaps some mental disorder that prevents them from retaining information.

It is when they are incorrect about something I was involved with and assume things is when I call bullshit.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Falka on May 04, 2016, 01:35:27 am
Cmon, admin fukd up and got removed end of story

And where's the fun in that?

All I can say about this drama is that Nightingale did what was right, and I'd do exactly the same if I were in his shoes

You mean you'd permaban people for saying "friend"?

The whole concept of playing without typing the N-word in the chat seems quite easy to understand

True, but I'd say it's not that suprising that people overracted when permbans were given for a minor chat abuse.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: RD_Professor on May 04, 2016, 01:54:59 am
I'd like to sheep myself into the popular opinion, but I'm unsure of what it actually is. I'll have to be crafty in stating my opinion, then.

Nightingale was an admin. Now they are not. People were banned. A few people left. Some players respect Nightingale for the bans. Others are mad about them. Uthyr removed Nightingale. Some players thought it was unfair. Other people deemed it correct. There is also a DTV tournament coming up. It has some good prizes.

Alright, that's my very passionate opinion. Don't hate me for it, please.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 04, 2016, 02:20:56 am
I'd like to sheep myself into the popular opinion, but I'm unsure of what it actually is. I'll have to be crafty in stating my opinion, then.

Nightingale was an admin. Now they are not. People were banned. A few people left. Some players respect Nightingale for the bans. Others are mad about them. Uthyr removed Nightingale.

And CRPG lived happily ever after, with Uther overlooking us  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWDnPFzM4MQ
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 04, 2016, 02:31:48 am
God damn people are dense as hell;
not 19 for 30
8 for 30
rest 1-10 days.
"NA head admin" - 30 days
After the "head admin" decided to join in roughly 9 more people were banned. (people with no ban record)
After the fact: I reduced the bans to just 2 days (hesitantly because I know they all know what they were doing.)

Do you want a bot that automatically posts this every 2 hours?

I guess that would reduce your time wasted by at least 80%.
And maybe at some point all these people still complaining and bitching will finally get it into their thick skulls.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 04, 2016, 03:28:44 am
Yes please.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Relit on May 04, 2016, 03:47:15 am
Here's something that might be foreign to you: It's called principle. They quit because of their principles, they're not gonna invest time into a game where something like that could possibly happen. Good on them. They had the motivation to play strat, and they probably would've won if you ask me (someone who was a neutral faction towards them, and possibly would've fought them at some point). What they DIDN'T have the motivation for, or should I say tolerance for, was dealing with childish admins who think it's okay to ban 20 people in one sitting over what really amounts to a minor offense.

I quit because my friends were banned for reasons I disagreed with and with what I think are unfair punishments. Even if they were reduced, it should never have happened. I wish I had been at this incident and I could have got my first ban on record too.

Now I am just hanging out on the forums waiting for Stellaris and Hearts of Iron 4 to come out.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Deltah on May 04, 2016, 03:55:05 am
New changes seem to be quite sound.
Dracul(for the most part) has quit the game, but I'm happy to leave the community to Uther. I think he has a good head on his shoulders and will do good by this mod until it dies.
Look to Uther for guidance, as he will lead you peacefully into that cold dark night.
I've spent many years of my life with you people, and they were damned good ones. I suppose now I'll finally move on to greener pastures and brighter futures.

Thanks for the memories.

Sincerely,
The Ass Prince
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 04, 2016, 04:16:07 am
Stellaris

Hit me up?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Havelle on May 04, 2016, 04:24:53 am
I read a few pages back and don't know exactly what the argument is now, but some of the Euros here seem to have the misconception that a bunch of bad players, griefers and memekid types were the people banned when it was pretty much all of NA's current(now past lol) tryhard allstars.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 04, 2016, 06:38:30 am
I read a few pages back and don't know exactly what the argument is now, but some of the Euros here seem to have the misconception that a bunch of bad players, griefers and memekid types were the people banned when it was pretty much all of NA's current(now past lol) tryhard allstars.

Lol, dream on.

