c-RPG Pro-Database Wipe Assembly [No polls, written opinions.]

[njames89]

Look I'm sorry Kratos but the answer is no. I am OK with a partial wipe because it doesn't completely reset years of progress that was made under the promise that there would be no more wipes.

If you took the time to look into it you would know that professor is looking at an option that would result in several months of game play with characters reset and no looms before people could earn a small portion of their old looms back. But by all means get offended  and cry some more. I'm big bad James. We did have a poll and your opinion is irrelevant.

[the real god emperor]

I hope you are acting like you misunderstood what I tried to say. I know what a partial wipe is gonna like. No question in that and big cheers to Professor and Dupre for the work they have done.
I am neither offended or crying. Simply put; I dont care. I have enough stuff to spend time on my free time and work to do irl. Not craving for nostalgia. But you can't call other's opinions irrelevant just because someone was kind enough to spend their weekend to give you access to a dead mod, especially if you asked for said opinions. But you keep being the manchild you are even when confronted with these. Good job!

[Thryn]

hey how about we wipe the server and then after we find out that it changed nothing we reset the wipe and give everyone back their looms

[njames89]

Well I've said this a bunch of times Kratos and it's just annoying me to have to come on here and explain things to you again.

[Jona]

I am OK with a partial wipe because it doesn't completely reset years of progress that was made under the promise that there would be no more wipes.

But we already have a partial wipe in effect, and it reset years of progress for some people, so obviously you're okay with one.

[njames89]

Level changes have nothing to do with partial wipe and were not something I had anything to do with. But if you'd like to cry here as well get it all out.

[Jona]

The current patch may not have anything to do with a loom-related partial wipe, but it is already a partial wipe in and of itself. Also glad to see you falling back on your fool-proof self defense mechanism of "they disagree with me, therefore they are crying haters." Haven't seen that side of you since you got bodied in strat. 

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

Aim was to regain veterans, but veterans didn't quit playing in 2016 or 2017, they quit in 2014, because they finished the game, done every single thing that is doable, no more action for those people.

Says who? What veterans were the ones that quit enmasse in 2014? Most people I know and talk to have played for 5+ years and are still enjoying the game.

[Ikarus]

chamber of tears is thriving I see

But we already have a partial wipe in effect, and it reset years of progress for some people.

How did the change to the old system reset years of progress when no xp was lost? What exactly was wiped with the last patch? 
EDIT: Ah I guess Nightingale's post explains this issue, link below

I remember 2015 being the year where most of the playerbase left while 2016-2017 were pretty much dead years until last month. Now you can occasionally play dtv with a bunch of people and maybeee that strat reset and the temporary wipe will help out with that. But as Prof keeps saying, this temporary wipe is still under discussion and not decided at all. So constructive ideas and discussions would be really appreciated

f.e. Nightingale has made an interesting point about xp distribution and levels
http://forum.melee.org/the-chamber-of-tears/can-we-get-a-real-leveling-system-revert-please-and-thank-you/15/

[Oberyn]

I was already preaching wipe years ago as a natural part of the cRPG cycle and avoiding it as one of the reasons the mod stagnated under the inflationnary weight of millions of gold and hundreds of MW looms circulating in the "economy", not to mention the lvl 35+ 20th gen chars.

Even before the new triumvirate of cRPG gods was given control over the database James was always unsympathetic to that view and a regressive "muh looms and levels" my old friend. A decadent, opulent deity reclining on his throne made of MW looms, cringing at the thought of giving up his "work" over the years. Basically James is like an old, decaying evil aristocrat in a powdered wig and a frilly golden shirt afraid he's going to have to give up his disgusting orgies of blatant excess and go back to working the fields like a peasant.

You can fix and polish as many cRPG and Strat features as you like, but the biggest barrier to attract and retain new players is the gigantic gulf between newcomers and oldtimers in terms of material "wealth". Fighting against shiny high level knights as a peasant IS one of the fun parts of cRPG and one of the things that makes you want to stick around to become one of those shiny knights eventually, but you need a critical mass of other players that are also in the same situation. If it's just you as a dumb fucking peasant vs the rest of the server as overpowered loom covered death machines it's entirely discouraging and not fun at all. Giving away MW looms to nabs or lending them from clan armouries that are full to bursting completely misses the point. Why even play at all in that case?

[njames89]

Personally I have to advocate against changes that would make me not play the game. I understand your guys motivation but I don't really understand where you think this mass of players is going to come from.

If the community voted in majority for a wipe then I would respect that and Dupre has said that it is something we could test with the ability to revert. So I am open to that idea though I still think the idea of a partial wipe that has the same effect of people having no characters and no looms for months with the ability to unlock some of their old looms eventually is a better idea.

[zottlmarsch]

Looms, gold and xp aside for a minute, speaking purely from a database sense the numbers are in dire need of a purge. Why are we keeping all this useless old data, characters and clans from a bygone age (5-6 years ago)?

Lets look at some figures (These aren't official, just what i've tried to work out from the crpg site so pretty accurate?)

700,000 characters - That's a crazy amount, how many of these are currently active? 50? So whats the point of 699,950 characters just rotting and clogging up the database??? Just imagine, I’m a new player, I want to call myself something original like Jon_Snow, but I can’t because that name is taken by some random nerd who installed crpg for one week 7 years ago! Sigh. It’s like Fifa18 using the old DB from Fifa10 with all the old teams and players and just adding some new kits.

8300 clans – Now how many of these are active? Imagine, I’m a new player I’m scrolling through a damn ladder of 8300 clans!!! Applying for all the ones I think look cool. I make like 100 applications, little do I know that all the ones I’m applying for stopped playing in 2011. Ridiculous.

If we do a partial wipe only we are having to keep all this crappy old data, all these players that haven't played since 2010 or 2011. Just so that they could potentially ‘win’ back their looms after some time if they ever played again. Pathetic. Are we also gonna keep clans that were created 5 years ago and left to rot a day later? Not to mention all the extra effort and time it’s gonna take to do this partial wipe and implement this unlock old equipment retirement thingy. Is it really worth it?

[njames89]

As I said character wipe I don't mind at all and after a period of several months no doubt people will have many heirloom items.  As someone that doesn't have much time to play anymore I like the idea of keeping some of my heirlooms as there is no chance I will be able to play enough again to rebuild them.

As for wiping old clan data that definitely makes sense to me and would happen in a partial wipe.

[Oberyn]

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[zottlmarsch]

As I said character wipe I don't mind at all and after a period of several months no doubt people will have many heirloom items.  As someone that doesn't have much time to play anymore I like the idea of keeping some of my heirlooms as there is no chance I will be able to play enough again to rebuild them.

As for wiping old clan data that definitely makes sense to me and would happen in a partial wipe.

But the characters can't be wiped, at least not completely if you need to link the old characters to the new in order to retain looms. Why do old players deserve this added  bonus anyway, isn't that still making it unfair to any new players?