Germany Train Attack

[Angantyr]

Vigilantism is rare in well-ordered societies, people expect the proper institutions to take care of such things and will vote accordingly.

As for the political debate climate it is not so here in Denmark, immigration problems are discussed very openly and every major political party is looking to tighten immigration and asylum laws. The nationalist Danish People's Party is currently one of the most influential parties in the country and has been for years.

Even our traditional workers' party, The Social Democrats, seem to understand that mass-immigration and multi-culture is a mistake (at least in regards to African and Islamic culture) and likewise even The Socialist People's Party to the left of them (of course we won't know for sure before they sit in government). Left are only maniacs on the fringes such as The Radical Left and The Alternative who fortunately have little support among the population. On the other hand we have brand new parties to the right of the Danish People's Party (considered 'far right' just some years ago), and 13% of the population would vote for a party with an even more stringent immigration policy than what is currently represented in parliament, as shown by a recent survey.

[Tomas_Miles_again]

Maybe I'm late to the party but anyone heard Slavoj Zizek on multiculturalism?

[Oberyn]

If the power and wealth differentials were indeed the most salient issue, there would be the same expression of discontent manifested in extreme violence from every single "disadvantaged" group, regardless of origin, ethnicity, religion, or culture. That is clearly not the case.

[Butan]

If the power and wealth differentials were indeed the most salient issue, there would be the same expression of discontent manifested in extreme violence from every single "disadvantaged" group, regardless of origin, ethnicity, religion, or culture. That is clearly not the case.

The media dictate most of where we should be looking at (good or bad). the immigration the hot topic of our times and should stay that way as long as the migration crisis and the war on terror are up.
On the immigration, some media downplay the issue but it serves the anti-immigration bunch too because it becomes increasingly unreasonable to hide the problems.
Frankly, I was a big proponent of unlimited multiculturalism some years back, because I really though that someone from even the most fucked up culture/religious group in the world, that would be born on our soil, educated and supported in our western societies would become just a normal citizen, but there has been so many cases where it was not the case that I'm now slowly drifting toward "west is the best" and that we should limit our "interactions" with the crazy parts of this world even when its people fleeing wars.
I think the me of 10 years ago would punch the me of today in the face 

[Oberyn]

That's ok, I'm sure the you of today would probably fight back against that idealistic, moronic cuck.

[Leshma]

Maybe I'm late to the party but anyone heard Slavoj Zizek on multiculturalism?

This?

Full of shit. But he's Slovenian and can be excused. Dude is stealing for a living tho.

Christian legacy, Christian love of one's neighbor bwhaha

Wish I could do nothing of use and be rich and well respected. Only in America, I guess.

Good thing about radicalization or barbarism, how he calls it, is that his kind will lose that little significance they have left. Rome was full of well respected philosophers, right until Vandals slit their throats. One could argue that philosophy reaching its zenith is prequel to decline of society. Our western society is in decline and that is blatantly obvious. We can compare with 'barbarians' to disprove it and make us feel better. But we really should take a good look at ourselves and evaluate our recent results and see if there's any progress.

Never forget, we're discussing here to entertain ourselves in our spare time. He is receiving large chunks of paper money to write pretty much same kind of bullshit. But who cares about my opinion, I ain't Slavoj Zizek... if there is one thing America is at fault, is giving credit to nobody's out of sheer desperation to become relevant in areas it wasn't before.

[Asheram]

Was the axe loomed?

[Berserkadin]

Vigilantism is rare in well-ordered societies, people expect the proper institutions to take care of such things and will vote accordingly.

As for the political debate climate it is not so here in Denmark, immigration problems are discussed very openly and every major political party is looking to tighten immigration and asylum laws. The nationalist Danish People's Party is currently one of the most influential parties in the country and has been for years.

Even our traditional workers' party, The Social Democrats, seem to understand that mass-immigration and multi-culture is a mistake (at least in regards to African and Islamic culture) and likewise even The Socialist People's Party to the left of them (of course we won't know for sure before they sit in government). Left are only maniacs on the fringes such as The Radical Left and The Alternative who fortunately have little support among the population. On the other hand we have brand new parties to the right of the Danish People's Party (considered 'far right' just some years ago), and 13% of the population would vote for a party with an even more stringent immigration policy than what is currently represented in parliament, as shown by a recent survey.

Denmark is one of the countries I would gladly move to as a swede, we're neighbours but still total opposites. You're language is fucked tough, don't know if  I could ever learn it.

[Xant]

How effective have truck battering-rams been in killing people inside a club or on a train? Just because 1 person managed to individually kill a whole heap of people and barely used the gun he had to do it, getting most kills from the truck, doesn't mean gun control is meaningless with regards to terrorism. Even with all the health and safety controls in the world an idiot could still find a way to kill himself with a toothpick, that doesn't mean health and safety and control on certain harmful products is meaningless.