Also, these same guys that "quit", still griefing and trolling.  Desire was one of the few admins left that stood up them since they have over 3 admins in their factions condoning and supporting their behavior.  Havelle, Deltah, and Rando (3 of the last 4 posters saying how they said or supported saying N word on "principle" and glad to see new head admin) all are part of the same group of trollers - some of their group just poll-banned off entire enemy team in strat battle to win after they started losing horrendously as such bad fighter because "they don't really care about strat and Havelle's village because they "quit".  It was Havelle's village and was part of the poll-banning.  I worked for weeks to build that army and gear and they will only get a slap on wrist at best.

http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-request-(havelle-daruvian-cup457-among-others)/ (http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-request-(havelle-daruvian-cup457-among-others)/)

http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/really-70461/ (http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/really-70461/)

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1211 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1211)

People used to get lengthy bans for cheating like that - Desire, Canary would enforce that to prevent it becoming rampant.  Instead EU steps in as head admin and gets rid of one of the few admins who would do anything, basically encouraging them to repeatedly do this over and over again using pseudonyms.  You wonder why many of us were totally okay with them getting a 2 day ban, because all they ever do is troll, grief and cheat to win.  These are the exact same people - cancer in the community that "quit" but continue playing and trolling with no fear of repercussions as only their friends primarily left as admins (only 2 admins to post in that thread were both friens of theirs who were in the same strat faction with them - 1 was artyem who supposedly "quit" and so doesn't lose his adminship.


Uther?!  Damn, Dupre would actually do shit.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on May 04, 2016, 06:43:36 am
Lol, dream on.

Also, these same guys that "quit", still griefing and trolling.  Desire was one of the few admins left that stood up them since they have over 3 admins in their factions condoning and supporting their behvior.  Both Havelle, Deltah, and Rando (3 of the last 4 posters saying how they said or supported saying N word on "principle" and glad to see new head admin) all just 1 hour ago poll-banned off entire enemy team in strat battle to win after they started losing horrendously as such bad fighter because "they don't really care about strat and Havelle's village because they "quit".  I worked for weeks to build that army and gear and they will only get a slap on wrist at best.


Rando wasnt in that strat fight, please dont demean my friend just because you dont like him.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Rando on May 04, 2016, 06:49:01 am
Lol, dream on.

Also, these same guys that "quit", still griefing and trolling.  Desire was one of the few admins left that stood up them since they have over 3 admins in their factions condoning and supporting their behvior.  Both Havelle, Deltah, and Rando (3 of the last 4 posters saying how they said or supported saying N word on "principle" and glad to see new head admin) all just 1 hour ago poll-banned off entire enemy team in strat battle to win after they started losing horrendously as such bad fighter because "they don't really care about strat and Havelle's village because they "quit".  I worked for weeks to build that army and gear and they will only get a slap on wrist at best.

http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-request-(havelle-daruvian-cup457-among-others)/ (http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/ban-request-(havelle-daruvian-cup457-among-others)/)

http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/really-70461/ (http://forum.melee.org/na-(official)/really-70461/)

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1211 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1211)

People used to get lengthy bans for cheating like that - Desire, Canary would enforce that to prevent it becoming rampant.  Instead EU steps in as head admin and gets rid of one of the few admins who would do anything, basically encouraging them to repeatedly do this over and over again using pseudonyms.  You wonder why many of us were totally okay with them getting a 2 day ban, because all they ever do is troll, grief and cheat to win.  These are the exact same people - cancer in the community that "quit" but continue playing and trolling with no fear of repercussions as only their friends primarily left as admins (only 2 admins to post in that thread were both friens of theirs who were in the same strat faction with them - 1 was artyem who supposedly "quit" and so doesn't lose his adminship.


Uther?!  Damn, Dupre would actually do shit.

I hate to burst your bubble, but I haven't been in a strat battle today. Enjoy playing with yourself in that, by the way.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 04, 2016, 06:51:53 am
The thing is, once you've warned and then banned the first person for doing it you cant back out.

If admin A had warned then the offender didn't stop then admin A, B or C would need to ban that individual. Now if that's already happened, the admin that did it is committed to enforcing that rule at least for that session. If the admin decided 'now too many people are breaking the rules and ignoring my warnings, I guess they sure showed me' then the drama would be different but equally intense; 'OMFG, double-standard, you ban this guy but not everyone else when they ignore your warnings!?!?'

I enjoy TS shenanigans as much as anyone, but deliberately getting yourself banned and whining like a little bitch on the forums about it. Come on.

Finally read last few pages.  Such a good summary!  Whiny trolly bitches the lot of them - will keep doing it as long as their friend admins treat them with kid gloves.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: RD_Professor on May 04, 2016, 07:04:35 am
Finally read last few pages.  Such a good summary!  Whiny trolly bitches the lot of them - will keep doing it as long as their friend admins treat them with kid gloves.

