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Is this a good idea?

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Dagger backstabs
« on: June 15, 2011, 10:34:45 pm »
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there should be an option to 1-hit enemies if you sneak in from behind with long dagger and assassinate them.
It should be something with holding the attack while aiming at the head or something so it cant be done in a regular fight, but it would make long dagger better and much more fun without making it OP in any way, and it would open up for a whole new kind of RP'ing.

I cant stand sneaking up behind an enemy without a noice, silently moving in right behind him, stab him in the face... only to damage 1/5 of his life and then get killed when he turns around and slashes your face with a nodachi.

It wouldn't mess with the reality thing either, since you should be able to kill someone if you manage to get behind him without him noticing you and you have a long dagger.

EDIT: probably not possible without WSE, but then we might be able to do it :)

This ability should not  be possible when using shield and tehre should also be certain restrictions on other stuff (so you dont walk around with 1h/shield and then just switch to dagger when yu get the chance to backstab someone)
« Last Edit: June 16, 2011, 09:55:13 am by Torp »

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2011, 11:49:26 pm »
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Don't see why not, as long as it's not overpowered. Though you can pretty much do this with other, more powerful 1handers today.

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2011, 12:05:35 am »
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Don't see why not, as long as it's not overpowered. Though you can pretty much do this with other, more powerful 1handers today.

yeah, but lnog dagger has more style :D and it would be nice for assassin RP chars :D

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 12:07:19 am »
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What is WSE?

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 04:29:44 am »
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100% against, this is not TF2
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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2011, 07:37:02 am »
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Yeah max athletics, no armor just a shield and dagger.
In what way is that not OP?
Pretty easy to sneak up on someone when you have high athletics.

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2011, 07:41:21 am »
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I cant stand sneaking up behind an enemy without a noice, silently moving in ...

That's because the sound in this game is pure shit.  Not because of any good stealthy skills.
And I should be nice or polite to anyone.... why exactly?

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2011, 09:53:34 am »
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That's because the sound in this game is pure shit.  Not because of any good stealthy skills.

can be, but it's still annoying to not be able atleast 2-shot people when doing it and it's still not easy to do in big battles since a shitload of other enemies will most likely see you as an easy kill and try to kill you.

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 10:37:19 am »
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It would probably be heavily abused. What you are saying is that we should give a peasant with a dagger the ability to 1 hit-kill people, meanwhile the only other type of class that can do that is a godlike level 30 2h tincan that had to invest 12 points in Power Strike. To many problems with game balance.
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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2011, 11:16:53 am »
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It would probably be heavily abused. What you are saying is that we should give a peasant with a dagger the ability to 1 hit-kill people, meanwhile the only other type of class that can do that is a godlike level 30 2h tincan that had to invest 12 points in Power Strike. To many problems with game balance.

are you syaing a long dagger will be overpowered with this feature? lol

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2011, 11:26:09 am »
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are you syaing a long dagger will be overpowered with this feature? lol

Yes. You're already doing fine with your little chambering dagger, you don't need that, only more practice.
Also, why give a long dagger instakill ability "for RP", and not give horses a rear attack "for RP", and range weapon a 'slow' "for RP".


This is definitely a bad idea.
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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2011, 11:54:39 am »
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are you syaing a long dagger will be overpowered with this feature? lol

I'm saying running with a 500 gold equipment should not give you the ability to 1-hit kill people. It would only work If there is a significant drawback on the part of the user so basically you can't fight back if you get spotted, for example a separate skill requiring a high agility level, just like horse archery works. But do we really need another class that runs around the battlefield naked with a dagger trying to stab people and has no other use for the team just because 'it's cool' ?

It would only work if there is a whole new framework  for the character to work in, for example a spy that can change clothes, assassinate the guards and open the enemy gates unnoticed etc. But I'm afraid that's a completely different game.

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2011, 07:17:20 pm »
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I'm saying running with a 500 gold equipment should not give you the ability to 1-hit kill people. It would only work If there is a significant drawback on the part of the user

You do realize that long dagger cant block and that it takes 5 hits to kill an enemy opponent wearing cloth armor... when you dont glance, that is?

and that cav has the exact same ability, it's called 'couching', the only difference is that couching doesnt take as long, you can get behind the enemy faster and you are also effective when you dont couch.

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Re: Dagger backstabs
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2011, 07:24:20 pm »
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I'd honestly like to see this. I think it would need some balancing and would run the risk of being OP. But it should be manageable with some testing.