Zottlmarsch

[Jona]

I have screencaps of James trying to pay me cash for looms, can he get banned for that?

Rofl, I was waiting for this story to come back into the light... aaaaand now he's silenced also. Classy as always.

[njames89]

TBH not sure why we didn't remove Havelle from forums as well as the game. Hes permanently banned for ban evading already.

[Bittersteel]

Are you fucking retarded? You've gone full autistic man.

[Jona]

TBH not sure why we didn't remove Havelle from forums as well as the game. Hes permanently banned for ban evading already.

Because despite however many times you get banned on one or the other, the bans don't carry over unless you do something banworthy on each individually. I.e. Allers wasn't banned from the forums each and every time he was banned in-game. Nor was panos, afaik. Only lately have mods/admins deemed it 'necessary' to ban someone on one medium for an infraction on the other. In short, zottl "should" (lol) have been banned in-game for breaking the mod's rules. However the ban shouldn't have carried over to the forum. The reason for this is simple, when banned from the mod, you were told to make your case in the unban section of the forums. Something you obviously can't do if you're wrongfully banned from the forum as well.

[Bittersteel]

Though havelle tried to lure me into breaking the rules so he could try and get my admin removed, because he is a cunt, I never went through with sending him the wine thankfully and never broke the rules.

So, this is the point where you provide the proof of Zottl selling looms? Or do I get banned for claiming I've teamkilled you a thousand times on purpose?

[njames89]

I'm not gonna have Havelle spewing some bullshit about how I tried to sell him looms . He tried to get me to do it and it didn't work. Hes also never gonna be allowed to play the game again because of how he behaved to a bunch of the admins and how he broke the rules. That's the way she goes.

[Turkhammer]

Retroactively banned for breaking the rules years ago. I feel it's only fair if all DRZ and Greys were finally perma'd for multiaccounting. Not like any play the game anymore anyways lol.

Retroactive banning means he was banned for something that was made an offense after he did the act.  It does not mean a lengthy delay in the administration of a ban.

[Xant]

Holy fuck hahahah.

[Molly]

BOOOH!
BOOOOOOOH!
BOOOOOOOOOOH!


Also lol.

[RD_Professor]

This ban came about because he posted that he had sold looms for cash this week or so. It's not that us admins were furiously searching through all of his posts, trying to dig up dirt on him so that we could ban him, no, he flat out said that he broke the rules.

Poor analogy here, but if someone tells a police officer that they murdered someone 20 years ago, odds are that person will be arrested and punished accordingly.

Should he have been banned from forums? Perhaps not. As some have said, how can he tell his side of it if he's banned on the forums? Then again, there isn't much else to tell when you admit to selling looms for cash.

Here's the post. Context is James asked him how many looms he had.

I played the market well and had like 35 +3s, but I sold them for real life cash just before the patch of destiny when there was a lot of hype. It was a smart move.

[Bittersteel]

Ehm yes, everyone knows that? Read the thread, maybe?

[the real god emperor]

As you said. Poor analogy. You are not the police. They are not murderers. Buying selling looms for real money never ended up with a forum ban. You realise that we don't use this forum because we can't let crpg go, we are here cus it's a good board. You can't ban people from forums randomly just because you hold the ropes now. Ban from the game? Nobody cares. It was a retarded decision.

[Xant]

Classic power trip move from new admins.

[Jona]

Poor analogy here, but if someone tells a police officer that they murdered someone 20 years ago, odds are that person will be arrested and punished accordingly.

I'm sure the cops would at least ask the man who he murdered, that way they can check their files and see if that person existed and indeed got murdered. If not, then he's just a loony toon and/or someone seeking attention. Needless to say the police officers would then proceed to take an official statement, admission of guilt, etc. Similarly, you don't get arrested in Russia for a minor infraction you committed in Mexico. Same goes for crpg - the mod and the forums have always been two separate entities, and the punishment very rarely, if ever would cross over. Infinitely more in-game bans have been handed out than forum bans.

Sure, as you pointed out, the analogy doesn't hold up 1:1, but we should at least have stricter regulations around here other than "he said something, let's believe it and punish him accordingly." Think about it, if I said "Professor sold looms back in the day," would the other devs instantly ban you? Unlikely, they would instead ask for proof first. Same standards apply with an admission of guilt, especially since no one tried so hard as to ask "wait, seriously?" to get confirmation one way or the other.

Edit: Similarly, Havelle got banned only because he "spread lies and slander" about good ole James here. Sorry, but that has never been a ban-worthy offense on the forums, especially if you only made one post about it. If you spam it in every thread, well that can understandably lead to a mute, then a longer mute, and eventually perhaps a ban, yes. But one post saying "i have the dirt on him, lel" is a far cry from a permaban.

[Gravoth_iii]

Dishing out bans in a near dead community for a dead mod. Its almost as if it wouldve been better to just drop development so we can at least keep forums on life support.