Let's not make blanket statements about admins. Some of us are too scared to voice our opinions out of fear of bullying from the cRPG community.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Deltah on May 04, 2016, 07:08:22 am
Deltah

I wasn't there, lol.
When was the last time in your life you did a fact check on anything, boyo?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Morris on May 04, 2016, 07:15:49 am
Let's not make blanket statements about admins. Some of us are too scared to voice our opinions out of fear of bullying from the cRPG community.


how about u fire this pencil pusher and hire someone like me who isnt a pussy
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on May 04, 2016, 07:17:27 am

how about u fire this pencil pusher and hire someone like me who isnt a pussy

Wait bicep still isnt head admin of North America and the World? Fuckin shit game i tell you hwat. This man is a SLAYER who has routinely been putting down chumps on the server for even remotely breaking rules. If someone teamwounds him you can be sure they'll sit out the next few rounds for their rule breaking as he'll kill them personally.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 04, 2016, 08:53:52 am
And where's the fun in that?

You mean you'd permaban people for saying "friend"?

True, but I'd say it's not that suprising that people overracted when permbans were given for a minor chat abuse.
Nobody got permabanned. What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Earthdforce on May 04, 2016, 09:33:31 am
Nobody got permabanned. What are you talking about?
Shh, lets keep ignoring that all the bans were reduced and keep shitting on desire
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Falka on May 04, 2016, 10:29:40 am
Nobody got permabanned. What are you talking about?

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After the fact - yes, bans were reduced, I know that - now. But how could other players know that when bans were given? The shitstorm began not because someone got banned for 2 days, but because people got banned for a coule of months or permabanned. And it's not a good admining anyway. It's like going to the court where judge says to you: sentenced to death by hanging. Oh wait! Just kidding, 2 days in jail.

PS. I don't really give a damn, cause why should I, and Nightingale seems to be a nice guy overall. But we can not let such nice drama die out.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Oberyn on May 04, 2016, 11:14:22 am
TL;DR: Entitled little bundle of sticks cunts are used to shitting up the game like it's their personal playground, throw a tantrum when an admin finally dares to do their "job".

Dumb excuses so far are:
-Game is so small that rules should be circumvented and rewritten for playerbase health reasons (make rules more convenient for shit trolls, GENIUS, that will surely help the playerbase).
-Saying "friend" was a principled stand for freedom and apple pie and not a bunch of cunts retroactively finding excuses for shitting up a public server with their autism.

 
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Molly on May 04, 2016, 11:20:48 am
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After the fact - yes, bans were reduced, I know that - now. But how could other players know that when bans were given? The shitstorm began not because someone got banned for 2 days, but because people got banned for a coule of months or permabanned. And it's not a good admining anyway. It's like going to the court where judge says to you: sentenced to death by hanging. Oh wait! Just kidding, 2 days in jail.

PS. I don't really give a damn, cause why should I, and Nightingale seems to be a nice guy overall. But we can not let such nice drama die out.
Again - nobody got permabanned nor for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Falka on May 04, 2016, 12:03:41 pm
Didn't you see screenshot I posted?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Uther Pendragon on May 04, 2016, 01:22:21 pm
Uther?!  Damn, Dupre would actually do shit.

I'm sorry I'm not up at 6am to control everything and rely on admins like any sane person in my position would do))

Sparvico already told you that he has no access to logs, do you expect him to call Witchcraft and have him read tarot to find out the real identities of the offenders? As soon as I get access to the logs (goddamnit Dupre), I'll look into it myself, logs allow us to see who is behind a pseudonym. Sparvico handled it as good as he could.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on May 04, 2016, 02:33:12 pm
It is fucking sad to see that some of the remaining people playing NA strat after this incident is either quitting because they are butthurt over something that has been solved through epic management effort or able to pull some weak shit like pollbanning enemies in the few remaining strategus battles.

At the same time Kesh, calm thee mammaries before calling everyone an illuminati. Desire needed a day to reduce n-word bans to normal lenght; yet a minute after a fucked up strat battle you are almost insinuating that admins are encouraging and even backing rule breakers.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Havelle on May 04, 2016, 02:44:49 pm
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lol what
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Jambi on May 04, 2016, 04:34:28 pm
God damn people are dense as hell;
not 19 for 30
8 for 30
rest 1-10 days.
"NA head admin" - 30 days
After the "head admin" decided to join in roughly 9 more people were banned. (people with no ban record)
After the fact: I reduced the bans to just 2 days (hesitantly because I know they all know what they were doing.)

Do you want a bot that automatically posts this every 2 hours?

I guess that would reduce your time wasted by at least 80%.
And maybe at some point all these people still complaining and bitching will finally get it into their thick skulls.

Yes please.

Yes like in North Korea, where they slowly brainwash their people into believing opinions they otherwise wouldnt accept.

