Turkey coup d'etat

[Bittersteel]

Links not working for me. Would be interesting to see, might prove for certain it wasn't false flag.

[Leshma]

I hope you guys don't have to go through civil war, but this doesn't bode well. Remember, don't throw away life for stupid ideas.

[Kirman]

I hope you guys don't have to go through civil war, but this doesn't bode well. Remember, don't throw away life for stupid ideas.

In case of civil war i'm not gonna join either groupes. I mean the ones who defend the coup or the ones who defend democracy with ''allah akbar'' and death penalty or leftists. But if i will be threatened i have no choice to fight back to be honest. Cause i can't quit this shithole at least 2-3 years.

[Grytviken]

here is some rare footages

soldiers attacking the hotel in which erdogan was spending his holiday. clashing with his heavily armed guards.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c37_1468852702

soldiers taking over the trt building. (main tv channel of state) they later declared the coup and martial law from there.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ef_1468795146

helicopter attacking the Turkish intelligence headquarters

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=048_1468848084

It just looks too amateur to be a real military coup. Presidential bodyguards usually consist of a large entourage of the best trained ppl out there with enough firepower to put down a small army by themselves. 

They all seem to have the same story too, they were called and responded to the coup then got shot at.

[Lt_Anders]

Food for thought:

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
 
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
 
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

Really? A True coup, with Jets on his tail(even radar locked the plane a few times) and they don't fire? What kind of coup has the enemy in their sites and chooses not to pull the trigger....

[Daunt_Flockula]

Food for thought:

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
 
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
 
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

Really? A True coup, with Jets on his tail(even radar locked the plane a few times) and they don't fire? What kind of coup has the enemy in their sites and chooses not to pull the trigger....

Let me debunk your seemingly good argument like many average Turks are doing nowadays: Why were heavy tanks sealing the bridge, if this wasn't a real coup. Hurr durr!

[Angantyr]

Putting him on trial would give the cause more legitimacy than outright killing him. He isn't exactly a pariah in the international community.

[Daunt_Flockula]

Putting him on trial would give the cause more legitimacy than outright killing him. He isn't exactly a pariah in the international community.

True, but they were obviously failing and I don't see why they wouldn't take their desperate chances.

[Butan]

"They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him", isnt the answer just right there?

[Bittersteel]

So? You shoot them down

[Rhekimos]

The two F-16s didn't want to shoot or didn't have live weapons.

The protection from a fighter escort is based on them breaking off and engaging the opponent far away from the soft target. They can't stop a bullet or a missile mid-flight.

If the will and ability had been there, Erdogan would not be alive.

[Beauchamp]

i did read some articles about turkey and from those what i can say is: there probably was a real danger that if coup succeeded the country would probably turn into a civil war, because:

- nobody really supported the coup (only people in the streets were erdogan's, all other groups stayed away or were against it)
- erdogan has a wide support among the people (no coup can deal with the situation, that the country is totally split)

do you think its true? i know turkish army is another deal that syria, lybia etc., but still...

[Bittersteel]

The two F-16s didn't want to shoot or didn't have live weapons.

The protection from a fighter escort is based on them breaking off and engaging the opponent far away from the soft target. They can't stop a bullet or a missile mid-flight.

If the will and ability had been there, Erdogan would not be alive.

Why would they go after him without guns and no intention to bring him down? Seems stupid and points further to it being staged.

[Leshma]

In case of civil war i'm not gonna join either groupes. I mean the ones who defend the coup or the ones who defend democracy with ''allah akbar'' and death penalty or leftists. But if i will be threatened i have no choice to fight back to be honest. Cause i can't quit this shithole at least 2-3 years.

Two years ago or so when Ukraine "crisis" (some people like to call civil war like that) was in full swing, there were some pretty heated discussions going on. East vs West, Russophiles vs Banderists (so called European branch). Quite few people from Ukraine, one of them Serr. Was discussing with people, but obviously leaning towards western, united Ukraine in EU. Also annoyed by traitors from the east, but keeping his head cool (unlike some).

Today he is creating a video game while living in European city. Horrible options in life are behind him. Wish everyone involved in similar situation who plays this horrible game can have same outcome. You may be retarded, but you are not bad bunch of people. Definitely deserve better things than civil war retardation

[Thomek]

Well he is living in the most horrible European city though.. 

But yeah, those F16s, they probably asked for confirmation or something. Rules of engagement you know. Perhaps they didn't get an answer, or simply got cold feet. It's very strange anyhow.