Spear Thrust - Too easily blocked

[Vygar]

    I've been playing Pike/Spear and Spear/Shield lately and I've come to the conclusion that spear thrust needs some kind of adjustment as it seems a bit gimped.  With the mechanics being what they are, the thrusting attack of the spear, is far too easy to block and also doesn't inflict enough damage to warrant it being such an easy attack to defend against. 

    I think that this attack should either increase in tthrust speed (likely not even possibl) or significant boost in thrusting damage to offset this flaw in the attack/defend mechanics in the engine.  The reason for this is that especially/specifically when spear/shield is employed, being limited to a single attack direction makes the weapon nearly useless as it's attacks can be fended off too easily.

[Sir_Walther]

Yes spear needs a new animation.

[Vexus]

I would remove the upward hit and make it a thrust to the face.

[DesertEagle]

I think there must be some kind of chance of blocking thrust attack with a weapon.

[Opium.dk]

Increasing thrust speed would be a good idea.

[XXXman]

make: up block, when a spear trust at the head...

[Everkistus]

Increasing thrust speed would be a good idea.

I agree on this. The polearm slow is damn slow compared to twohanders lolstab.

[Vygar]

I would remove the upward hit and make it a thrust to the face.

Is this even possible in the engine?  I'd LOVE to see spears able to strike in the same four directions as other weapons but as a thrust instead of a slash/swing.  This change alone would be perfect without changes to the stats.

[Kophka]

Spears have been broken since the original Warband Beta, over a year ago. The only attack they get with a shield is thrust, and you can counter infinite thrusts with one downblock, forever. Not only that, but when used with a shield, notice the huge delay when you strike someone, before your animation completes. Spear thrusts that do not strike flesh get "hung up" while the animation tries to complete the full thrust, even though the forward motion of the spear has stopped. This is against the swinging weapons that get a "bounce effect" when their strike is blocked. They recover rapidly, able to launch a second strike almost before the blocked animation has completed. Pair all of this with a ridiculously tiny "sweet spot" of about the last 1/8 of the animation, and you get a weapon meant for expert players only. Kudos to y'all that are good with them, you've earned some recognition.

[balbaroth]

Spears have been broken since the original Warband Beta, over a year ago. The only attack they get with a shield is thrust, and you can counter infinite thrusts with one downblock, forever. Not only that, but when used with a shield, notice the huge delay when you strike someone, before your animation completes. Spear thrusts that do not strike flesh get "hung up" while the animation tries to complete the full thrust, even though the forward motion of the spear has stopped. This is against the swinging weapons that get a "bounce effect" when their strike is blocked. They recover rapidly, able to launch a second strike almost before the blocked animation has completed. Pair all of this with a ridiculously tiny "sweet spot" of about the last 1/8 of the animation, and you get a weapon meant for expert players only. Kudos to y'all that are good with them, you've earned some recognition.

waltf4 and deafeningflood are 2 names i would put as spears experts

[Mak33]

Agreed with all... thrust speed and recovery speed needs to be increased, and it's sad that a simple downblock can block any thrust from a polearm. 

[Mutant]

It is sad that any shield block can block every attack. Make new animations for everything now.

[Keltesh]

Yes, spears a gimp atm......I use a German Poleaxe, it has 29 thrust damage.....thats better then a War spear.  I know there is a price difference, but unless you are using a shield there is almost no reason to use a spear over a poleaxe of some sort.

[Seawied]

you guys have never seen the ATS guys with those spears. I used to laugh at people who would use spear/shield, but they made it work. It just requires different tactics than other weapons. Its not a 1 on 1 weapon.

[bredeus]

at least not with a shield but 2 or more ppl can make a difference