Its has nothing to do with having thick skulls, lack of reading comprehension, or being to dumb to understand, bundle of sticks, unintelligent etc.
It has everything to do with people needing to grow up, and stop throwing these kind of silly arguments. Its like the grown up version of children not being able to come to a compromise when they have different opinions.. but simply keep calling eachother dumb or idiots, to try win over the opinion that way.

It doesnt matter who is right, and who is wrong... In the grand scheme of things it realy doesnt matter.
People have different opinions, and thats great... listen too them all and grow as a person. Or simply discard others as being "unintelligent etc "  and only listen to yourself, and others that share your opinion... and eventualy get stuck in arrogance and rigid thinking.

This thread is hopeless, since there are 2 forts of opinions and they will never lay a compromise... its pointless to argue further.
So the only thing thats left is to accept what happened" Nightingale got rekt, Uther is now head-admin. If you dont like it, take your opinion to Uther. the end.



Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 04, 2016, 04:36:01 pm
TL;DR: Entitled little bundle of sticks cunts are used to shitting up the game like it's their personal playground, throw a tantrum when an admin finally dares to do their "job".

Dumb excuses so far are:
-Game is so small that rules should be circumvented and rewritten for playerbase health reasons (make rules more convenient for shit trolls, GENIUS, that will surely help the playerbase).
-Saying "friend" was a principled stand for freedom and apple pie and not a bunch of cunts retroactively finding excuses for shitting up a public server with their autism.

This.

I know I will regret wasting any more time on this, but I seriously do not get how some entitled idiots managed to have one of the best admins "fired" just by jumping on the bandwagon of autism causing a (in relation to the size of this community) big shitstorm.

Every other admin that did not stand up for Desire needs to get a fucking grip and do their job, rather than ignoring rules for the sake of keeping this mod "alive", simply by letting childish retards break and bend rules to their liking.

No matter how big a community is, rules are there for a reason. The reason being protecting the "law abiding players" from the rule breakers. This has not been the case in quite a while.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: the real god emperor on May 04, 2016, 05:08:29 pm
I tried not to post because of my new promotion but my hands are shaking and I can't stand any much longer.

I am pretty sure most here would agree on that saying the word "friend" or any kind of racism warranting a ban is silly.In my opinion, anything that is on the chat can be avoided by the mute option and shouldn't require any admin actions, Naz1sm in EU servers are exempt from this, since German Law is quite strict about it there is nothing we can do. Desire is right on the part that she was trying to apply the rules against a bunch of  "hey lets spam friend at once xd" kids and because rules state so she has the right to ban them.BUT, not permanently or for 90 fucking days. Clearly anger takes her over, goes full yolo and bans half the community. Which was bad as we all can imagine.

So please stop with the replies saying x is right y is wrong, stuff happened and it all brought us to this point.

cheerio

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: pogosan on May 04, 2016, 05:23:42 pm
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: karasu on May 04, 2016, 05:29:52 pm
TL;DR: Entitled little bundle of sticks cunts are used to shitting up the game like it's their personal playground, throw a tantrum when an admin finally dares to do their "job".

Dumb excuses so far are:
-Game is so small that rules should be circumvented and rewritten for playerbase health reasons (make rules more convenient for shit trolls, GENIUS, that will surely help the playerbase).
-Saying "friend" was a principled stand for freedom and apple pie and not a bunch of cunts retroactively finding excuses for shitting up a public server with their autism.


This sums it up pretty nicely.

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Gurgumul on May 04, 2016, 05:38:02 pm
Just fucking kill this thread already, it's getting boring as hell.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: karasu on May 04, 2016, 05:41:01 pm
Only read it now for the first time.  :|  max activity
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 04, 2016, 05:42:43 pm
I'm sorry I'm not up at 6am to control everything and rely on admins like any sane person in my position would do))

Sparvico already told you that he has no access to logs, do you expect him to call Witchcraft and have him read tarot to find out the real identities of the offenders? As soon as I get access to the logs (goddamnit Dupre), I'll look into it myself, logs allow us to see who is behind a pseudonym. Sparvico handled it as good as he could.

No he treated his friends better - gave ban based on if they had done that on na1 for jokes, not NA3 where someone's work for weeks destroyed by pollabuse in order to cheat to win.  In the past much more connected punishment to fit what is going on.

Also, you need to realize there is a steady trickle of us leaving over these trolls being supported by the current admins - we don't make a loud noise like the crybaby trolls mass spamming n-word and then whining about getting punished for it.  Instead my friends are slowly leaving this game (lost another 2 last night after that incident) because the fact is the trolls are getting their way and the administration is getting rid of the admins that actually stand up to their bullying as the trolls increasingly get their way using their numbers and the admins they have in their factions.

