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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #285 on: July 18, 2016, 01:32:44 pm »
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #286 on: July 18, 2016, 02:17:01 pm »
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If Erdogan does not claim to be the protector of Islamic values do you think ISIS or another radical group will claim this position? I agree with everything you said here but I think Erdogan is smarter than he appears to be. He also threatens to ban facebook and twitter on a regular basis yet he used these social media platforms to stop the coup, unless of course the whole thing was an inside job. If only 40% of Turks are secular, probably less I don't know, someone has to keep the rest of the 60% Islamist whackos in line or the nation will cease to function. Do you think having to deal with the political threat of Islam shapes who Gollum truly is? Could any leader rule Turkey without turning into a monster in some form or another? Maybe there's an ounce of comfort knowing that Smeagel has no choice but to keep Islam out of the hands of others who would make the situation far worse... idk

Everybody claims to be a protector of Islamic values. Regardless, the madness has little to do with religion. People are sick with wet dreams about an Ottoman-like domination. Coupled with it comes the Middle Eastern disease of worshipping a ruling figure. I believe it is a reflection of dismissal of responsibility. One person to rule, one person to deal with any kind of trouble. The Gulen-Tard war was partly about this anyway. Both were being patted as moderate Islamist puppets, each with their own agenda. One wished to actually maintain the desired moderate Islamist profile. The other one had been planning to break free at some point as a towering figure and wreak havoc all along. This is again another Middle Eastern disease afflicting dictators. They think it is actually possible to be chained to a greater international agenda as well as to break it without consequences.

There are lots of alternatives in Turkey who are capable of not turning into a monster. There always were. The deep state can't tolerate those who aren't power hungry though. That's what coups are for. And when it comes to toppling an actually good leader, it is never a halfassed theatrical performance like this one. Additionally, remember that it mostly never comes to that. A little bit of pressure and implied threats are usually enough. For instance, that was what happened in late 2002 and triggered the beginning of the travesty we have been putting up with so far. Also now that the dictatorial worship has reached its pinnacle, people will always be looking for a loud howling alpha mongrel in the future. Any less will be unacceptable to them.

By the way, someone wrote in one of the previous posts that the Tard's death is our only salvation now. You are unfortunately wrong. He has set in motion a plan for a good old disguised monarchy, where bringing anybody to any position without breaking a sweat is possible. It might sound plain unbelievable or absurd, but unless something is done about it, he will be replaced by his offspring if need be.
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #287 on: July 18, 2016, 02:54:06 pm »
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Sounds unreal, but it's true. After the Tard officially apologized to Putin, they indeed became BFFs.

Would gladly hear what recent diplomatical moves justify this hypothesis. Last I heard Turkey simply made an apologetic message toward Russia about destroying one of their jets, thats like one step out of thousand needed to go from hostile to military secrets sharing status.

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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #288 on: July 18, 2016, 03:30:44 pm »
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Haha, according to the US they would consider giving Gülen to Turkey if Turkey produced some heavy evidence for his involvement in the coup. Turkey's prime minister is "disappointed" that the US would ask for evidence.
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #289 on: July 18, 2016, 04:10:26 pm »
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goverment start to give weapons to civil ppl and they said u will defend our democracy with thoose guns. Civili war is near. u can be sure when thoose isalimic supporter toke that weapons they will start to kill non muslims, Ataturk supporters, opposite party supporters even (tellin that for ur understandin my english is not enough for that) Orthodox islam supporters (think most of turks Catholic).

and no one will defend us because there is non high rank soldiers right now. And thoose guys was only Ataturk supporters in our country sittin at important places.

the islamic turkish republic is near.

check the film Persepolis who explain Iran islamic revolution how start as democracy war and turn to radical islam country. it will be same in turkey for sure.

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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #290 on: July 18, 2016, 05:50:34 pm »
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The coup attempt was most likely a bait for the soldiers and some judges etc. Now they can be replaced really easy and legitly, no one can say a word. They're also changing constitution judges, which means they aim at changing the constitution easier. Which will bring presidency. Which is actually good. Which will bring Erdogan as president. Which is terribad.