Rudimentary logic 1:
- Axeman let lose in an enclosed space on German train. Large number wounded. No deaths.
- Gunman let lose in enclosed space in Florida club. Many deaths.

Rudimentary logic 2:
- Same 17 yr old Afghani attacks same people on the same train. He has a gun. Still no deaths?
- Same self-hating homosexual muslim attacks same people in same club in Florida. He only has an axe. Same number of deaths?

None of that is changed because trucks also kill people in an open crowded setting. But I guess that would take some degree of logical thinking and awareness, unsurprising that you took the bait and unsurprising that you claim 'one attack with an axe doesn't prove shit' whilst claiming that one attack with a truck proves everything. Now that's a retarded post.

Wow, you're fucking retarded.

[Paul]

A:Nerfing ranged makes no sense because that guy could just go cav which is overpowered anyway.

B:But at least on siege or cramped maps...

A:You're retarded.

[Leshma]

You were by far the worst balancer, until someone replaced you.

[Oberyn]

Same self-hating homosexual muslim attacks same people in same club in Florida.

Wow people still parroting this blatant lie. It's Heskey though, I shouldn't be surprised, he probably never, ever looked up anything to do with that attack ever again after reading a couple of apologist regressive articles on how the guy was totally not a real muslim and his religion was in no way the motive.

[Xant]

A:Nerfing ranged makes no sense because that guy could just go cav which is overpowered anyway.

B:But at least on siege or cramped maps...

A:You're retarded.

Yes, because terrorists are limited in their avenues of attack, am I right? It all depends on what map is playing on the server. If it's the gay club map, that's where they've got to attack. Moron.

[Paul]

It seems that there are at least two types of attacks lately. Firstly organized ones, done by a group of people. Against these I indeed see no big impact of a gun ban since they will find other methods or ways to circumvent it. I'm afraid there is a lot more to come with exploiting certain bottlenecks(food poisoning whatever). Their weak point might be communication where they can be caught in advance because they are, well, a group that has to organize shit.

The second, much harder to intercept, type seem to be lunatics that radicalize themselves via internet propaganda and finally go ballistic triggered by a personal crisis. While non-radicals might simply jump in front of a train, our mudslime decided to go full Skyrim inside of one. Here I have to agree with Heskey that a gun ban makes a difference. There is usually less planning involved and you grap what you have in reach. If that is a knife or semi-auto only version of an infantry rifle usually has a heavy impact on the death toll here. That keys to a truck trumps all in a certain situation is a different story but you have to have those first too. On average the harder to get a potent weapon, they more difficult it is to do damage.

I forgot the obligatory insult that seems to be state of art lately for whatever reason.
Dropout.

[Xant]

It seems that there are at least two types of attacks lately. Firstly organized ones, done by a group of people. Against these I indeed see no big impact of a gun ban since they will find other methods or ways to circumvent it. I'm afraid there is a lot more to come with exploiting certain bottlenecks(food poisoning whatever). Their weak point might be communication where they can be caught in advance because they are, well, a group that has to organize shit.

The second, much harder to intercept, type seem to be lunatics that radicalize themselves via internet propaganda and finally go ballistic triggered by a personal crisis. While non-radicals might simply jump in front of a train, our mudslime decided to go full Skyrim inside of one. Here I have to agree with Heskey that a gun ban makes a difference. There is usually less planning involved and you grap what you have in reach. If that is a knife or semi-auto only version of an infantry rifle usually has a heavy impact on the death toll here. That keys to a truck trumps all in a certain situation is a different story but you have to have those first too. On average the harder to get a potent weapon, they more difficult it is to do damage.

I forgot the obligatory insult that seems to be state of art lately for whatever reason.
Dropout.

The truck driver was working alone, and why would you need a group of people to access a vehicle?

The fact that someone decides to go on an ineffectual axe-rampage doesn't mean anything, except that it was someone dumb and probably mentally ill in a different way than most terrorists. You can do a lot of damage with an axe, and if the "boy" wasn't a useless limpwristed waste of space, all the gun ban would have achieved is that normal citizens would have been powerless to stop him.

So far the most successful attacks have NOT been done using guns, but using planes, explosives and cars. So what are you supposed to achieve with the gun ban? Nothing, except make normal people have defenseless and force them to rely on the state, which is nothing but security theater because the police does not protect, it counts the points afterwards and acts as a deterrent. Both of which are useless against terrorists. Meanwhile the terrorists will A) acquire illegal weapons and/or B) move to more lethal options, like a truck. If anything, the tunnel vision that people have about guns has affected terrorists as well, which is why this truck attack has the potential to be very bad news once they realize they can cause MORE damage with something other than firearms, all the while having 0% chance of being caught before they act.