So you can cater to the trolls or you can cater to the community that actually doesn't make a lot of noise and don't do things that are banworthy and usually don't even post on forums.  Your choice - really can't do both!  And it seems like you are making the wrong one so far.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Falka on May 04, 2016, 05:49:08 pm
Just fucking kill this thread already, it's getting boring as hell.

At the moment it's the only thread on these forums which is somewhat entertaining, so nah, keep it going.

Desire is right on the part that she was trying to apply the rules against a bunch of  "hey lets spam friend at once xd" kids and because rules state so she has the right to ban them.BUT, not permanently or for 90 fucking days.

I think that almost everyone would agree that a few days bans would be a reasonable punishment.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Havelle on May 04, 2016, 06:46:36 pm
It would be pretty interesting to see a "Where Are They Now" special where like Frisia is a boat clan, and Dracul/Raven is a Second Life biker gang and Kesh is just still continuing to play strat alone.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on May 04, 2016, 06:52:25 pm
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Remove Kratos adminship for legalize racism11!1!!11!
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: pogosan on May 04, 2016, 06:55:26 pm
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: the real god emperor on May 04, 2016, 06:59:15 pm
Remove Kratos adminship for legalize racism11!1!!11!

And spank him!

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Grytviken on May 04, 2016, 07:04:46 pm
This.

I know I will regret wasting any more time on this, but I seriously do not get how some entitled idiots managed to have one of the best admins "fired" just by jumping on the bandwagon of autism causing a (in relation to the size of this community) big shitstorm.

Every other admin that did not stand up for Desire needs to get a fucking grip and do their job, rather than ignoring rules for the sake of keeping this mod "alive", simply by letting childish retards break and bend rules to their liking.

No matter how big a community is, rules are there for a reason. The reason being protecting the "law abiding players" from the rule breakers. This has not been the case in quite a while.

This "best admin" you talk bout would mainly play on a on a naked character with just a stick delaying and brocoding or a horse archer delaying while passing out the most ridiculous ban times for minor offenses to actual players. Everyone on NA has autism which is why we need EU admin.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Grytviken on May 04, 2016, 07:19:59 pm
No he treated his friends better - gave ban based on if they had done that on na1 for jokes, not NA3 where someone's work for weeks destroyed by pollabuse in order to cheat to win.  In the past much more connected punishment to fit what is going on.

Also, you need to realize there is a steady trickle of us leaving over these trolls being supported by the current admins - we don't make a loud noise like the crybaby trolls mass spamming n-word and then whining about getting punished for it.  Instead my friends are slowly leaving this game (lost another 2 last night after that incident) because the fact is the trolls are getting their way and the administration is getting rid of the admins that actually stand up to their bullying as the trolls increasingly get their way using their numbers and the admins they have in their factions.

So you can cater to the trolls or you can cater to the community that actually doesn't make a lot of noise and don't do things that are banworthy and usually don't even post on forums.  Your choice - really can't do both!  And it seems like you are making the wrong one so far.

Funny how you are crying so much, the strat loser who loses all the strat battles and wars who finally has their pocket admin who will mass ban during a strat battle just so you can win removed.  And now you cry because Sparvico won't pass out massive deal breaking bans and you make shit up. Show me how these admins support "trolls" besides that one incident where Desire was trying to mass ban 19 players during one of your strat battles?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 04, 2016, 07:34:25 pm
the strat loser who loses all the strat battles and wars

Lol, what rock are you living under. hahahaha, FCC notorious for dominating every strategus we play in.  Your clan only ever really known for losing and using N-word.  Good one! made me laugh!  Kind of makes anything else you post unreliable so no point in reading, since you obviously have no idea of anything that goes on from all your repeatedly incorrect posts in this thread about permabans (of which there are none), Artyem not using the N-word (he did, everyone recognizes that), we were already winning the battle when the bans started with N-word - had nothing to do with us etc. etc.

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Grytviken on May 04, 2016, 07:39:09 pm
Lol, what rock are you living under. hahahaha, FCC notorious for dominating every strategus we play in.  Your clan only ever really known for losing and using N-word.  Good one! made me laugh!  Kind of makes anything else you post unreliable so no point in reading, since you obviously have no idea of anything that goes on from all your posts in this thread.

