Donkey team no longer developing M:BG / OKAM

[Vibe]

Yeah it's a scam. We had some fun with them on discord a few days ago, they are fully aware that both their webpage and steampage are lies (such as saying that Epic is currently in the game). But right now it would be a "bad marketing decision" (their words) to fix the lies without having the new roadmap and showing what they plan to work on.

Obviously they're not gonna ever say that epic is done, because that would mean suicide.

[Xant]

I don't know why any of you ever thought they'd be able to pull off what they promised. They were promising things that AAA studios wouldn't be able to do, with minimal experience and a tiny team, while being completely beholden to their investors because they have no money of their own.

The feature list read like a four year old's wish list after they just learn of Santa Claus, just pile on everything you can think of.

[Xant]

That's hilarious, saying "it's no secret that..." and then having official information that still promises things. So they're admitting to being scammers.

[Vibe]

I don't know why any of you ever thought they'd be able to pull off what they promised. They were promising things that AAA studios wouldn't be able to do, with minimal experience and a tiny team, while being completely beholden to their investors because they have no money of their own.

The feature list read like a four year old's wish list after they just learn of Santa Claus, just pile on everything you can think of.

Xant is right. Even back then I should've known what they were aiming for (with Epic) was so ridiculously beyond their scope, experience and capabilities. You have much larger and way more funded teams struggling to build such games. Open world sandbox MMOs are no joke. No idea why I didn't think of this back then. Fooled by the videos?

[njames89]

I feel bad for the people who spent over 100$ buying multiple copies for friends/clanmates. I really lobby for taking down the fraudulent descriptions of the game that will never come to pass to ensure that this doesn't happen to more people.

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It happened to me brb killing myself.

[IR_Kuoin]

At least they removed the misleading trailer from their Steam page.

[Xant]

The new devs are at the most going to get OKAM to a somewhat playable game, the bare minimum game that they can call "finished", then forget about it forever. There's so much negativity about it even on their own forums and the Steam reviews are horrible, it'd be insane to try to actually make a decent game out of it. That is, if the devs were even capable of making a decent game. Has GMG or whatever they're called ever made any?

[Xant]

@Ouki I can't say when yet, but I can tell that nothing was abandoned or cancelled and is still very much a desired goal, the only thing we can't do is officially say that it is 100% coming, because there are way too many things that could block it
Jericho, who's a project lead, said so himself

This kind of stuff would be weird to read from modders, but actual commercial developers saying shit like "yeah we would like to do X but we won't say it's coming because we dunno if we can even do it... but hey nothing is abandoned! All these far-fetched features still live in our dreams!"

@Ouki We discuss Epic internally, we love the idea but we need to be realistic about the deliverables in the short and mid term. It is not forgotten, but the shape, name and exact format to which it may take form in the furture will need to be thought about very very carefully. For now we want to concentrate making the best game we can.

Well, that's specific and reassuring. Epic isn't forgotten, but they haven't even discussed it yet, and the final product will have a different name, shape and format. That is, it will be something completely different. But they totally love the idea and it's not abandoned.

[njames89]

There needs to be some kind of governing body for this field. Right now its the wild west of game development and the amount of snakeoil salesmen is ridiculous.

Steam really shouldn't be selling these projects that can't achieve even 30% of their promised features.

[njames89]

Let's make of Queens and Women and use your tic tac toe idea. I feel like being fraudulent today. I'll be your pogo and just continuously tell people not to get their hopes up and that great things are coming soon™

[njames89]

I passed along your rewritten description to the devs minus a couple of the spots because the striked out text doesnt show in discord

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edit: It looks like Pogo is going to heed your advice. He is very appreciative of the help

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[Xant]

So they won't tell the truth because it wouldn't be good "marketing"? Telling flat out lies is ok as long as it brings in the cash is the company policy, apparently.

[Vibe]

So they won't tell the truth because it wouldn't be good "marketing"? Telling flat out lies is ok as long as it brings in the cash is the company policy, apparently.

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apparently scamming is a better solution

[Xant]

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apparently scamming is a better solution

How long does it take a "marketing TEAM" to replace a few paragraphs?

Perhaps they really like the page and the text it has currently, and will not forget about it, but they have to discuss it internally first, and it will return at some point with a new name, format and shape.

[Vibe]

How long does it take a "marketing TEAM" to replace a few paragraphs?

Perhaps they really like the page and the text it has currently, and will not forget about it, but they have to discuss it internally first, and it will return at some point with a new name, format and shape.

It takes no time, it's that they don't have anything to replace it with yet, but just removing the content (the lies, mind you) would be bad for business. Apparently it's much better to fraud customers.