friend
You can't be racist against white people
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Mike "putting the amp in straight camp" Pence.
friend
Well uh, all I did was advocate for criminal justice reform via slur decriminalization and call a leftist parasite a cuck.
Is that the same Mike "if you like it in the crapper, you get the zapper" Pence?Yeah, Mike "stray from God's path, feel Tesla's wrath" Pence
Mike "7.62 for LGBTQ" Pence
How bizzare.
Would you please stop pushing the liberal agenda? Trump won fair and square, it's over.
Do the jews play a part in this?
I'm guessing you don't have wetlands and you're most likley regurgitating rhetoric...I mean, I'm just meming you but there are really wetlands in the lot next to my house. Lot is like a half acre, and there's a little shitty strip of wetlands in the Southwest corner of it, full of mosquitoes and old tires. Apparently that fucks up development for like half of it, if I recall correctly it means a septic tank couldn't be put in for any housing that gets built there (although I may be remembering incorrectly and that could have been because of other shitty lot reasons).
but just in case, most states publish solid guides for wetland management, and wetlands are good to plant high value trees like hardwoods or nut trees next to, since you do not have to water them. You could even plant some wild-rice, arrowroot, or a plethora of other foods and save monies on groceries.(click to show/hide)
Can we please ban some words like "noob", or using "peasant" in a offensive manner. Even "scrub" and "bitch" gets to me, please keep chat clean so i can have a good time again.also ban my old friendchar and agiwhore
On a serious point though, force people to speak american. EU1 is always a 50/50 on entering, either you will see french or turkish. Its wack.
Maybe reform the admin group. Doesn't mean that the same guys can't be Admins. But I'm sure over the years... all kind of folks have had all kinds of permissions. Maybe that can be re-balanced and re-issued.Yeah make me an admin. Now seeking vouches.
Part 1
Hey Uther... really good post!
And even though I'd love to see more freedom in chat... I can't fault the Devs for this decision. Drawing a hard line in the sand means that you have to police Admins less... because they can be more stern... and just say that it falls in the rules. I don't agree with it. But I understand that's probably impossible for Devs to police Admins. Or at least it's too time-consuming... taking away your time from developing the mod.
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So can't blame you guys! But I do hope that the admin group would be looked at thoroughly... just the same as you guys are looking that the actual mod itself. Maybe reform the admin group. Doesn't mean that the same guys can't be Admins. But I'm sure over the years... all kind of folks have had all kinds of permissions. Maybe that can be re-balanced and re-issued.
And I do hope some is policing the badmins! Just the same as why we need admins! People get out of control... are can be just plain idiots. Admins are people and can do the same. Hopefully someone is admin-ing the admins.
Part 3
So with racial themes being taken away from chat... what about homophobic? I'd tend to say that we have more Transgender players than black players. I know we do. And new players are more likely to be transgender or homosexuals than they are black. So if we are worried about losing new players... why not address homo slurs?
While we are at it... why not ban any cultural references? Political references? Gender references (sexist comments)?
Here's a big one... Pedophillia references! I've seen more jokes about 12 year old Asians and Turkish boys than anything. Yet everyone thinks this is ok!
Another big one... the word "retard". Everyone says that. But I know folks with handicap kids that are extremely offended by this term. So should be ban the word "Retard" from our chat. It's equally offensive (non-offensive) as any racial term.
Now for the record... I think it's ok as well. I think all of that is ok to be honest. Just trying to understand where the line is drawn. Why is the line being drawn against folks who like to make racial references... as opposed to players who use language against other groups.
Closing Statement
With all that said... I know that this game is managed by the Devs. Essentially, it's their property. I respect their right to manage it in any way they seem fit. cRPG is a private enterprise... and it should have the freedom to be managed by it's proprietors in any way they see fit. So in the end... as mentioned at the beginning of this post... I respect Uther's post! And I certainly respect his time taken in writing and clarifying the devs thoughts.