I haven't played strat in over a year and I doubt much has changed, you were going to lose this season too until everyone quit, now you are  getting poll banned for trying to capture undefended villages? LOL You can't even win strat when everyone quits, games too hard m8 just give up.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 04, 2016, 07:58:56 pm
Too stupid for words... only double facepalm can do it.

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Grytviken on May 04, 2016, 08:12:00 pm
since you obviously have no idea of anything that goes on from all your repeatedly incorrect posts in this thread about permabans (of which there are none)

Please link me to one of my posts where I mention perma bans. I said the original length of the bans would not have been reversed if more sensible admins did not step in and voice their opinion, which is true.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 04, 2016, 08:16:26 pm
This "best admin" you talk bout would mainly play on a on a naked character with just a stick delaying and brocoding or a horse archer delaying while passing out the most ridiculous ban times for minor offenses to actual players. Everyone on NA has autism which is why we need EU admin.

Gross, at least chat spam is muteable playerside, but brocode delaying naked is still the worst thing in the mod.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Grytviken on May 04, 2016, 08:18:58 pm
Gross, at least chat spam is muteable playerside, but brocode delaying naked is still the worst thing in the mod.

Yea there's nothing more fun than playing on a 15 pop server to see an admin running around naked with a stick brocoding or playing on a horse archer flag bug delaying. It wasn't all the time but i've seen him do it a few times and it was enough to make me not want to play on that server.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 04, 2016, 09:57:26 pm
TL;DR: Entitled little bundle of sticks cunts are used to shitting up the game like it's their personal playground, throw a tantrum when an admin finally dares to do their "job".

Dumb excuses so far are:
-Game is so small that rules should be circumvented and rewritten for playerbase health reasons (make rules more convenient for shit trolls, GENIUS, that will surely help the playerbase).
-Saying "friend" was a principled stand for freedom and apple pie and not a bunch of cunts retroactively finding excuses for shitting up a public server with their autism.
You are a fucking idiot. How about you stay in your Soviet Bloc concrete box instead of grandstanding about something you obviously don't understand and haven't taken the time to look in to. Feel free to stop reading now.

Nobody ever gave either of those "excuses," IN FACT the very first Goddamn thing Sandersson said was that this has NOTHING to do with "muh Freedom and apple pie" (while those are lofty goals, they have FUCK ALL to do with anyone saying "friend"). You people keep harping on that because Rando used the word principle in describing something entirely different from the initial act/ban situation you imbeciles. Read it again.

Aren't you a paralegal or something Kesh? Shouldn't you understand precision of language? Or are you willfully ignoring the way sentences work because you're an ass?

Similarly, what's up with accusing people at random of wronging you when you have no proof of that, rather than waiting for an admin with necessary perms to take care of it? And now you're going to tell your little underlings to berate Sparvico because he took admin action in accordance with precedent and his stated ban methodolgy (trademark: Desire)?

I wasn't at that battle, as I work all the time, but I wish I could have been. Do you not get that at a certain point, fucking with you can represent more utility to a person than can playing this game for its own sake? Diminishing marginal utility is not a difficult concept. Continuing to shriek about your weeks of hard work only cements that utility compared to doing literally anything else. Your petty whining is self-defeating (feel free to quote that and type "yes dracul is" you tool).

You should have let the whole thing die rather than bring it up again in this thread, which had become much less obnoxious Eurodrama.

Incoming still-butthurt Merrrica post about GOBBLINS and Artyem.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 04, 2016, 10:03:18 pm
P.S. you really do have to be the dumbest of the ravens, which is pretty low already - they were never known for creativity - playing the same class year after year without ever trying anything new - stupid ex-military mindset.
Sorry for the double post, I didn't see this until now.

Really says a lot about your character more so than anyone else.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 04, 2016, 10:09:49 pm
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lol  :D :D :D :D Pure, sad nerd-rage in action! This is straight-up hilarious buddy.  And yes they did defend using the word and bragged about saying it in that ts recording.  Just because they are your friends doesn't mean they are always right. lol  Learn to think for yourself buddy.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Artyem on May 04, 2016, 10:17:54 pm
It would be pretty interesting to see a "Where Are They Now" special where like Frisia is a boat clan, and Dracul/Raven is a Second Life biker gang and Kesh is just still continuing to play strat alone.

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 04, 2016, 10:35:48 pm
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lol  :D :D :D :D Pure, sad nerd-rage in action! This is straight-up hilarious buddy.  And yes they did defend using the word and bragged about saying it in that ts recording.  Just because they are your friends doesn't mean they are always right. lol  Learn to think for yourself buddy.
lmao does the truth hurt you? my old friendgot
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 04, 2016, 10:49:44 pm
lmao does the truth hurt you? my old friendgot

Homphobic slurs, racist slurs.  The real you comes out for all to see, just like your clanmates.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Westwood on May 04, 2016, 11:06:19 pm
Homphobic slurs, racist slurs.  The real you comes out for all to see, just like your clanmates.

