This game is perfect, stop messing with it.

[Tears of Destiny]

I for one am happy with the most part for this mod, which is nice considering last I checked it is still an open beta.

Throwing needs a massive tweak. Horses could use a small one, crossbows a small one too just for wpf minimums, and a select few weapons do need a small tweak to smooth out the wrinkles (very small buff for warbow, very small nerf for Bec', fix a few weird things with shields costing more simply due to being green etc).


I am pretty happy with the item balance all things considered.

I mainly am more interested in this there straty thingy...

[Torben]

This game is perfect the way it is, stop messing with it.

true.

[kukufarikki]

I for one am happy with the most part for this mod, which is nice considering last I checked it is still an open beta.

Throwing needs a massive tweak. Horses could use a small one, crossbows a small one too just for wpf minimums, and a select few weapons do need a small tweak to smooth out the wrinkles (very small buff for warbow, very small nerf for Bec', fix a few weird things with shields costing more simply due to being green etc).


I am pretty happy with the item balance all things considered.

I mainly am more interested in this there straty thingy...

Fuck your crossbow tweak, that will make my arbalest near impossible to aim, as it already can't rival an archers reticle at 160 wpf, and the damage was already nerfed with removing the sniper xbow for an arbalest. I think horses are fine, they were already nerfed in the last patch.

[Tears of Destiny]

Fuck your crossbow tweak, that will make my arbalest near impossible to aim, as it already can't rival an archers reticle at 160 wpf, and the damage was already nerfed with removing the sniper xbow for an arbalest. I think horses are fine, they were already nerfed in the last patch.

How will it make it impossible to aim?

All I want is there to be a minimum of wpf for ever crossbow. if you have 160 wpf then you should be able to use every crossbow available. I am not asking for a change in accuracy as a blanket penalty to every crossbow, I am merely asking for there to be some kind of "requirement" for crossbows that force an investment in wpf, so that if you only have 1 wpf then you can only take the worst crossbow.

EDIT: And I am rather confused, what do you mean "damage was already nerfed with removing the sniper xbow for an arbalest.?"

Sniper Crossbow
weight 3.75
requirement 15
spd rtng 18
shoot speed 60
thrust damage 75 pierce
max ammo 1
accuracy 93
Can't reload on horseback
Gen1= 19spd 61shspd 79pierce 94acc
Gen2= 20spd 63shspd 83pierce 95acc
Gen3= 21spd 64shspd 87pierce 96acc

The damage ends even with the same number at the masterwork level...
Steel bolts use to be 8 to 10 damage, and now are 8 to 13... You received more damage actually....

[kukufarikki]

How will it make it impossible to aim?

All I want is there to be a minimum of wpf for ever crossbow. if you have 160 wpf then you should be able to use every crossbow available. I am not asking for a change in accuracy as a blanket penalty to every crossbow, I am merely asking for there to be some kind of "requirement" for crossbows that force an investment in wpf, so that if you only have 1 wpf then you can only take the worst crossbow.

EDIT: And I am rather confused, what do you mean "damage was already nerfed with removing the sniper xbow for an arbalest.?"

Sniper Crossbow
weight 3.75
requirement 15
spd rtng 18
shoot speed 60
thrust damage 75 pierce
max ammo 1
accuracy 93
Can't reload on horseback
Gen1= 19spd 61shspd 79pierce 94acc
Gen2= 20spd 63shspd 83pierce 95acc
Gen3= 21spd 64shspd 87pierce 96acc

The damage ends even with the same number at the masterwork level...
Steel bolts use to be 8 to 10 damage, and now are 8 to 13... You received more damage actually....

Thought you meant making accuracy worse for crossbows, and in turn making 0 wpf hard to shoot with and higher levels have worse accuracy. I would agree with the wpf requirement to use xbows, though, I was just thinking you meant something else.

[Team_Jacob]

Arbalest is already more accurate than bows at 160 wpf. I don't think accuracy needs to be changed. As I suggested in another thread, if wpf requirements for crossbows can't be done, then 0 wpf crossbows need to be insanely inaccurate and take forever to reload, but high wpf users shouldn't be changed.

[Gurnisson]

Arbalest is already more accurate than bows at 160 wpf. I don't think accuracy needs to be changed. As I suggested in another thread, if wpf requirements for crossbows can't be done, then 0 wpf crossbows need to be insanely inaccurate and take forever to reload, but high wpf users shouldn't be changed.

Sounds about right.

[Warcat]

If this would be the case.. why do people, like the OP, consider the game balanced now? When apparently lots of things should be screwed right now.

Because over time people change their builds to adapt for the changes. However when patches come out I've often found that I have to change my build all around and by the time its reworked, I get similar results that I got before the patch. At least when these big changes are made it would be nice to have point and heirloom resets so that I don't have to take time changing things around for the same result as  before. There are lots of things that are screwed up right now. To know how many you'd have to count all the throwers out there, because it is a class that maybe needed a couple adjustments, and instead it now has far less killing potential than any other pure class no matter how you build it. I don't quite agree that the game is perfect right now (Strategus is a part of the game that can use some additions), but I think changes should be put in in smaller amounts and allow people to change when their build no longer works the way it use too without starting over from lvl 1.