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... you do not choose your sex, you do not choose your skin colour. I know the same thing can be said about your sexual orientation...visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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Why is it that you act so respectful when you are defending racism but can't manage it at other times? If you acted like this post reads we wouldn't have to draw lines in the first place. Sad...
The forum mutes weren't intentional, for now it's a glitch in the system untill Dupre knows more for certain)) And those rules are in-game rules specifically, forum rules remain untouched.
Mallets! Dude. I enjoy reading your posts, but godamnit. Dont use as many "...", you arent a crazy blushing japanese schoolgirl after all... or are you? "semi boner activated"
for every certain amount of active players we should elect people who write the rules
give us representation
no more police state
elect me to represent you in the 1st congress and defend your right to free speech
Mallets! Dude. I enjoy reading your posts, but godamnit. Dont use as many "...", you arent a crazy blushing japanese schoolgirl after all... or are you? "semi boner activated"
(namely NA because that is what is active lol)
Mallets! Dude. I enjoy reading your posts, but godamnit. Dont use as many "...", you arent a crazy blushing japanese schoolgirl after all... or are you? "semi boner activated"Mallets confirmed visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Mallets! Dude. I enjoy reading your posts, but godamnit. Dont use as many "...", you arent a crazy blushing japanese schoolgirl after all... or are you? "semi boner activated"Holy shit mate, I was just about to warn Mallets about his "..." per post ratio getting dangerously close to RasFrenzy's.
In honor of this thread, I have changed my STF character's name and theme to 'black in spanishdamus_the_Blackest_Mage'.
If there were a movie about him, the poster tagline would go
"Jesus may have turned water into wine
But he can turn anything into purple drank"
funny name, but you have now subjected yourself to the social justice inquisition that the admin team has created so that they can openly jerk off to the banning of retards
On topic, my stance might be a bit controvertial, but I think only bundle of stickss get offended by bad words.
If you call me a drunk russian krimea-occupying friend, I might think you're an idiot and an asshole, but in no way would I suffer from hearing/reading those words.
Having said that, though, banning idiots and assholes is not a bad thing either.
So, eh... I need to go have some sleep before I'm ready to draw any kind of conclusion from that.
On topic, my stance might be a bit controvertial, but I think only bundle of stickss get offended by bad words.
If you call me a drunk russian krimea-occupying friend, I might think you're an idiot and an asshole, but in no way would I suffer from hearing/reading those words.
Having said that, though, banning idiots and assholes is not a bad thing either.
So, eh... I need to go have some sleep before I'm ready to draw any kind of conclusion from that.
real reason players don't continue on is the learning curve or maybe they just don't like it.
make me an admin again
fuck almost went 1 year without posting
make me an admin again
fuck almost went 1 year without posting
On topic, my stance might be a bit controvertial, but I think only bundle of stickss get offended by bad words.
If you call me a drunk russian krimea-occupying friend, I might think you're an idiot and an asshole, but in no way would I suffer from hearing/reading those words.
Having said that, though, banning idiots and assholes is not a bad thing either.
So, eh... I need to go have some sleep before I'm ready to draw any kind of conclusion from that.
ur right tho, i think the admins have deluded themselves with the idea that they have to protect the servers by filtering the internet; an impossible task that cannot be accomplished. i think the best way of stopping people from experiencing "racism" is by having a button to mute (which we have) whatever asshole is typing slurs in chat. the idea of "creating a safe environment for new players" is bullshit, if people are so dumb as to think an entire mod is racist because they see one idiot in chat and therefore they stop playing, fuck em. real reason players don't continue on is the learning curve or maybe they just don't like it.
plus, why is it only racism that was banned, not bigotry in general? why can we say bundle of sticks on the servers? hypocritical as fuck, but at least the badmins are self aware about it.
sure, i understand that plenty of folk would look at this post and say "wow what a pseudo-intellectual justification for using racial or other slurs", i'd say that any fault on my part lies in taking these things too seriously as a sort of philosophical or similar microcosm even though we're a bunch of spergs on the internet, rather than being some heinous mouthpiece for some imagined heinous and homogeneous group of genuine racists, bigots and misanthropes.
