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the deve wipe?
« on: April 09, 2018, 09:20:16 am »
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like every other decision i've made as developer, the answer is yes and no. no, your characters will not be wiped, but yes there will be the option to play on a wiped server.

my current plan is to set up two additional servers, one for NA, and one for EU, each of which can only be played on by certain characters. that is, the new servers cannot be played on by characters made on normal servers (NA1, NA7, the EU ones), and characters made on the new servers will not be able to play on main servers. additionally, there will be no option to transfer between these two types of characters, and characters made on these new 'wipe' servers cannot be strat heroes.

essentially, the wipe servers will give players the choice to participate gameplay on the same level as everyone else. additionally, these servers will be wiped semi-annually or something. ideally this could include seasons or special items for the person who performed the best on the servers during said season. or other things, it's more of a concept at the moment.

why this?
well, the community is pretty much dead split on the issue of wipe. if you wipe, you lose players who don't want to see their progress .. wiped. but if you don't wipe, you run the chance of game slowly dying out completely. at the same time, wiping gives the opportunity of starting afresh, and drawing in new players, while not wiping leaves player's grinded items intact. now, i'm not pro wipe, nor against wiping. i just see the benefits and drawbacks of each side, and wanted to come up with a solution that could in some sense get the best of both worlds. with this system, players have the option to participate in the peasantry wars, or keep playing on main servers with their hard-ground equipment. i'm fairly sure that the new servers will allow us to test whether there is a demand for a wipe, as we will see whether these servers are popular or not. if they aren't popular, and die out, well then it's pretty likely that there aren't a large amount of players willing to come back if the mod is wiped. if they are popular, and players come back, then that's great!
thankfully, this won't be entirely difficult to implement. it requires adding in some values to the database, copying the current battle gamemode and slightly modifying it, and ensuring that there can't be contact between different types of players. if i worked like i did in november, this could be definitely done in a week. but, there's other things i need to focus on for now.

what are issues with this?
i can't think of a lot. as far as i can tell, the only risk that comes with this is splitting the playerbase. which is fairly valid. but, my hope is that players would give the wiped servers a try, even if they were not pro-wipe. alternatively, these servers could be set up for specific periods during the week, leaving the rest of the time for the main servers. if worst comes to worst and playerbase is split in a way that threatens future population stability, then there's always the option of shutting down the servers. hopefully that won't happen


that's my general plan as of now regarding the wipe issue. i'm open to ideas, criticism, suggestions, all that stuff, but unless someone has a stronger proposal, this is what will get implemented. i'm not gonna give out definite dates of when this will occur, but likely before summer. i'll try to remember to read the thread. and do let me know if my idea is unclear at all
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2018, 09:22:02 am »
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2018, 10:01:39 am »
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this is a simulated wipe on non-standard servers. for example, i'll probably create two servers NA9 and EU9. you can only join those servers with characters made on either of them. that is, you can't take your main and play on this server. characters created on this server will be unable to trade or transfer with characters made outside the server.

all other characters not made on those servers will not be wiped. again, unless you make a character on NA9 or EU9 when they pop up, your characters will not be wiped
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2018, 10:10:18 am »
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What are the chances that we can have a strat only for those characters? Otherwise I don't think anyone will be arsed to play and it will further divide the community. What happened to "either wipe or not wipe" slogan of yours? We certainly tried the no wipe way didn't we? Why can't we just let it all go and try to give it one final spark by wiping everything and reseting strat simulatenously? Nothing else will work and you know it. Especially this, thinking this will make people play and make everyone happy is madness. But for some reason, we never go for the obvious solution at our hands. What do we lose from a full wipe? Half of our community?Zero divided by two is still zero lol.