And yours? Firebus threw the first "friend," not sure if you remember that.

As for those "homsexuals," not sure how a minority representing >3% of world population can find itself making up 100% of a Warband mod community, is all I have to say. A demographic oddity, surely.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Sparvico on May 04, 2016, 11:18:49 pm
Not yesterday mercer of BRD had a ban thread up against him for saying the word "Nigger". I of course gave a warning, because jesus it's a game people. Looking back on it I guess it would have been fairer to threaten a character wipe or give out a 90 day ban, right kesh?

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Havelle on May 04, 2016, 11:23:30 pm
Homphobic slurs, racist slurs.  The real you comes out for all to see, just like your clanmates.

I'm LGBT myself and totally cool with the word bundle of sticks being thrown around seeing as how its become an insult liken to "jerk", "idiot", "asshole" or other vague derogatory about the character(rather than sexuality or sexual activity) of a person. I don't like when people call it a homophobic slur when its clearly not being used in that way as it assumes that a "bundle of sticks" or LGBT person is a bad thing in itself, rather than an offensive thing to call one of those people.

When you assume offense for another person(although well-meaning(while wildly and blindly ignoring the context)), you are reinforcing the idea that it is wrong to be them. Really, you're just some tumblrmy old friend trying to be self-righteous.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: McKli_PL on May 04, 2016, 11:40:09 pm
Sweet Lord, ppl stop fighting on forum let's keeeeeel each other on a beautiful battle server :mrgreen: if ur banned on Na you are all welcome on Eu servers, keeeeeeeeeeel keeeeeeeel :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Thax on May 05, 2016, 12:34:26 am
Nuh uh he said this word and didnt get banned long enough...Well my friend is one of those words and it hurt his feelings and he quit...But saying this word is worse than saying that word so you should be perma'd!

You all sound like a bunch of bundle of stickss.

Games been dead a long fucking time...who cares whos banned or deadminned. Who fucking cares!?

All this drama over words. Pretty fucking pathetic. Poiltical correctness destroys everything it touches and helps noone.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Falka on May 05, 2016, 12:50:33 am
I'm LGBT myself and totally cool with the word bundle of sticks being thrown around seeing as how its become an insult liken to "jerk", "idiot", "asshole" or other vague derogatory about the character(rather than sexuality or sexual activity) of a person. I don't like when people call it a homophobic slur when its clearly not being used in that way as it assumes that a "bundle of sticks" or LGBT person is a bad thing in itself, rather than an offensive thing to call one of those people.

When you assume offense for another person(although well-meaning(while wildly and blindly ignoring the context)), you are reinforcing the idea that it is wrong to be them. Really, you're just some tumblrmy old friend trying to be self-righteous.

Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Relit on May 05, 2016, 01:20:50 am
P.S. you really do have to be the dumbest of the ravens, which is pretty low already - they were never known for creativity - playing the same class year after year without ever trying anything new - stupid ex-military mindset.

As the person you are undoubtedly referencing here, I just got to laugh. You just insulted how many people with that jab? Probably people who are your friends and maybe even family members. Very funny Kesh, but also very sad.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 05, 2016, 02:31:30 am
This "best admin" you talk bout would mainly play on a on a naked character with just a stick delaying and brocoding or a horse archer delaying while passing out the most ridiculous ban times for minor offenses to actual players. Everyone on NA has autism which is why we need EU admin.

Funny, whenever I played it was several others who did that.

And it seems like you have never played on EU much. If you did, you would know that it is way more retarded than NA.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Sparvico on May 05, 2016, 03:46:07 am
And it seems like you have never played on EU much. If you did, you would know that it is way more retarded than NA.

If you did, you would know that it is way more retarded than NA.

it is way more retarded than NA.
more retarded than NA.

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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 05, 2016, 04:50:03 am
This "best admin" you talk about would mainly play on an armoured piker fighting terribly and dying early on to Zlotz fuck throwers or rarely a horse archer dismounting other horse archers while occasionally passing out bans on veteran trolls who repeatedly broke the rules despite being warned countless times. Everyone has autism which is why we need admins with a tiny bit less autism than the rest of us.

