Is Islam not a religion of peace or is it simply a religion at war?

[Cyber]

Addressing hateful historical revisionism masquerading as objective scholarship is beneath me.

[Nickleback]

Your feeble western minds are unable to decide whether we are hostile or not.LE ME EXPLAIN : islam and all religions are hostile ,all cults are religion of war,because all religions naturally form a unity among themselves when a unity between some people are made ;  the other,the different,the excluded earthlings from the unity will be the enemy,therefore,eventually there will be war versus the included and excluded.omg i am so sophisticated.

[njames89]

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[Golem]

the excluded earthlings from the unity will be the enemy

However, if there be any who suffers without previous sin, it will not be "by the design of an [adverse] power", but as suffers the babe who appears to have committed no sin. The infant is said to receive a benefit when it is subjected to suffering, "gaining" many hardships

Funny. If you read both of these, side by side, then you can see how both are false, as well as true statements.

[Angantyr]

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Interestingly, the superguns used by the Ottomans during the Fall of Constantinople were made by an engineer from Europe (most likely Hungarian or German) and the bombard technology itself was also European, mainly German.

[njames89]

Does the engineer have a name? Sounds like an interesting story.

[Angantyr]

It's a good story. His name was Orban, ironically enough.

http://www.camrea.org/2017/09/11/orban-the-man-who-brought-down-the-walls-of-constantinople-part-i/

[Paul]

"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?"

German tradition.

[njames89]

It's a good story. His name was Orban, ironically enough.

http://www.camrea.org/2017/09/11/orban-the-man-who-brought-down-the-walls-of-constantinople-part-i/

Absolutely love reading stuff like this. To think of all the meticulous historical work needed to preserve such information.

[WITCHCRAFT]

It's a good story. His name was Orban, ironically enough.

http://www.camrea.org/2017/09/11/orban-the-man-who-brought-down-the-walls-of-constantinople-part-i/

On the day when cannon are to be cast, the masters, foremen and founders, together with the Grand Master of the Artillery, the Chief Overseer, Imam, Muezzin and timekeeper, all assemble and to the cries of “Allah! Allah!,” the wood is thrown into the furnace. After these have been heated doe twenty-four hours, the founders and stokers strip naked, wearing nothing but their slippers, an odd kind of cap which leaves nothing but their eyes visible, and thick sleeves to protect his arms; for, after the fire has been alight in the furnaces twenty-four hours, no person can approach on account of the heat, save he be attired in the above manner. Whoever wishes to see a good picture of the fires of hell should witness this sight.

that is super fucking cool, thanks for the link

the Ottomans likely acquired bronze bells from Christian churches to be melted and remolded into cannons.

the Vezirs, the Mufti and Sheiks are summoned; only forty persons, besides the personnel of the foundry, are admitted all told. The rest of the attendants are shut out, because the [tin], when infusion, will not suffer to be looked at by evil eyes. Thereupon the master-workmen with wooden shovels throw several hundredweight of tin into the sea of molten brass, and the head-founder says to the Grand Vizier, Vezirs and Sheiks: “Throw some gold and silver coins into the brazen sea as alms, in the name of the True Faith!” Poles as long as the yard of ships are used for mixing the gold and silver with the metal and are replaced as fast as consumed... in three months a terrible and unprecedented monster was constructed and cast.”

badass

holy shit he built a cannon that had a muzzle almost 1 meter wide. That's far larger than any modern era naval cannons. I know, I know, it's a literal cannon and not a giant rifled barrel firing shells, but holy shit that is some incredible brute force. I can't even imagine the sound of one being fired.

[Torben]

yo crazy thing was that despite huge holes the connons shot into the byzantine walls some superhero like genoese captain,  giovanni sth sth,  ahead of a small professional soldiers force held those holes,  filled them up, swept away waves and waves of ottomann intruders.  only when he was shot down,  did the walls,  and consequently the city,  fall.

[Golem]

holy shit he built a cannon that had a muzzle almost 1 meter wide

Wouldn't that just be incredibly inefficient?

[Nickleback]

Stop spreading triump of my holy country,to eu cuntries.We took down the walls with our own mechanics and professionals.Wiki is biased because it is eu based site,discussion is over thank you for participating.

[WITCHCRAFT]

Wouldn't that just be incredibly inefficient?

yes but that makes it even more badass

[Beauchamp]

Hmmm I'm not really sure you know it gets kinda difficult.