The Official Hate The Muslim Thread (Orlando Gone Gay Edition!)

[Knute]

Oh man what a thread. I really missed the wacko boat.

The cause of this act of terror was not the availability of firearms, it was dangerous ideology that we need to fight aggressively at home and abroad. It compounds on the tragedy of this event that people are focusing on scoring points for their political leaning rather than pursuing containment of that ideology which will continue to threaten us.

Even if you think "gun cuntroll" (whatever that means) is a good idea, it isn't legally feasible. You may think it's funny when rednecks and the like yell SECOND AMENDMENT and consider that an argument, but it really is. The Constitution is the highest law in America, all other laws are subject to it. Should a legal challenge be made, it would not survive Constitutional scrutiny ("shall not be infringed" and all that), if the Supreme Court is doing what it is supposed to do (which is not a given, I will admit).

That means that you would need to further amend the Constitution to negate the Second Amendment (which would be circumcising the Bill of Rights and basically amount to a betrayal of American founding values and probably the beginning of some sort of thousand year darkness). To do this you need a supermajority in both chambers of Congress (not happening), and then ratification by three-fourths of State legislatures (even more not happening).

Not at all surprising that a fascist piece of shit would be feeling the Bern.

Thank God that America is not a democracy (a classic Greek idea, like molesting little boys), it's a Constitutional Republic, and you're just another European Nazi who doesn't know what he's talking about (both in substance and scale - until you have one European government stop comparing your old world backwaters to America, have fun sucking Walloon bureaucrat dick by the way). Government corruption doesn't happen nearly as much as conspiracy theorists like you think. I find it pretty laughable that Sanders' only chance resides in the super delegates that he and his followers repeatedly blame for his loss to "the system" (how many more votes has Hillary won now? Three million? lmao). Right now the super delegates are doing their jobs, not that they need to. If the GOP had had them too we'd be much better off.

Shoutout to the other guy that voted for Baseball.

So do you think US citizens who are on terrorism watch lists should be allowed to buy assault weapons and high capacity magazines? Because this guy claimed to be affiliated with Al Queda and Hezbollah a few years ago and was still able to walk into a gun store and buy the same gun that other people have used to commit mass murder in the US, both terrorism related and other:

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There used to be a ban on assault weapons from 1994-2004 but the Republicans let it expire and of course oppose any type of gun regulation. So we're pretty much doomed to more mass shootings with these types of weapons for the foreseable future.
 

[Xant]

So today a white Britain First supporter shot, stabbed and killed a Labour MP up North.

Bet he was secretly Muslim. It has to be so to support some of the crack pots on here.

It's shit like this that makes you apologists look retarded.

Yes, white people commit crimes in white countries. That can't be helped, and it's to be expected. You can't decide to not bring in people of your own nationality to your country. You can't return them to their country of origin.

"Oh no, a Danish person robbed a bank in Denmark! This means it's okay to bring 500,000 immigrants who rape at 20x higher rate than natives and have a relatively high risk of being/becoming radicalized and turning into mass murderers."

"Oh, you have the flu? Well, your body is already sick with no artificial external help, so let me just inject you with AIDS."

[Overdriven]

It's shit like this that makes you apologists look retarded.

Yes, white people commit crimes in white countries. That can't be helped, and it's to be expected. You can't decide to not bring in people of your own nationality to your country. You can't return them to their country of origin.

"Oh no, a Danish person robbed a bank in Denmark! This means it's okay to bring 500,000 immigrants who rape at 20x higher rate than natives and have a relatively high risk of being/becoming radicalized and turning into mass murderers."

"Oh, you have the flu? Well, your body is already sick with no artificial external help, so let me just inject you with AIDS."

Simply pointing out that white terrorism is a thing. There have been plenty of arguments in these threads brushing that under the carpet. Completely ignoring the role of the IRA in the past and other more recent events because it's much easier to say that all terrorists are Muslims.

Throw into the mix that fortunately he didn't have free access to guns and assault weapons in particular so was only able to use an, as reported, old gun that stopped working and had to finish the job with a knife and it's quite fortunate he didn't do more harm to those who were trying to help the woman.

[Butan]

But forcing this thing which says "WEL IF DEY HAD A GUN NINE ELEVUN NEVUR WUD HAV HAPEND1!11!1" is just fucking retarded, not everyone in the world wants to have a gun, and saying this won't change a bloody thing lol.

Not everyone need have guns, not everyone want to have guns, or would have had one in that particular instance... POOPHAMMER was satirical when he said "if everyone had a gun".

I mean it doesn't even need to be fifty guns, just five decently trained people would've been great.