I would maybe agree that we're taking things too seriously, but that change didn't come from nothing (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/(art-piece-2017)-assorted-screenshots-left-without-comment/) at all (http://forum.melee.org/spam/hell-fucking-yeah!/msg1253115/#msg1253115), this is just cringe-worthy server behaviour that I don't like. We just reacted to an increase in tendency.
This sort of normalization of slurs makes NA 1 look like a private server for Stormfront, and God forbid they'd think the same.I'm not trying to complain or anything but that's some real hyperbole there my dude. I've seen various rabid conspiracy theory posts on this forum that are much more reminiscent of Stormfront than wanton slurring on NA1.
Also: cRPG chat isn't protected legally by the US Constitution, so if you want to practice civil disobedience by spamming racial epithets in chat, you can expect a ban. My personal opinion is that you should be able to type whatever the hell you want considering there is a mute button, but people who have names that are offensive should be forced to change them. Free chat, but restrict names is my ideal compromise.
Is it so controversial that I just don't want people calling eachother friends in chat?I guess not if you are one of those guys who puts the word "friend" on a pedestal over all other slurs.
I'm honestly curious why you think it's something impossible that cannot be accomplished.In regards to the mod, it's not impossible. You can go full chocolate chip cookie and check logs and ban anyone who says the word. At the end of the campaign of chat purification, only those who hold the same beliefs as you (i.e. "friend" on a pedestal over all other slurs) will remain playing the dead mod. To be fair however, most people (except bicep) will just not say it for fear of being banned, so your rule will succeed. I still reserve the right to call badmins hypocrites. >>As this was being typed, Horns looked through the logs for offenders LOL
It's not about creating a safe zone, it's about creating an enviroment that's not toxic.I suppose that an environment that is not toxic due to admin regulation isn't considered a safe zone. This is the internet. You won't ever create a place that isn't toxic, and the majority of toxic comments that are spewed out on NA1 aren't serious.
So for every mini-essay or wall of text arguing 'muh freedom of speech' or whatever it is people are trying to make this about, merely add "therefore I should be able to spam 'friend' in chat" to the end of their post.
However, I defend the right of shitbags to say it.
I'm not trying to complain or anything but that's some real hyperbole there my dude. I've seen various rabid conspiracy theory posts on this forum that are much more reminiscent of Stormfront than wanton slurring on NA1.
but it wasn't until this year that I saw a bunch of players dressed as klansmen riding horses.
lmao, yea sry dood thats funny as fuck
I don't think that's hyperbole at all. Poe's law is in full swing here, and I don't want this rhetoric to attract players who think this behavior is acceptable, or to repel players who rightfully think it's disgusting.The "spooky ghost" gag was dark humor and undoubtedly distasteful, but none of those people are going to lynch anyone. People goofing around in ways like that is indicative of newer generations' overall irreverence for near everything, not the infiltration of cRPG by Stormfront members.
As someone who has been playing this mod for five years, I have seen a massive shift in the culture of this community. Some of the people here defending this bullshit are the same people who brought it here. We had some quirky and crude clans before, but it wasn't until this year that I saw a bunch of players dressed as klansmen riding horses.
This has always been a problem in the community, but people were swiftly muted and banned for it before. Hell, my clan almost got blanket-banned for a stupid banner put up when we changed our theme to the Teutonic Knights.
I think you're getting way too caught up in the use of Stormfront.That's why I thought it was hyperbole.
But because it doesn't bother the white suburban teeny boppers that dominate the servers now, it's no longer a matter of basic decency, but an assault on "free speech."Yeah it really isn't. Whatever powers that be in cRPG can make and enforce whatever rules they want.
an assault on "free speech."
This is not just for Algarn, but for anyone who thinks (especially in the US) that "freedom of speech doesn't include being an asshole."
