Turkey coup d'etat

[Leshma]

All that hatred just because your uncle won't rent you the place for free... and you call yourself campaigner against nepotism ccc

[Rhekimos]

Why would they go after him without guns and no intention to bring him down? Seems stupid and points further to it being staged.

Impossible to say at this point. Perhaps they were initially ordered to force him to land, not kill him. And maybe then lost radio contact, like Thomek suggested.
It's unlikely that the coup faction planned to use the F-16s to shoot him down from the start and they tried to take him on the ground earlier in Marmaris.
Everything about the coup points it to being extremely rushed, and even getting two F-16s flying without live weapons would make the coup look like it has much more chance of success. And they showed the jets around a lot, flying low here and there.

This of course doesn't prove that Erdogan or his party had nothing to do with it. He was reported to call it a "gift from Allah", despite the deaths.

[Bittersteel]

Is there any skirmish/encounter they won?

[Xant]

Impossible to say at this point. Perhaps they were initially ordered to force him to land, not kill him. And maybe then lost radio contact, like Thomek suggested.
It's unlikely that the coup faction planned to use the F-16s to shoot him down from the start and they tried to take him on the ground earlier in Marmaris.
Everything about the coup points it to being extremely rushed, and even getting two F-16s flying without live weapons would make the coup look like it has much more chance of success. And they showed the jets around a lot, flying low here and there.

This of course doesn't prove that Erdogan or his party had nothing to do with it. He was reported to call it a "gift from Allah", despite the deaths.

There's no way people who can send F-16s at Erdogan's plane didn't know that he had 2 F-16s himself escorting him. So it makes even less sense, why would they send only two against two? If they didn't intend to shoot him, and didn't take down the escorts, then it was literally pointless from the get-go.

[LordBerenger]

So the purge continues.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-attempt-president-erdogan-istanbul-deputy-mayor-shot-shooting-latest-news-a7142811.html

This is seriously starting to look like the rise of Hi.tler. Although this time Naz.ism is replaced by islamic fanaticism.

[Leshma]

Nope, it's more like Milosevic. Came to power touting ancient myth of the Great country, killed his predecessor and mentor shortly after, many rigged elections, bunch of dead muslims in mass graves. Weak dictator shit only capable of isolating his country, turning it into shithole.

Our boy Adolf, he was something else. If not for crazy Slavs filling lines for machine gunners to run of ammo, he would be tearing UK apart before 1942 and USA would feel what it looks like to be participant of World War once in their lifetime. Bet he would conquer NA in less than 90 days, seizing all the weapons and ammo from "militia". Would definitely make them great again.

[Rhekimos]

Is there any skirmish/encounter they won?

They disarmed a number of police, attacked a special forces HQ with a helicopter, took control of state TV and had their declaration read but had to leave since they didn't have the force to hold it.
It's not a long list anyhow.

There's no way people who can send F-16s at Erdogan's plane didn't know that he had 2 F-16s himself escorting him. So it makes even less sense, why would they send only two against two? If they didn't intend to shoot him, and didn't take down the escorts, then it was literally pointless from the get-go.

If they had ten to send, it would have been over quickly. And like I said earlier, the two escorts could not shield Erdogan's plane from a strike once they were in close proximity. The passenger plane would have been toast at that point, no matter the number. And good info is the first thing that goes in a chaotic situation like this. It's a coup, who do you trust?

Also, great details about everything in the airspace during the coup:
https://theaviationist.com/2016/07/18/exclusive-all-the-details-about-the-aerial-battle-over-turkey-during-the-military-coup/

[Kirman]

Tardogan's latest speech was same again with an extra. He's scratching ''Gezi Park'' again.

[Sir_Hans]

I haven't read through all 22 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been posted already...


But I for one and curious as to what will come from the big wikileaks dump of turkish documents announced today.

https://www.rt.com/news/351995-wikileaks-attack-turkey-documents/


It's just too hard for me to form a theory or opinion on these matters since everything I have received has been sifted through media filters. Still, I find it pretty interesting as far as world news goes.

[Kirman]

I haven't read through all 22 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been posted already...


But I for one and curious as to what will come from the big wikileaks dump of turkish documents announced today.

https://www.rt.com/news/351995-wikileaks-attack-turkey-documents/


It's just too hard for me to form a theory or opinion on these matters since everything I have received has been sifted through media filters. Still, I find it pretty interesting as far as world news goes.

Well if they shut down internet, facebook, twitter in Turkey after the release, you know it's important.

[Butan]

My bet is that the documents will show they had no hands in the coup but its going to point fingers at everything else.

[Rhekimos]

Erdogan targets more than 50,000 in purge after failed Turkish coup.
Death penalty coming back, which would pour cement on top of Turkey's almost buried EU bid.
Erdogan insists U.S.-based cleric Gülen behind coup. "We will dig them up by their roots," Prime Minister Binali Yildirim told parliament.
Western allies reiterate need for democracy and rule of law.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-idUSKCN0ZX07S

[Paul]

So what would happen if Erdogan falls victim to an unfortunate accident? Is there a definite powerful successor or would the AKP collapse under an internal power struggle? Asking for a friend(it's better to be careful here in Germany).

[Rhekimos]

The purge of those deemed less than loyal to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan widened on Tuesday to include teachers, university deans and the media.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36842073

So what would happen if Erdogan falls victim to an unfortunate accident? Is there a definite powerful successor or would the AKP collapse under an internal power struggle? Asking for a friend(it's better to be careful here in Germany).

The Prime Minister would be the obvious choice. In such a circumstance, AKP would most likely rally even behind a weak leader. I was already wondering whether he was a sycophant yes-man or a sycophant yes-man with some ambition during the coup. Long term, anything might happen, but he'd have a good claim to be carrying on the will of the newly martyred Erdogan in regards to the nation, satisfying many of the Islamists as well. It's good to be the Sultan after all.

The speaker of the parliament would nominally hold presidential power in the case of an unfortunate accident:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_Parliament_of_Turkey

[Torben]

turkish acedemics are forbidden to leave the country and those abroad are to come back asap.