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[Shaksie]

Athletics is of utmost importance, but yes you cut it in 18/21 to 4 at level 30 (but if you get level 31 you pump it to 7 ath) Yes it will make that much of a difference with archery. I find it quite noticeable. Man, seriously, believe me about 50 1h wpf. Stop trying to have all this unneeded melee wpf. You don't need that much wpf in melee anyways. melee wpf does not do nearly as much as ranged wpf does for effectiveness.

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WPF matters so much for archery, to the point that my archer build is stupidly dedicated: 18/27 (level 32) with 6 PD, 9 WM, 2 ath (I had 0 ath until lvl 32) ==> which results in 182 WPF for archery.
What does that get me? Near pinpoint accuracy across the map. I am accurate within the size of somebody's head at 300 yards with the longbow. I am even more accurate with the weaker bows, literally the arrows follow the identical path each shot. Robin hood status.
Every little bonus to wpf adds up. Every subtraction adds up.
Proof of the value of accurate archery: Note how the kills were headshots (more than half of the 18 were headshots // with the last two in the screen being headshots) Highest score, highest kills, carrying server. THIS WAS WITH 0 ATHLETICS AND LONGBOW (which takes 5ever to re-draw). Rus bow is better for sure in performance for that reason.

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Point being: with in-game accuracy (from wpf, etc) and a bit of practice, you can make every shot you fire hit ~Somebody~ for damage. But no matter how good you are, if your bow is inaccurate you're going to miss a lot.
ALSO WPF INCREASES ARCHERY DAMAGE BY A LOT. MY 18/27 ARCHER DOES COMPARABLE DAMAGE TO A 30/15 ARCHER [though recent changes have made 30/15 do more damage nowadays, 18/27 is still more effective due to accuracy and fire rate]

I personally suggest a lighter body armor, but that is a personal decision. you are receiving an accuracy penalty from it lowering your wpf with that set up, but if you find your survivability to be higher -- it may be worth it for you. But I don't.
My armor is weighted:
head: 0, Body: 1.5, Gloves: 0, Boots: 3.0
PLEASE NOTE THAT I WEAR ARMOR FOR STYLE AND TO MAKE SURE I HAVE NO PENALTIES OT MOVEMENT SPEED SPCIFICALLY. I don't suggest the same armor set up.

A more effective archer set up would be:
head: 0, body: 5 ~ 6, Gloves: 0.1, Boots: 0~1
that would result in no (or very little) wpf penalty and light-medium body armor, and thus decent survivability.

Good sir you seem to have a pretty vast amount of knowledge at your disposal.
I shall get less wpf then, how much of an impact will getting 50 have on my archery? With a Broad Short Sword, I don't know if I will need any whatsoever; I tried using a +3 Shortened Spear with 1 wpf and it was definitely fast enough.

Yeah, aesthetics are why I'm wearing the armor that I am at the moment, couldn't find any that I liked which was lighter but I shall look again!

Hmm, is helmet weight that detrimental?

[Tore]

polearm
18/21 ps 7 ath 7 vm
18/24 6 ps 8 ath 8 vm (lvl 32) or should I got with IF?

[Cyclopsided]

Good sir you seem to have a pretty vast amount of knowledge at your disposal.
I shall get less wpf then, how much of an impact will getting 50 have on my archery? With a Broad Short Sword, I don't know if I will need any whatsoever; I tried using a +3 Shortened Spear with 1 wpf and it was definitely fast enough.

Yeah, aesthetics are why I'm wearing the armor that I am at the moment, couldn't find any that I liked which was lighter but I shall look again!

Hmm, is helmet weight that detrimental?

helmet weight and hand weight is multiply detrimental to archers. I don't remember the specific multipliers anymore since they changed them a few months ago.

the 50 melee wpf does more for negating the penalty that you get for having less than 100 wpf. Having 1 wpf  compared to 100 is effectively doing almost 2 PS less worth of damage. It additionally is Roughly 3-5 weapon speed slower (There is a formula and it depends on the base weapon speed and don't worry about the specifics).
basically, having 50 wpf is cutting that penalty in half.
100 effective wpf uses the weapon exactly as stats list it on the website.
and for example sake: 200 wpf is ~15% more damage and 3 to 5 effective weapon speed faster. Make sense?
yes these are not specific numbers, but they are close approximations because the formulas are stupid

So thats why melee wpf jsut doesn't matter all that much okay. Ranged wpf gets compounded all differently in respect to how important it is since it relates to accuracy, not just damage and speed.

