Buff Spears

[Gravoth_iii]

As is scientifically proven in this video spears are generally better than swords (not to mention spear users are smarter, cooler, more handsome and generally more pleasant to be around than sword users). You may commence the buffings now, i'll happily take back some turnrates, perhaps a bit of damage too. Oh and a overhead stab since the polearm one is trash.

Dont @ me.

[Grytviken]

As is scientifically proven in this video spears are generally better than swords (not to mention spear users are smarter, cooler, more handsome and generally more pleasant to be around than sword users). You may commence the buffings now, i'll happily take back some turnrates, perhaps a bit of damage too. Oh and a overhead stab since the polearm one is trash.

Dont @ me.

History says otherwise though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Wars


Here we have several well documented examples spanning multiple wars involving battle hardened and professionally trained Macedonian, Greek and Seleucid spearmen + hoplites being slaughtered by Roman swordsmen. Probably the best example you can find of trained soldiers using spears vs swords considering the majority of European medieval armies were mainly filled with poorly trained peasant levies.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

I've watched that video and it was pretty laughably biased in favor of the spear. Literally did like 20 matches of 1h no shield vs spear (where spear has MASSIVE advantage) but then when they swap to shield vs spear and they sweep every match they only do like 6 or 7 matches before quickly swapping. They just let spears run up the score when they have the advantage and change it so when they dont. In the group fights, why were the swords all 2h and not 1h and shield? Wonder how that fight would have went.


It was also really obvious none of them had ever really fought with shields before either. All in all, a shit video.


Also, polearms is already arguably the best class in cRPG so dont see why they need a buff. I just recently swapped from 2h to pole and holy fuck its so easy to rack up kills

[bensai]

well the funniest thing about HEMA "hit" counting is any tip/edge contact with the opponent being a point. like even if you're only wearing a medium gambeson, 75% of the hits that would "count" in HEMA would MAYBE leave a scratch in a medieval fight. A lot of the fights in that video show the spear guy making such weak contact with legs and shoulders

[Grytviken]

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae_(191_BC)

Even under the very best conditions, in the same mountain pass that the Spartans fought the Persians hundreds of years before the Greeks were severely defeated in a frontal assault in the narrow gap by Roman swordsmen charging their Sarissas and Phalanxes head on. 

The spear is a reliable weapon still no doubt, but it's effectiveness even against cavalry is greatly exaggerated, example even where you can brace your spear, the impact of the horse is going to break your arm and then you will be trampled or crushed to death if you stand fast in formation. Even if you do manage to stop the first horse you will be severely wounded or crushed, and then there are 5-10 more horses following after that, in other words you are screwed either way. Cavalry were able to roll through formations of spearmen with relative ease up until professional pikemen could be employed, even then they had severe trouble handling cavalry because of the various angles and timings of cavalry attacks.

[N1PS]

the army of whooshy helicopter pike stabbers will prevail!

[gallonigher]

Sounds legit to me; you may buff my corseque now.  Please and thank you.

[Asheram]

Yes I agree with bringing back the overhead spear stab.

[Zeus_]

the army of whooshy helicopter pike stabbers will prevail!

yes, i agree, also pikemen have a bond nobody else will understand.

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[gallonigher]

yes, i agree, also pikemen have a bond nobody else will understand.

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You are so right.  Let us gingerly touch our tips

[Gravoth_iii]

You are so right.  Let us gingerly touch our tips

Dont forget measuring and comparing lengths and thrust speeds.

[Sniger]

swords is a new invention compared to spears.

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notice the forward lances, this pose wont break limbs at horse impact

[Turkhammer]

Yup, pretty dopey to believe that bracing a long spear's end in the ground will break your arm on horse impact.  A horse will naturally shy away from an obstacle.  A hedgehog of spears would be insurmountable to cavalry UNLESS they could attack the formation in the flanks or rear.  The square solved that.

[Gurnisson]

Yup, pretty dopey to believe that bracing a long spear's end in the ground will break your arm on horse impact.  A horse will naturally shy away from an obstacle.  A hedgehog of spears would be insurmountable to cavalry UNLESS they could attack the formation in the flanks or rear.  The square solved that.

This documentary proves you're wrong

[njames89]

I got poked a lot by pikes yesterday so I think the only rational thing to do is delet polearms