There ya go I fixed your statement
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 05, 2016, 05:34:30 am
This "best admin" you talk about would mainly play on an armoured piker fighting terribly and dying early

You talkin shit bout Dr. Professor and his poleplate strength crutch build?
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Nightingale on May 05, 2016, 05:37:26 am
No no no; if I were to be talking about Dr_Professor I would say this:

"Plate nerd with a long lawlpoke that fails at dying. period. stupid str crutchbaddie
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 05, 2016, 05:40:24 am
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Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: RD_Professor on May 05, 2016, 05:51:29 am
You talkin shit bout Dr. Professor and his poleplate strength crutch build?

No no no; if I were to be talking about Dr_Professor I would say this:

"Plate nerd with a long lawlpoke that fails at dying. period. stupid str crutchbaddie

People are talking about me! I'm famous!
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: pogosan on May 05, 2016, 09:58:18 am
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: karasu on May 05, 2016, 10:32:11 am
What's wrong with NA lately? Used to be such a fun, obviously damaged, yet carefree community. Now everyone's tense constantly going at each others necks.  :|

It's like turks and Panos going mental at each other.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Switchtense on May 05, 2016, 10:39:51 am
It's like turks and Panos going mental at each other.

Now that Panos is not playing anymore there has to be compensation.
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: pogosan on May 05, 2016, 10:56:06 am
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 05, 2016, 04:04:43 pm
EU has a lot bigger population, relatively big amount of people aren't even talking english and some people aren't retarded (yes, some aren't).

[citation needed]
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Keshian on May 05, 2016, 04:30:52 pm
As the person you are undoubtedly referencing here, I just got to laugh. You just insulted how many people with that jab? Probably people who are your friends and maybe even family members. Very funny Kesh, but also very sad.

Lol, had to reply to this super smug idiot.

My father and 3 uncles served in vietnam and every single one would support me in saying that war was complete idiocy.  Nationalism is just fasccism wearing a pretty dress.  America has not had a defensive war in over 70 years, supporting 70 years of wars favoring a few Republican politicians is hardly patriotism (standing up against them killing others for their own economic benefit would be).  Not that different from the civil war where only 5% were slave owners and these rich elites got a bunch of uneducated farmers to go fight a war to protect their own wealthy interests.

Why do you think they train you to shoot without remorse using rationalization of "national pride" and "patriotism", much like roman soldiers were taught to invade and basically slaughter the "barbarians" and take their land for the glory of Rome.  Lets go attack Iraq and kill over 40,000 civilians (that includes many many women and children with hopes adn dreams, not even including those maimed) because baby Bush wants to finish his dad's war even though vast majority of terrorists came from his friends the Saudia Arabians and Obama's friends the Iranians.  But hey, foreigners lives are worth far less than 1 American soldier or citizen, right??

Its sad there are so few economic opportunities and these military recruiters haunt the high schools of the poorest communities and take advantage of them.  But don't worry some smug, idiotic bastard like Relit will tell them how they are serving their country by fighting a war for Dick Cheney and Haliburton without body armor because the money went to Boeing for a fail $50 billion jet since Boeing's lobbyists had a big influence on the Republicans choosing to fight the next war.

Relit, you are so brainwashed at this point you actually take pride in the incredibly broken and morally repugnant Republican military machine invading numerous countries often at random to serve their own wealthy interests in oil, etc.  Your self-righteousness as our practically consciptred poorest youths are forced to kill many innocent people for those interests tells me exactly what kind of person you are.  And saying this does not insult a person's "family" lol, it doesn't hide behind the pretty dress of fasccism, but instead feels a great sadness at what America has allowed itself to become - a new Imperialist state akin to Rome.


So go ahead and do another smug, idiotic response you brainwashed arrogant ass as you condone the deaths of tens of thousands of women and children for the simple crime of not being an American.  I am sure you were the same way as you made a bunch of 18 yr. olds too young to know better go kill a bunch of human beings for the crime of being middle-eastern as you bandied about word like Desert N-, just like you brag about in ts using that word you dumb fucking racist redneck Relit.

P.S. And yes, much of boot camp is training you to be malleable and not think for yourself so you don't question the shooting and killing. From your complete lack of creativity, I can only assume you dove into this propaganda head first.  Feel free to try your best to reply with your brainwashed propaganda about "freedom fries" and such, I'm sure we will see your "creative and intelligent" response, lol
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Butan on May 05, 2016, 04:54:43 pm
This thread just reached new levels of [insert derogatory term here].
Title: Re: Admin, rules, minor announcemets
Post by: Uther Pendragon on May 05, 2016, 05:51:09 pm
Jesus fuck this is just embarrassing at this point