[Shaksie]

helmet weight and hand weight is multiply detrimental to archers. I don't remember the specific multipliers anymore since they changed them a few months ago.

the 50 melee wpf does more for negating the penalty that you get for having less than 100 wpf. Having 1 wpf  compared to 100 is effectively doing almost 2 PS less worth of damage. It additionally is Roughly 3-5 weapon speed slower (There is a formula and it depends on the base weapon speed and don't worry about the specifics).
basically, having 50 wpf is cutting that penalty in half.
100 effective wpf uses the weapon exactly as stats list it on the website.
and for example sake: 200 wpf is ~15% more damage and 3 to 5 effective weapon speed faster. Make sense?
yes these are not specific numbers, but they are close approximations because the formulas are stupid

So thats why melee wpf jsut doesn't matter all that much okay. Ranged wpf gets compounded all differently in respect to how important it is since it relates to accuracy, not just damage and speed.

I see, that makes sense .

[Tore]

polearm
18/21 ps 7 ath 7 vm
18/24 6 ps 8 ath 8 vm (lvl 32) or should I got with IF?

pls help

[Cyclopsided]

pls help

it is dependent on what you want
also your post is really confusing, not enough info

[Tore]

it is dependent on what you want
also your post is really confusing, not enough info

im not gonna retire so getting too 21/21 or 18/24 (18/21 at lvl 30) as fast as possible or get max IF first?

[Cyclopsided]

post exactly what you have at your level for skills/stats etc lke everyone else. Or else I will be guessing how much you have in etc.

Also it depends on your playstyle. 18/21 is good. 21/21 is good, slightly more damage. 18/24 being slightly faster.
18/21 with maxed IF etc being more survivable. If I was going to like level 34 I would do 21/21 and max all the relevant skills personally.

[Riftmaker]

Post good hybrid specs!
Like 1h/pole/shield
Xbow/Shield/1h
and so on <3

Even a good 1h/throw/shield spec

[Cyclopsided]

Post good hybrid specs!
Like 1h/pole/shield
Xbow/Shield/1h
and so on <3

Even a good 1h/throw/shield spec

1h/shield/pole is posted like 15 times in this thread. usual recommendation of 21/15 1h/shield build with split proficiency, 100 pole and the rest 1h.
1h/shield/throw is also posted a ton, again 21/15 but instead of 7 IF you have 7 PT. 100 1h prof, the rest in throwing.

xbow/1h is common. xbow/1h/shield requires too many slots. I suppose not anymore with the pretty good 0 slot 1h weapons, but meh. Just add shield skill to an xbow build it is pretty simple.

[krakkur]

hi
i need some good ideas on looming 1h weapons..
i need to make this build, a 1h with no shield

but what weapons are preferrable?

need 8 in PS
lvl30
WM 7
rest in maybe IF or ath.
any suggestions..

tnx

[Cyclopsided]

hi
i need some good ideas on looming 1h weapons..
i need to make this build, a 1h with no shield

but what weapons are preferrable?

need 8 in PS
lvl30
WM 7
rest in maybe IF or ath.
any suggestions..

tnx

Weapons are about what you prefer to use. If you prefer faster but shorter / longer but slower and harder hitting / longer but weaker.
1h weapons are all balanced pretty well. Like a certain sword? that is what you want to loom. Stuff like that.

AS FOR THE BUILD THOUGH
level 30 with 8 PS and 7 wm??? Athletics before weapon master ALWAYS. athletics is ten times more valuable and useful to you than weaponmaster will ever be [with the exception of archery].
Athletics makes you move faster, and moving into your attacks faster makes you attack faster and control the fight better.
Athletics has a bigger effect on attack speed than weapon master in that sense.
Athletics lets you control your fights
athletics lets you ditch on bad situations
etc etc etc
wm just gives a marginal weapon speed increase and a small damage bonus.

back to your build though: 8 PS 7 WM is not possible nor a good idea. do something with less conversions. 21/21 gets 7 PS 7 ath 3 WM and that is better -- but 21/18 gets 7 PS 6 ath 6 WM and 4 or 3 IF  I forget. Those are better 1h no shield builds.

[krakkur]

awsome..
many thanks my friend.

[Hagmend]

I am new to crpg, and i don't understand how can you have lets say 18/21 in lvl30, you need lvl34 to be able to have that much points. or am i understanding something wrong ? Also could someone help me out with 2h slow, high damage build and which could throw mostly 1hit kill jarids?

[Torp]

I am new to crpg, and i don't understand how can you have lets say 18/21 in lvl30, you need lvl34 to be able to have that much points. or am i understanding something wrong ? Also could someone help me out with 2h slow, high damage build and which could throw mostly 1hit kill jarids?

you can convert 2 skills points to 1 attribute which allows you to have fx. a 21/18 build

and i'd probably just go 21/15 or 24/12 with max ps, pt, wm and athletics and however much if you can get