Lke Jarold said it simply means that in instances where terrorists attacks civilians, the situation would be completely different if some of the civilians were armed.
To be able to kill and wound a hundred while being literally alone, the guy needed the people inside the club to be completely unarmed, else he would have been assfucked in minutes 



Though I agree with Yeldur, sometimes even unarmed civilians can save the day. There was numerous times when people intervened and defused a situation that could have caused as much casualties as in Orlando. For example the attempted terrorist attack in 2015 in a train in France, where a gunman was restrained while carrying hundreds of ammunition and an assault rifle; if he had been able to unleash all his firepower without resistance he would have done "as well" as in Orlando...
Still a much safer way to "counter" terrorists is to let willing, trained, law-abiding civilians to carry guns. As simple as.

[Xant]

Simply pointing out that white terrorism is a thing. There have been plenty of arguments in these threads brushing that under the carpet. Completely ignoring the role of the IRA in the past and other more recent events because it's much easier to say that all terrorists are Muslims.

Throw into the mix that fortunately he didn't have free access to guns and assault weapons in particular so was only able to use an, as reported, old gun that stopped working and had to finish the job with a knife and it's quite fortunate he didn't do more harm to those who were trying to help the woman.

That's not white terrorism, that's a murder. What IRA did or didn't do is beside the point, since it's not bombing shit anymore. Radical Islam wouldn't be talked about either if it was a "well, but do you remember back decades ago when..." thing.

Did he even intend to kill anyone but that one particular person? If not, then looks like free access to guns and "assault weapons" wouldn't have mattered.

[Overdriven]

That's not white terrorism, that's a murder. What IRA did or didn't do is beside the point, since it's not bombing shit anymore. Radical Islam wouldn't be talked about either if it was a "well, but do you remember back decades ago when..." thing.

Did he even intend to kill anyone but that one particular person? If not, then looks like free access to guns and "assault weapons" wouldn't have mattered.

By the very definition of terrorism, it is terrorism. It doesn't matter how many he tried to kill. He killed someone with a political aim.

He injured a man who was trying to prevent him carrying out the attack. So yeah it would have mattered.

[Grytviken]

By the very definition of terrorism, it is terrorism. It doesn't matter how many he tried to kill. He killed someone with a political aim.

He injured a man who was trying to prevent him carrying out the attack. So yeah it would have mattered.

Yes and there lies the undeniable problem. Islam happens to be the only religion that seeks political dominance, which is why there are hundreds of thousands of Islamic terrorist attacks internationally for every one "white" domestic terrorist attack in the western world. I can't think of any other religion that governs every aspect of a nation's laws and government and actively politically persecutes citizens based off of religious beliefs except Islam, just look at the Middle-East ( Israel excluded) and the heart of the Islamic world.

[Jarold]

Yes and there lies the undeniable problem. Islam happens to be the only religion that seeks political dominance, which is why there are hundreds of thousands of Islamic terrorist attacks internationally for every one "white" domestic terrorist attack in the western world. I can't think of any other religion that governs every aspect of a nation's laws and government and actively politically persecutes citizens based off of religious beliefs except Islam, just look at the Middle-East ( Israel excluded) and the heart of the Islamic world.

Don't forget about the Asian countries now.

[Butan]

Islam happens to be the only religion that seeks political dominance

Not really, though your point still stands.

[Tibes]

Actually all of them seek political dominance, except the ones whose followers mostly seek unmaterialistic enlightment. Quite many muslims are unadjusted to the fact that their religion and culture is not under full protection of the state or whatever local islamic militia. And that makes some have a violent tantrum.

[Grytviken]

Europeans and many westerners are soft and sympathetic to Islam, according to his definition of terrorism there would be millions of Islamic terrorist attacks over the span of just a few years, that's not a definition I would want to use to defend Islam and compare it to "white" terrorism.

I wouldn't want to adopt or accommodate any aspect of Islam as a standard for Western civilization, it's embarrassing the religion gets this much attention as it is. It's 2016 and western women who are sexually assaulted in Islamic countries have to pay a rape tax before they are deported for breaking Islamic law, Allah only knows what women who actually live in those countries have to put up with . If Sweden adopted this barbaric Islamic custom they would be able to cover the cost of the entire refugee crisis and balance Greece's debt all at the same time.

[Xant]

By the very definition of terrorism, it is terrorism. It doesn't matter how many he tried to kill. He killed someone with a political aim.

That is not the definition of terrorism. That is the definition of an assassination.

[Overdriven]

That is not the definition of terrorism. That is the definition of an assassination.

Nope it's the definition of terrorism.
'the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.'

[Gurgumul]

you don't need a bayonet when you can have a baconet

[darmaster]

That is not the definition of terrorism. That is the definition of an assassination.

it is; in italy we had two types of terrorism, the black one, made by the far right, that culminated with the piazza fontana and bologna massacre, that aimed at the population, and the red one, made by the far left, that would focus more on prominent and targeted politicians (aldo moro on top of all); both of them are consodered terrorism.