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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2018, 10:36:53 am »
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What are the chances that we can have a strat only for those characters? Otherwise I don't think anyone will be arsed to play and it will further divide the community. What happened to "either wipe or not wipe" slogan of yours? We certainly tried the no wipe way didn't we? Why can't we just let it all go and try to give it one final spark by wiping everything and reseting strat simulatenously? Nothing else will work and you know it. Especially this, thinking this will make people play and make everyone happy is madness. But for some reason, we never go for the obvious solution at our hands. What do we lose from a full wipe? Half of our community?Zero divided by two is still zero lol.

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NA has been gaining players, only EU is dead. Why wipe everything because EU players are crybabies that refuse to play?
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2018, 10:37:29 am »
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What are the chances that we can have a strat only for those characters? Otherwise I don't think anyone will be arsed to play and it will further divide the community. What happened to "either wipe or not wipe" slogan of yours? We certainly tried the no wipe way didn't we? Why can't we just let it all go and try to give it one final spark by wiping everything and reseting strat simulatenously? Nothing else will work and you know it. Especially this, thinking this will make people play and make everyone happy is madness. But for some reason, we never go for the obvious solution at our hands. What do we lose from a full wipe? Half of our community?Zero divided by two is still zero lol.

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strat only? maybe. for the other stuff, i hope that this server idea can simulate a wipe without actually wiping away the years of progress
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2018, 10:58:58 am »
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2018, 11:05:31 am »
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I appreciate all your work Prof, but this is a shitty milketoast fence-sitting solution that fixes nothing. I agree with Kratos, if you're serious about a wipe it's all or nothing imo.
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2018, 11:07:38 am »
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I appreciate all your work Prof, but this is a shitty milketoast fence-sitting solution that fixes nothing. I agree with Kratos, if you're serious about a wipe it's all or nothing imo.
Wow I agree with Oberyn on something, but yea this seem like the worst thing to do. Either you wipe or no wipe there is no middle ground.
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2018, 11:11:16 am »
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2018, 12:04:37 pm »
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I appreciate all your work Prof, but this is a shitty milketoast fence-sitting solution that fixes nothing. I agree with Kratos, if you're serious about a wipe it's all or nothing imo.

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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2018, 12:12:11 pm »
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I'll try it out i suppose, maybe to get a full set.
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2018, 12:18:13 pm »
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Keep backup of the current database so that if wipe ends up as an utter failure (although I can't see how it could be worse than current cRPG state) you can always officially roll-back to it. Keeping it as a semi-accessible thing by choice and splitting the already dying population further seems like a bad move.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2018, 01:26:23 pm »
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Keep backup of the current database so that if wipe ends up as an utter failure (although I can't see how it could be worse than current cRPG state) you can always officially roll-back to it. Keeping it as a semi-accessible thing by choice and splitting the already dying population further seems like a bad move.

Isnt the population just literally dead atm? At least there will maybe be some life in the wipe server for a while, doesnt seem like it would make a difference at this point really.
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Re: the deve wipe?
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2018, 03:12:11 pm »
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1. Thinking of splitting players into 2 groups at this time seems a bit dilusional... like the fuehrer moving armies on his map that have been wiped out long ago. Or do you still have a secret weapon up your sleeves that can change the course of the mod?

2. Why don't you make a sticky where everyone leaving the mod can post their reasons why, no matter if they joined 8 years ago or yesterday. Because all the people here talking about wipe are still playing...

3. If you should wipe after all, just get rid of looms and levels alltogether. I predict that without grinding people will tend to play much less, but I for once don't want to go through all that grinding shit again, if there's a reset. Just remove all +1/2/3s and give everyone the same amount of skill points plus unrestricted respecs.

4. What you really should do is to change something about gameplay and gamemodes. Something new might get people interested again. How about a team death match server for example? I bet one of the worst things for new players is having to fight against all these pros who have been playing forever, only to get killed first every round and have to watch for 2 or 3 minutes. You can hardly even practice and get better when you're dead all the time. You could also try to do something with bots and PVP at the same time, maybe with conquest + resources for that RTS touch and what not. But maybe TDM would be a good start... and if you can add bots while the player count is low, you will have proven your competence.