c-RPG Pro-Database Wipe Assembly [No polls, written opinions.]

[the real god emperor]

I personally believe c-RPG needs a database wipe to not lose veterans after a week of playing or so, which is gonna happen if there is no "goal" and "progress" in the game, which c-RPG is ALL about. What kept people rolling was that juicy x5s, now you don't give a shit if you win the round or not, because it simply doesn't matter. That kind of c-RPG will die again after people feed their nostalgic needs, the reason mods like Nord Invasion or Mercenaries is still alive is because of their huge progress pyramids, it always points you to the next goal. I repeated myself like a broken tape for 1-2 months now, no one seemed to listen and I have been given the excuse of the "we did a poll it was 50/50" many times, (which no one will make me believe that most "no" voters were ever going to play the mod anyway) so I decided to gather info in a more manual way, by interviewing people. I collected a dozen of opinions, will continue to do so, and I expect people reading this text to put their opinions down below, pro-wipe or not. Explain your views, not just go "muh looms" or "i dont give a shit xdé" Thanks.

Interviews so far: (note that those people are not handpicked and whoever is online in my Steam)
Butan:

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Rider:

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Arn:

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Overlord:

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Pandemona:

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RIP(Banned but w/e):

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Uther Pendragon:

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Cassi:

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Drappi:

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Dodosa:

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Granny:

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Pogosan:

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Ikarus:

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oguz:

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Me: Oguz you want wipe or not?
oguz: yes ofc
Me: kthxbai
oguz: bai
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Casimir:

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[Asheram]

Yeah because we all know everyone wants to "grind" all the same stuff over again /cough.

[Úlfur]

If you wipe everything, nobody will come back. Loads of people can't be arsed to grind again.

[Oberyn]

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I have recently come back to proselytize my cRPG end times prophecy, on the forum and discord.

cRPG MUST be wiped. chadz and cmp promising to never wipe cRPG again locked it into this eternally stagnant, swampy, slowly putrying mess. cRPG's natural cycle is to be wiped every now and again, another turn of the cycle is long due by now. Went looking for some of the stuff from the last wipe, here are some of my quotes from fucking 2012, I still believe they are accurate today. Many others believed the same thing.

You can have as many gay little internal polls as you want, they are badly biased by the simple fact that the only people still on the forums and discord are either people still playing or forum whores who stick around to "play" the forums. And even then almost half were pro-wipe! Imagine all the players who played cRPG at some point and don't anymore, or who don't read the forums anymore, or who never fucking did in the first place. PEASANT WARS NOW! The cRPG fields must be periodically watered with the blood of the high leveled and the fragments of looms! Only through this sacrifice will life bloom anew! DOOM!

There was never a legion of players waiting for cRPG to be wiped, yet somehow every subsequent wipe had a vast influx of new and older players returning. Word of mouth is enough. Peasant Wars and the opportunity to start at the ground floor with everyone else is enough. Oh ye of little faith.

True, the ashes still smoulder, but it could be so much more. Like your namesake, the mod could be reborn from it's ashes, for a last glorious, bright moment before Bannerlord, instead of going to a decaying, ignomious death. Spin to win indeed. Let the wheel turn on this final spoke, and the fields of cRPG shall yet again be full of retarded 2h spinning like ballerinas.

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In Eternity where there is no time, nothing can grow, nothing can become, nothing changes. So Death created time to grow the things that it would kill. And you are reborn...but into the same life that you've always been born into. I have seen the ending of thousands of lives, man. Young, old, each one so sure of their realness. So sure that their sensory experience constituted a unique individual, with purpose, meaning. So certain that they more than a biological puppet. Truth wills out, and everybody see's once the Stranger cuts them all down.

These still bodies so certain that they were more than the sum of their urges. All the useless spinning. Tired minds, collisions, sighs and ignorance. You know what I see? They welcomed it. Right there in the last instant. It's an unmistakable release. See cause they were afraid and now they saw for the very first time how easy it was to just...let go. They saw, in that last nano-second, they saw what they were. You, yourself, this whole big drama, it was never anything but a jerry rig of presumption and dumb will, and you can just let go. Time to notice you didn't have to hold on so tight. To realize that in all your life, all your love all your hate all your memory all your pain, it was all the same thing, IT WAS ALL THE SAME THING. It was all the same dream, a dream that you had inside a locked room. A dream about being... a person.

[Kadeth]

Loads of people can't be arsed to grind again.

Loads of people can't be arsed grinding to get on the same level as all the currently active players. It's important to recognise that many people don't play this mod because they feel like they'll have to put in hundreds of hours to be able to compete with the regulars, even if that's not really the case.

What have we got to lose with a wipe? Your big gay armoury with 100 looms?? suck it up my old friendot, give everyone an even playing field for the first time since december 2010

And if a wipe really does nothing to revive the mod, keep a backup of the database pre-wipe and revert back to it, then the remaining 8 active players can continue to suck each other's masterworked dongs

Put the mod's health first today. Vote 1 for wipe.

Kadeth submitted a poll to wipe the database

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[Ikarus]

I fucking love it how Arn's name is written in yellow and how he wanted it to be in yellow

[Asheram]

Loads of people can't be arsed grinding to get on the same level as all the currently active players. It's important to recognise that many people don't play this mod because they feel like they'll have to put in hundreds of hours to be able to compete with the regulars, even if that's not really the case.

What have we got to lose with a wipe? Your big gay armoury with 100 looms?? suck it up my old friendot, give everyone an even playing field for the first time since december 2010

And if a wipe really does nothing to revive the mod, keep a backup of the database pre-wipe and revert back to it, then the remaining 8 active players can continue to suck each other's masterworked dongs

Put the mod's health first today. Vote 1 for wipe.

