Nerf Archery #meleelivesmatter

[Grytviken]

Nothing other than a complete nerf of archery is acceptable. Increasing the wpf penalty so that Archers can't be a pinpoint sniper with 18 agi is a good idea too.

The whole " ranged is only strong in groups " argument was found to be false. Archery is the strongest class in low pop and high pop.

Even with 18 str Archers still do a comparable amount of damage to any other class. Tested damage in duel server and strat battles and playing archery with 18 str is more than doable, in fact it's really easy considering how long you have to aim with 0 recoil.

I can't believe 2h cut damage was nerfed but overpowered ranged was allowed to go on like this. Would balancers rather see the mod die before nerfing ranged? Let's find out.

[bensai]

"Ranged will leave if we touch archery!" - virgin, 2018

Ranged won't leave, there's not even half a dozen dedicated archers at this point

START CONSIDERING A NEW RANGED REBALANCE OR


#WEWILLQUIT

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Been playing around with different archer builds lately, I have maybe a combined 20 hours of playing archer on Warband but was somehow able to scoreboard almost every map as 21/21 7PD, 7PS, wearing light heavy armor, hitting accurate shots, and then engaging in melee to finish off. Maybe they should have gotten a shield tho!!

Does it seem fair that someone who has hundreds or even thousands of hours in melee can be helplessly killed by some shooty boy? Don't say "just dodge better or get a shield!!" because 0 difficulty shields barely work, and if you're not a tard archer you can predict the dodge direction at least 25% of the time if not more. With 7 PD and less than 130 WPF in archery I was able to snipe, do 3.5-4 bars a shot on average to heavier armor levels and could STILL fuck people up in melee very comfortable with my 1 slot 1H sword and 7 PS. Maybe everyone should play hybrid archer right?!!

[nikklenikkle]

ooga booga me use 2h ooga booga why me get shot?

[Yeldur]

We're making/debating/considering some changes to archery. Unfortunately archery is one of those classes that is very hard to balance; however, I think we've come to a decent solution that isn't a straight up nerf, but also changes playstyles a little and forces you to think more about where you want your direction to be.

[bensai]

We're making/debating/considering some changes to archery. Unfortunately archery is one of those classes that is very hard to balance; however, I think we've come to a decent solution that isn't a straight up nerf, but also changes playstyles a little and forces you to think more about where you want your direction to be.

how about you reveal to the PUBLIC your proposed changes and we will see if WE like it huh

[Yeldur]

how about you reveal to the PUBLIC your proposed changes and we will see if WE like it huh

how about you BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS



edit:
on a more serious note:

We've not finalised anything yet and everything is still a debate, that's why I'm not posting any specifics, however I can say that at the moment we're looking at ammo counts and movement speeds.

[bensai]

I think overall damage per shot across different PD levels is a bigger issue, then kiting/movement speed

[Grytviken]

[the real god emperor]

Reduce bow PD requirements, thus reducing the maximum PD effective, thus reducing archery dmg and forcing archers out of tanky ass str builds

[Gravoth_iii]

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Scientific evidence from a great source, i approve! Reminds me of a more important balancing decision about some other lengthy weapon

[San]

You just can't dispute science like that

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

Here's a summary of changes being considered:

• Changing the weapon length modifier for bows to lower their top speed (wep length lowers your max speed)
• Lowering ammo count for higher end arrows (bodkins and tatar)
• horses receiving a damage resistance to ranged
• Internal bow balance: damage compression, weaker bows are faster

[Grytviken]

Scientific evidence from a great source, i approve! Reminds me of a more important balancing decision about some other lengthy weapon

Lengthy weapons like this?

https://youtu.be/3v0xGd4q4u4?t=349

[Gravoth_iii]

Lengthy weapons like this?

https://youtu.be/3v0xGd4q4u4?t=349

Cold steel is fake news, not credible at all. Those spears are braced far harder than any mortal could hold them, and as they cannot flow with the sword swings they can do naught but be cut. Not to mention just like the shields its all probably made out of junk wood. And the beasts swinging are too badass for the average man, you cant be that cool and also be a man of science.

[Casul]

Cant we just remove Yeldur and enjoy the game?