Though, Erdogan already rules as a Sultan doing whatever he pleases, Turkey having a two party presidency system like in America, would be healthier than current situation, because when you get the vote paper its like 20 parties competing, around 15 of them are lefties, thats why conservatives always win elections in Turkey. Turkey has two major groups, Conservative Muslim and Kemalist Liberals, why don't we implement this?
The bad part would be Erdogan would go full Putin, with a Medvedev(Binali) in his side, fucking up the country.

I'm not pro-coup but coup doesn't harm democracy here, since we have none at all.
Young "democracy" shouldn't have powerfull president, a powerfull president is the easiest path to dictatorship. The power residing in parlement is much better because you can't get a cult of personnality (which is the main disease in country used to dictatorship), the power is more partitionned so it's more difficult to take it all. In Switzerland the parliement is so powerfull, people usually don't even know who the president is...

The multitude of party is the only healthy part of the turkish democracy. No one should hope for a two party system like in US or France. It looks enough like democracy so you can't change it but it's not democratic enough to give the people a real choice.

Half of the population is happy with the candidate that gets elected while the other half gets totally ignored. But in the half of the population that supports the party in power, only half of the party supports the head of the party. So in the end you get only one quarter of the population represented by the head of state while the rest can go fuck themselves. You get a situation like in France where anything the president does is unpopular because only less than 25% actually supports him and nothing moves.

At least with a parliement, if you want a motion to get through you must get differents party to agree with it so you better make some concession. The change are less radical (which is not always a bad thing if the governement is mostly islamic for exemple) and are more supported cause they represent an agreement done by a wider part of the country.
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #291 on: July 18, 2016, 06:29:35 pm »
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goverment start to give weapons to civil ppl and they said u will defend our democracy with thoose guns. Civili war is near. u can be sure when thoose isalimic supporter toke that weapons they will start to kill non muslims, Ataturk supporters, opposite party supporters even (tellin that for ur understandin my english is not enough for that) Orthodox islam supporters (think most of turks Catholic).

its happening

Deputy mayor in Istanbul shot in head, in critical state - Turkish broadcaster NTV
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #292 on: July 18, 2016, 06:47:41 pm »
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goverment start to give weapons to civil ppl and they said u will defend our democracy with thoose guns.

Sources?

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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #293 on: July 18, 2016, 06:50:14 pm »
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Sources?

Some idiot from the government said "We should make it easier for the citizens to get armed, so that they have a means of defense in such situations". This is probably what he means.

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Deputy mayor in Istanbul shot in head, in critical state - Turkish broadcaster NTV

That is more than possibly linked to an ongoing dispute between the former mayor of that district and the current one. They had been exchanging threats for a while. Bad timing.

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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #294 on: July 18, 2016, 06:57:17 pm »
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Sources?
as flockula said some ppl from the govermment said that and i saw ppl with guns in my city

alos I swear they are not look like turks they look like arabs

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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #295 on: July 18, 2016, 07:05:53 pm »
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #296 on: July 18, 2016, 07:10:26 pm »
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #297 on: July 18, 2016, 07:14:36 pm »
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I swear they are not look like turks they look like arabs
  lie they look so similar  :P
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #298 on: July 18, 2016, 08:39:48 pm »
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Haha, according to the US they would consider giving Gülen to Turkey if Turkey produced some heavy evidence for his involvement in the coup. Turkey's prime minister is "disappointed" that the US would ask for evidence.

I'm actually suspicious that this is a Gulen's coup attempt cause right after the attempt they started to arrest people who might have relation with Gulen's organisation. Suprisingly 7,899 police officers suspended. So if Gulen really wanted a coup hell he would success easily by adding police on coup team.
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Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« Reply #299 on: July 18, 2016, 08:44:08 pm »
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here is some rare footages

soldiers attacking the hotel in which erdogan was spending his holiday. clashing with his heavily armed guards.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c37_1468852702

soldiers taking over the trt building. (main tv channel of state) they later declared the coup and martial law from there.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ef_1468795146

helicopter attacking the Turkish intelligence headquarters

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=048_1468848084
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