Kadeth submitted a poll to wipe the database

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loads of people cant be arsed to grind period why do you think there are 40-80 that play gk tdm every day and 15-30 people that play native battle server almost everyday. And its not because they dont "know" about crpg. Mention crpg there and you will either be ignored or get crpg sucks comments. You get a few "what is crpg" responses but only a few.

And what happens when those that have more time to play get to that "level" again keep wiping to keep all on same ground?

[Kadeth]

loads of people cant be arsed to grind period why do you think there are 40-80 that play gk tdm every day and 15-30 people that play native battle server almost everyday. And its not because they dont "know" about crpg. Mention crpg there and you will either be ignored or get crpg sucks comments. You get a few "what is crpg" responses but only a few.

There are a number of reasons people might play native over cRPG; native combat is less restrictive with a higher turn rate, less gimped animations (eg 2h stab), a lot more balanced etc. Doesn't change that a wipe would attract some attention, like others have said, everyone wants to be the first to have their favourite shit loomed or to get to a certain level. cRPG is pretty much maxed out at the moment, with everyone having everything they could possibly want and nothing to progress to.

And what happens when those that have more time to play get to that "level" again keep wiping to keep all on same ground?

Then it dies again at some point, probably? There's no long term solution for cRPG considering its age and with Bannerlord around the corner, but IMO a big event like this would attract players from other parts of the Warband community.

[Jarold]

loads of people cant be arsed to grind period why do you think there are 40-80 that play gk tdm every day and 15-30 people that play native battle server almost everyday. And its not because they dont "know" about crpg. Mention crpg there and you will either be ignored or get crpg sucks comments. You get a few "what is crpg" responses but only a few.

And what happens when those that have more time to play get to that "level" again keep wiping to keep all on same ground?

The battle vs TDM argument isn't really valid, people play TDM so they don't have to wait after dying because of the try hards. It may be partially true but its more of a fun ratio to skill level thing.


I think in order for there to be a wipe there has to be a nice reason to grind, besides looms and XP. Anyone have any ideas, maybe loot, maybe craftable items? Should the servers wipe every month or so?

[Asheram]

The battle vs TDM argument isn't really valid, people play TDM so they don't have to wait after dying because of the try hards. It may be partially true but its more of a fun ratio to skill level thing.


I think in order for there to be a wipe there has to be a nice reason to grind, besides looms and XP. Anyone have any ideas, maybe loot, maybe craftable items? Should the servers wipe every month or so?

what battle vs tdm argument? I wasn't vs the two, I was citing current populations on the two na servers, you will get the same response about crpg in na battle as well, actually probably even more critical. I see alot more people I recognize from crpg in  na tdm than na battle.

[Jarold]

what battle vs tdm argument? I wasn't vs the two, I was citing current populations on the two na servers, you will get the same response about crpg in na battle as well, actually probably even more critical. I see alot more people I recognize from crpg in  na tdm than na battle.

My mistake, I misunderstood what you were saying. However, you did give me an interesting thought. What if we took away the XP grind, but kept the RPG aspect. Start everyone off at lvl 30 and they can increase there level up to level 33 or so after significant investment of time. However, the real thing to grind for is just gold, items, and looms. Maybe after grinding 5 million XP you get a loom point instead of levels. Take out retirement completely. Reset servers every month or so.

Everyone still gets to fully customize their character, but you don't grind for levels as much. Just a thought.

[Asheram]

My mistake, I misunderstood what you were saying. However, you did give me an interesting thought. What if we took away the XP grind, but kept the RPG aspect. Start everyone off at lvl 30 and they can increase there level up to level 33 or so after significant investment of time. However, the real thing to grind for is just gold, items, and looms. Maybe after grinding 5 million XP you get a loom point instead of levels. Reset servers every month or so.

Everyone still gets to fully customize their character, but you don't grind for levels as much. Just a thought.

well I mentioned in game when James and others were on and in a previous wipe thread which I forget that maybe looms should be disabled and everyone limited to a skip the fun character, which would still keep the class builds and everyone on an equal footing so to speak and allow you to somewhat change your class on the fly as you can change stf anytime. It wouldnt hurt strategus at the present moment as there is none.

[Úlfur]

Loads of people can't be arsed grinding to get on the same level as all the currently active players. It's important to recognise that many people don't play this mod because they feel like they'll have to put in hundreds of hours to be able to compete with the regulars, even if that's not really the case.

What have we got to lose with a wipe? Your big gay armoury with 100 looms?? suck it up my old friendot, give everyone an even playing field for the first time since december 2010

And if a wipe really does nothing to revive the mod, keep a backup of the database pre-wipe and revert back to it, then the remaining 8 active players can continue to suck each other's masterworked dongs

Put the mod's health first today.

I actually only have 10 looms in total. But I read up on it, looked into it and thought about it and I do agree to some kind of wipe.

Why not something like wiping 60% of everyone's looms (and loomed gear/weapons)? so people will still have a couple of looms back and new players also have a chance.

And indeed keep a backup if it doesn't revive the mod.

Also, don't be so r00d

[Torben]

Yo Im working a full time job and building a company on the side.  about 100h a week.  if I should ever feel the need to hop on a server i would love to just have my beautiful courser and my gay ass lance waiting there for me. 
the only thing that could help me get over that loss and still actually play an hour here and there would be a massive player influx.

ahrg my courser QQ

[njames89]

As someone that has been organizing players to play and has actually brought people online in the past months I definitely oppose the idea of a full wipe. Simply it would make myself and many of the players I play with not want to play again.

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If we fix strategus, couching/dtv bugs, and patch consistently with good items and no bugs and still there are population problems then I would support a partial wipe.