Dagger backstabs

[Christo]

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Nice idea, but.. maybe you've played games like this a bith much? 

[Torp]

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Nice idea, but.. maybe you've played games like this a bith much? 

I have played more cRPG

and yes, i got the idea while playing on my assassin alt and RP'ing - but i got it because it simply seemed like crap (both balance-wise, fun-wise and reality-wise) to sneak behind an enemy and then not be able to kill him unless you hit him 5+ times.

[Christo]

I have played more cRPG

and yes, i got the idea while playing on my assassin alt and RP'ing - but i got it because it simply seemed like crap (both balance-wise, fun-wise and reality-wise) to sneak behind an enemy and then not be able to kill him unless you hit him 5+ times.

Well, I'm not against it, but it would need a lot of thought/balancing to be fair.
But sounds nice. A simple damage multiplicator for the back on some weapons (Is that even possible?) would be a good idea too.

[EponiCo]

The long dagger does nearly the same damage as a german greatsword. If you have to hit people 5 times with it you are doing it wrong.

[Torp]

The long dagger does nearly the same damage as a german greatsword. If you have to hit people 5 times with it you are doing it wrong.

No it doesn't and it is easier to hit properly with a longer weapon, and long dagger requires an agi build, meaning you cant have 10 PS.

[EponiCo]

Long Dagger
weapon length: 47
weight: 0.3
speed rating: 112
weapon length: 47
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 23 cut
slots: 0

German Greatsword
weapon length: 123
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 123
thrust damage: 26 pierce
swing damage: 38 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Secondary Mode


Yes it's harder to hit properly. But if you do, it's oneshot to threeshot with 5 PS.

[Seawied]

I've never been 1 shotted by either of those weapons Eponi

[Torp]

nop, and with 3 PS, you're lucky to scracth your opponent

and btw, a German GS user getting behind an enemy would use Overhead, not thrust.

Also; german GS has 4 attack directions, and you are comparing german's weakest to dagger's strongest.

[Seawied]

nop, and with 3 PS, you're lucky to scracth your opponent

and btw, a German GS user getting behind an enemy would use Overhead, not thrust.

Also; german GS has 4 attack directions, and you are comparing german's weakest to dagger's strongest.

exactly this. The German GS's pierce was nerfed down to prevent it from being the end-all-be-all stabbing weapon. Its cut is much more effective.

[EponiCo]

I've never been 1 shotted by either of those weapons Eponi

Well, I have (also by pikes). I've also killed a fair deal of people with dagger oneshot (or long espada) it's certainly possible.

@Torp

Yeah, I know GG has better attack options. Or that every weapon is better. But that kind of makes sense because every weapon is better. You'd only use a dagger because you can conceal it or grappling (which both doesn't exist in warband) or when the enemy is helpless. As it stands you can kill people with long dagger, but it's hard and I see no real problem with that. With 3 PS as a dedicated melee you are also gimping yourself.

[Torp]

Well, I have (also by pikes). I've also killed a fair deal of people with dagger oneshot (or long espada) it's certainly possible.

@Torp

Yeah, I know GG has better attack options. Or that every weapon is better. But that kind of makes sense because every weapon is better. You'd only use a dagger because you can conceal it or grappling (which both doesn't exist in warband) or when the enemy is helpless. As it stands you can kill people with long dagger, but it's hard and I see no real problem with that. With 3 PS as a dedicated melee you are also gimping yourself.

'When the enemy is helpless' should be when he is unaware of the presence of the enemy behind him. In that situation, you can't get a kill with the dagger unless your opponent is very lightly armored or you beat him in he duel that comes after your first one-two hits.