France Priest slaughtered

[Leshma]

We are on the brink of employing flying aircraft carriers, robotic drone motherships if you will, what does Europe have again? Oh yea nothing, maybe a few conscripts who wouldn't bother defending their destitute states.

If it ever comes to that, Merkel goes to Putin begging him to save her ass. He then nukes specific areas alongside San Andreas Fault and North American continent becomes new Atlantis. Of course, every major European coastal town goes underwater as well. Not to mention slow death of humanity because of environmental issues that would arise. But fuck that, freedom matters

[Grytviken]

Nukes.

Nukes wouldn't save the EU, the US could reach Berlin with ICBMS from the continental US, any silo would be destroyed in the initial liberation, there's not many to start with anyways.

[Grytviken]

If it ever comes to that, Merkel goes to Putin begging him to save her ass. He then nukes specific areas alongside San Andreas Fault and North American continent becomes new Atlantis. Of course, every major European coastal town goes underwater as well. Not to mention slow death of humanity because of environmental issues that would arise. But fuck that, freedom matters

Putin would be more likely to help Trump than Merkel, let's be real here, it would be checkmate for the EU. An opportunity to annex half of Europe vs mutual nuclear destruction, I'm sure him and Trump could come to a reasonable agreement.

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[Leshma]

American-Israeli anti-missile system

Works fine against home made Hamas rockets, but there is no anti-missile system that can prevent barrage of intercontinental projectiles equipped with nuclear warheads. Few of them (if not all) will go through and then BOOM! There are great shields, but to penetrate it you just need to use bigger bullet. Thing is, bullets always get bigger than shields. Just like with computer hacking, there is not strong enough defense. Offense will always find a way how to penetrate it.

[Moncho]

'Upon taking office, the prime minister writes four identical letters of last resort, each of which is locked in a safe on board the Vanguard submarines. If contact with the UK is lost, the commanding officer of a submarine has to follow the instructions in the letter if they believe that the United Kingdom has suffered an overwhelming attack. Options include retaliating with nuclear weapons, not retaliating, and putting the submarine under the command of an ally. The exact content of the letters is never disclosed, and they are destroyed without being read upon the election of a new prime minister.

Imagine if for some freakish coincidence the letter said to put the subs under the command of the US. Would the attack make them not an ally any more and thus void? What would they do in that situation?

[Xant]

Nukes wouldnt save anyone, least of all you. If you believe a pre-emptive strike could prevent the US having the shit nuked out of it, how will those ICBMS pre-emptively take care of Trident?

'Upon taking office, the prime minister writes four identical letters of last resort, each of which is locked in a safe on board the Vanguard submarines. If contact with the UK is lost, the commanding officer of a submarine has to follow the instructions in the letter if they believe that the United Kingdom has suffered an overwhelming attack. Options include retaliating with nuclear weapons, not retaliating, and putting the submarine under the command of an ally. The exact content of the letters is never disclosed, and they are destroyed without being read upon the election of a new prime minister.

Under the terms of a missile lease arrangement, the United States does not have any veto on the use of British nuclear weapons, which the UK may launch independently.'

Even if ICBMs take us out, you'd still get a ferocious nuclear retaliation from potentially anywhere at sea. A smug death for our little island. And that's just us, I've never delved too deeply into what treats each EU country has prepared for the aggressor in the event of nuclear annihilation.

>2016
>thinks the US hasnt infiltrated those submarines

[Butan]

>2016
>thinks the US hasnt infiltrated those submarines

I infiltrated your sister yesterday, and it was not a pre-emptive strike but more like a series of strike amirite

[Leshma]

Good grief Butan, we need no replacement for Bittersteel and his kindergarten level jokes

Work on those trolling skills man.

[Butan]

Bittersteel and I are soul mates, we met a few years back, he is a fucking autist but hes cute so I taugh him how to make jokes and be cool guy.

[Xant]

Options would depend on the circumstances so I'd be surprised and amused if that was an instruction in the event of a nuclear strike from the US.

But then again, with the unlikelihood of the PM surviving a nuclear strike, who would ever actually know if the commanding officer was following his orders or making his own decision?

That depends on the extent of infiltration you're talking about. I would be willing to believe that a member of crew aboard one of the subs at any given time may be US. But does the entire crew of one of those subs know exactly where their sub is (or any of the other subs) at any one time? I wouldn't believe so.

Since the location of these subs at any given time is probably one of the most important national secrets, operations could run with a relatively small number of people knowing locations etc, and MI5 doesn't appear to be the worst organisation in the world. I would take a gamble on the US not being able to locate or sabotage all subs at short notice.

Either someone at a very high level would need to be a US infiltrator, or you'd need people on each sub with a means to communicate with them whilst submerged without arousing suspicion in order to prevent a retaliatory strike. Otherwise if instructions were given in advance then the US would have the issue of trying to keep their pending strike top secret (also in 2016).

Location? No no no no... you don't understand..... they've planted bombs....... that they can explode at will.....

[Leshma]

Either you accept conspiracy theory that 9/11 was inside job or you stop saying how USA is great at spying others. If they were those attacks would never happen. Highly doubt any foreign military can infiltrate any other foreign military to the point where they can neutralize it without using force. That would imply they are extremely incompetent and like we've seen during last world war, that is not the case. British secret service are especially good at data collection, analysis and protection.

[Xant]

Location? No no no no... you don't understand..... they've planted bombs....... that they can explode at will.....

Also who here typed like this? I got massively nostalgic while penning this great post.

[Leshma]

Murmi maybe? Or Tovi?

[Xant]

Either you accept conspiracy theory that 9/11 was inside job or you stop saying how USA is great at spying others. If they were those attacks would never happen. Highly doubt any foreign military can infiltrate any other foreign military to the point where they can neutralize it without using force. That would imply they are extremely incompetent and like we've seen during last world war, that is not the case. British secret service are especially good at data collection, analysis and protection.

Because intelligence situations can't change in 15 years you fucking gerbil mormon? Especially after the greatest intelligence disaster in the country? Especially after US has provably focused so much money and attention on their intelligence services that they've become absolutely gigantic and practically their own shadow governments?

TRY AGAIN, BITCH BUTT

[Falka]

it's still hugely enjoyable.

Really? There's a limit of how many times I can read the same book, even if that's the best book in the world. And this shit here is hardly any good.