The entire point of this amendment is to protect ALL forms of speech, and that includes derogatory words such as "my old friend got", "friend", etc. No, the Bill of Rights wasn't ratified to protect these specific words so people could be bigoted assholes. It was so that if someone's opinions were that of the minority, they would be free from governmental persecution when expressing those beliefs (e.g. if you were a Chinese Democratic protester in 1989, you would probably want your government to uphold this right). No matter how you may want to try and spin it, the US Constitution's First Amendment protects ALL SPEECH EQUALLY, regardless of whether it is cheerful or hurtful. This is so that the free society of the US can openly critique their government without fear of being silenced.
Yes. That does mean people will say bad words and do it because they have the right to do so. It's a part of life, grow up and deal with it. I would rather have some asshole say rude shit than be legally shot in Tiananmen Square for protesting the evils of communism. Even if hate speech is banned in your country, people will still use it, sorry that you can't escape the evils of this world.
Now, I'm going to guess that your best argument against the 1A and free speech is that "hate speech is NOT free speech and is therefore not protected." Well, if my last few sentences above haven't convinced you, then sadly, I cannot fight your delusion for you.
Let's say that you believe that video games such as Grand Theft Auto promote violence and sexist ideologies against women considering the game allows you to "objectify" women and additionally kill
them (google Anita Sarkeesian). Therefore, the people who produced the game are bigoted and are encouraging misogyny because their entertainment platform allows players to partake in such horrendous actions in a joyful,
rewarding manner. If we consider this video game to be of an artistic nature and the dialogue contained in it a part of speech, we can therefore label the game and its contents as "hate speech." If
these opinions were vastly favored among the majority and hate speech was not protected, you could expect a ban on the game and legal repercussions on the development team.
I beg the question: who gets to define what is and is not hate speech? Of course well all know the givens. Is GTA hate speech? My point is all of these things are subjective, and if hate speech were not considered part of free speech in general, the tyrannical majority would silence the minority.
Also: cRPG chat isn't protected legally by the US Constitution, so if you want to practice civil disobedience by spamming racial epithets in chat, you can expect a ban. My personal opinion is that you should be able to type whatever the hell you want considering there is a mute button, but people who have names that are offensive should be forced to change them. Free chat, but restrict names is my ideal compromise.
its okay m8 i dont want to drive a wedge between our love
i entirely understand not wanting to see people spam "friend" in chat, its fucking horrible trying to play csgo when your teammates is shouting that trash into your ear
i just dont want to see swaths of people being banned
excuse me. those of u who incessantly spam racial epithets are indeed cancer. even though i go mad nerd on freedom of speech, i do not condone the use of the words you choose to spam with your sausage fingers on your cheeto dusted keyboards. i abide by the rules set forth by uther & co. and so should u @bicep, if u can't do it, ur band.Thank God someone said it
revert to level 31 retirement.
Libertarians are gay imo
There is this message block system in Mercenaries, it doesn't have stuff like friend etc blocked, but milder stuff. Could we implement that to fit the harsh conditions of cRPG?
Chat should be RP only and only allow direct M&B quotes.Eh?
Chat should be RP only and only allow direct M&B quotes.
A-Leppo style muh cannabis libertarians are shitidk man that libertarian convention kind of speaks for itself from what I saw
crypto-commie muh environment muh peace muh social issues "libertarians" are shit
Hoppean traditionalist libertarians are alright
Muh 1776 strict constitutionalist Ron Paul-variety libertarians are alright too
stinky, dumb neocon scum
We had some quirky and crude clans before, but it wasn't until this year that I saw a bunch of players dressed as klansmen riding horses.
Sorry for bumping this semi-old thread but I'm curious how things are going in-game since early July when this thread was active.it's dead lol
I can't believe that it is STILL a thing, but hey it's the internet. Memes. The forbidden word becomes more desirable to say every time someone makes a big deal out of it. Molehills into mountains.hey that's what I said