Am I racist? 2.0

[Oberyn]

Were the naz1s and far righters wrong, when they warned of the horrors of communist rule? I don't agree with the perception of their complaints as entirely cynical propaganda to spread fear and gather power. It was their own fears as well, and well justified when you know ANYTHING about the soviet revolution and the subsequent horrors. You can say what you will about the fascists, but they at least loved and protected and wanted someone to prosper, even if it was their own people and ultimately at the bloody expense of others.

No such saving grace can be laid at the feet of the communists. In every way it is a much more insane and destructive ideology than fascism. Having read and researched the period and the history of both these forms of governments, I much more fear the far-left than the far-right. And the far-left is today imbedded in power, and the far-right has been contained and smashed for decades, while the heirs of the communists have gone from institution to institution of influence, seeding their ideology.

[Oberyn]

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11035

"Prof blames mathematics for 'global disparities in wealth'"

If you can read this and not feel at least slightly concerned about the spread of ideology, a very particular ideology, throughout academia like a poison, then you're either blind or part of the problem. This isn't rare. This isn't some sort of unusual discourse. It is a cult with incredible reach and power.

[Torben]

Were the naz1s and far righters wrong, when they warned of the horrors of communist rule? I don't agree with the perception of their complaints as entirely cynical propaganda to spread fear and gather power. It was their own fears as well, and well justified when you know ANYTHING about the soviet revolution and the subsequent horrors. You can say what you will about the fascists, but they at least loved and protected and wanted someone to prosper, even if it was their own people and ultimately at the bloody expense of others.

No such saving grace can be laid at the feet of the communists. In every way it is a much more insane and destructive ideology than fascism. Having read and researched the period and the history of both these forms of governments, I much more fear the far-left than the far-right. And the far-left is today imbedded in power, and the far-right has been contained and smashed for decades, while the heirs of the communists have gone from institution to institution of influence, seeding their ideology.

I respect that some of that.  But do you have to be part of the one extreme to counter the other?

Anyways,  I see the weimar years as very relevant and have had the pleasure to pass some time with the study of them as well - looking forward to discussing them a bit with you next week

[Oberyn]

I am as reactionary as that which provokes me. The lesson of the rise of the naz1s is that the far-right FEEDS off the far-left. One is a reaction to the other, a pendulum swinging wildly in an attempt to return to a balance. Like I said, if the globalist far-left eases off the pedal, the reaction will die. But they won't, because they can't. There are no brakes on this train.

[Torben]

I am as reactionary as that which provokes me. The lesson of the rise of the naz1s is that the far-right FEEDS off the far-left. One is a reaction to the other, a pendulum swinging wildly in an attempt to return to a balance. Like I said, if the globalist far-left eases off the pedal, the reaction will die. But they won't, because they can't. There are no brakes on this train.

Thats very relevant for the interaction between the extreme left and right indeed.
However I consider a sticky, gooy, econimicaly stable center as a good manner to slow down that pendulum and keep its extreem swings at bay.

Would you say that communism or nationalsocialism would have had a chance in an environment of stable economy?

[Xant]

And the far left's mainstream appeal would evaporate if people were paid living wages and didn't have to lump in with them.

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[Angantyr]

Communist insurrection and revolution wasn't some sort of McCarthyist Red Scare paranoia, it was a constant and ever present risk. Strange how Bavaria was the heartland of the naz1 party...such a massive coincidence. Could it possibly have anything to do with the Bavarian Soviet Republic? The supposed "conspiracy theory" of a "stab in the back" while Germany was reeling from the consequences of the first World War...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic . Almost as if this event had massive consequences, along with the constant Soviet pressure at every level afterwards.

Not to mention the role of Marxists in the November Revolution and the Spartacist uprising. The Weimar Republic itself was a shaky middleground product of the SPD.

Many leading socialist and Marxist revolutionaries and leaders in both Germany, Poland, Hungary and Russia were also Jewish internationalists. Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemburg, Kurt Eisner, Béla Kun (the leader of the Hungarian Soviet Republic), Mátyás Rákosi, Ferdinand Lassalle (the founder of the German Socialist Party) to name a few of the most well-known, and many Jews held prominent posts in the Republic aswell as in Russian and Hungarian leadership and in Polish socialist movements. So many that the Hungarian Mátyás Rákosi later joked that the revolution's Jewish leaders took the non-Jewish Sándor Garbai in so that they would have somebody to sign the death sentences on Shabbat.

[Angantyr]

They are at their designated spot in the desert, where they belong

Neat Herero genocide reference.

[njames89]

Just did some wiki reading on that Ian Smith fellow. Interesting read.

[Angantyr]

He is a very interesting figure. I can recommend The Great Betrayal, his autobiography.

[Oberyn]

So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.

What sickens me about left-wing people, especially the intellectuals, is their utter ignorance of the way things actually happen.

- Orwell

[Rando]

lmao. owned

[Oberyn]

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Read up on the story behind the crying child they've apparently chosen to use as a symbol for their latest bout of crocodile tears. It's quite enlightening how divorced from reality the narrative they've cobbled from a contextless pic is.

[Rando]

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Read up on the story behind the crying child they've apparently chosen to use as a symbol for their latest bout of crocodile tears. It's quite enlightening how divorced from reality the narrative they've cobbled from a contextless pic is.

Heard about that today, doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Angantyr]

'How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of Race' by professor of genetics at Harvard David Reich https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

I have deep sympathy for the concern that genetic discoveries could be misused to justify racism. But as a geneticist I also know that it is simply no longer possible to ignore average genetic differences among “races.”

Groundbreaking advances in DNA sequencing technology have been made over the last two decades. These advances enable us to measure with exquisite accuracy what fraction of an individual’s genetic ancestry traces back to, say, West Africa 500 years ago — before the mixing in the Americas of the West African and European gene pools that were almost completely isolated for the last 70,000 years. With the help of these tools, we are learning that while race may be a social construct, differences in genetic ancestry that happen to correlate to many of today’s racial constructs are real.

Recent genetic studies have demonstrated differences across populations not just in the genetic determinants of simple traits such as skin color, but also in more complex traits like bodily dimensions and susceptibility to diseases. For example, we now know that genetic factors help explain why northern Europeans are taller on average than southern Europeans, why multiple sclerosis is more common in European-Americans than in African-Americans, and why the reverse is true for end-stage kidney disease.