Leave or stay in the EU?

[Grytviken]

  Nigel has been bitching for years about the overpaid bureaucrats in the EU overstepping their power, it's pure laziness that they haven't tried to better the EU by sticking to the fundamentals which it was founded upon and made the process more democratic.

Here's our tax money hard at work in the US. These clowns are being paid $150,000 a year but are too lazy to legislate a law that would bring common sense gun control, they refuse to ratify a law that would give due process to people who are on the terrorist watch list, therefore any firearms law they try to create that uses the terrorist watch list as a means of preventing someone from purchasing a gun would be unconstitutional and never pass. Instead of doing their job they decided to sit on the floor like babies and "protest" the evils of gun violence. I wish we had someone like Nigel to humiliate them  :lol: .

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[Xant]

It's the same kind of typical confrontational British Parliament speeches that has been his trademark in the EU for years, people are used to it and the people laughing generally seem to find it entertaining. I do aswell.

From 2010 and 2011:

He's actually a very skilled orator.

[Xant]

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Patri Friedman
June 24 at 11:52am ·
Since the EU is basically the opposite of competitive governance (imposing a large, bureaucratic, non-local-adaptive, non-multiple experiments governance structure on a diverse region), I am delighted about Brexit, and hopeful that it demonstrates a first-world trend towards local autonomy and governance diversity. The answers to difficult questions like immigration, security, and foreign policy should not come from a central organization that imposes a uniform solution on all; they should be both locally adaptive and answered in diverse ways so we can all learn from the multiple parallel experiments.

The diversity we need is of the things that matter: rules, ideas, institutions and culture. There should be a country with Germany's immigration policy; and a country with Hungary's immigration policy. There need to be different interest and exchange rates for Greece and Germany. One size fits none. Glad that democracy can occasionally get something right; and psyched for Scottish (scexit? ukexit?) as well as the continuing failure of the Eurozone/ECB to handle widely varied regional economic situations.

[Leshma]

Chances are that, because of his speech, some butt-hurt people at the top will decide to fully support impending break of United Kingdom. To the point where they'll finance groups who'll work on it. Like they did in other third world countries. Unless USA leaders oppose to that, but think no one digs small fish trying to act tough. EU project is fully backed by USA, from day one.

He openly admitted he wishes for EU to fall apart. Some people see that as a threat and will make sure before EU falls apart troublemakers gets punished and shown to the world as the ultimate losers. Because that is one valid strategy how to prevent break up, to induce fear in minds of rest of European citizens.

[[ptx]]

You can do better than that.

[Angantyr]

He's actually a very skilled orator.

Yes, I think he is one of the better orators in contemporary politics.

As an aside, British Parliament banter in general is very colorful:

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Adam Banks ‏@adambanksdotcom
England team now feel they were misled about consequences of letting goals in, didn't think other team would actually win

[Leshma]

I believe that European leaders see Farage in same light they see Putin. Main argument of Brexiters for keeping free trade while not having any commitments, is that EU will suffer more if trade deal is endangered. German car industry etc... I would like to remind you that Putin was using same rhetoric during Ukraine crisis trying to blackmail EU when they imposed sanctions on Russia. And it was oil trade in question, much bigger industry and more money in play.

Also lol at idiots who believe that UK in two days has secured five, brand new trade agreements with foreign countries...

Farage will never again get near European parliament, that speech was his swan song.

[Osiris]

if what you say is true leshma than the EU are stupider than i thought, Viewing Farage (a man whose party has 1 mp and whose leader isnt even an MP and isnt respected by any serious politicans) in the same way they view Putin top lels

[Thomek]

Leesin, what is frustrating, is not that I think Britain will go to hell. It is an advanced nation with a lot of smart people after all. It will not be a total disaster. Most people will probably feel it a bit, but nothing spectacular. Without any qualifications whatsoever, I guess it will be a 3-5 year setback at the most.

The frustrating thing is that it was so damn unnecessary. Why shoot yourself in the foot? Sure you'll live, but this really, truly was for nothing. If you really wanted to gtfo, it would be much smarter to do so using Brexit as a leverage in negotiations. Now they have zero cards to play, they have to negotiate Brexit from a very weak position, the end result probably being a much worse trade deal, and in the long run bad for UK and bad for Europe as a whole too.

And that matters! Europe as a whole, would only grow stronger in world politics united. It would be good for Britain if Poland does well. On a basic level, this is really about the fact that we are a corner of the world that is civilized enough to cooperate, and have enough in common to cooperate. Otherwise we are subject to US, Chinese and Russian divide and conquer. The immigrants become a minor nuisance on the greater scale of things, and the influx is getting stopped (better late than never) as we speak.

Not the end of the world, but incredibly stupid and sad to see GB go.

[Oberyn]

Chances are that, because of his speech, some butt-hurt people at the top will decide to fully support impending break of United Kingdom. To the point where they'll finance groups who'll work on it. Like they did in other third world countries. Unless USA leaders oppose to that, but think no one digs small fish trying to act tough. EU project is fully backed by USA, from day one.

Of course Leshma, the CIA, Interpol and Mossad infiltration cells have been triggered, and are working on it even as we speak. Or, and I know this is outlandish and crazy, but giving a look at the map of UK with stay/leave votes by area, it really wouldn't take much to cause a 2nd independence referendum by Scotland. So far any negotiations between Scotland and the EU have been rebuffed, so if the EU isn't going for this much, much simpler option for breaking up the UK, I don't think any nefarious secret missions to topple the monarchy and make Scotland rise up in fire and blood are in the works.

[Oberyn]

Also lol at idiots who believe that UK in two days has secured five, brand new trade agreements with foreign countries...

Yes it strains the very edge of credulity to imagine that Ghana, that economic world power, would deign to do business with the lowly, fallen UK.

[Leshma]

Of course Leshma, the CIA, Interpol and Mossad infiltration cells have been triggered, and are working on it even as we speak. Or, and I know this is outlandish and crazy, but giving a look at the map of UK with stay/leave votes by area, it really wouldn't take much to cause a 2nd independence referendum by Scotland. So far any negotiations between Scotland and the EU have been rebuffed, so if the EU isn't going for this much, much simpler option for breaking up the UK, I don't think any nefarious secret missions to topple the monarchy and make Scotland rise up in fire and blood are in the works.

You're denying role of NGO in Arab Spring, fall of Milosevic, fall of Soviet Union, many attempted coups and protests all over the world? Mostly funded by Soros. Man who understands the power of fud strategy, which made him and his partners billions of dollars.

[Osiris]

ye! because the only thing that matters in this world is how our stock market does and if our gdp rises or drops by a couple of % points. totally worth joining a united Europe if it gains us all a couple of quid

[Grytviken]

Boris Johnson had a genius idea to rebuild Stonehenge but this time 3 times bigger to sort out the big national pride/culture deficit that the Tory party has inherited. However, closer scrutiny post-referendum has revealed that Boris does not indeed have any stones.

If Britain is even slightly worse off than before this referendum, then what was the point?

It doesnt need to be apocalyptically bad in order for me to want to know what possible reason the retarded 'leave' party had for making things even slightly worse. Why should i have to bear the shortsightedness and stupidity of other voters? And if people like Lessin dont give a shit that's fine, just throw 10% of your own money in a river somewhere and achieve the same thing but leave everyone else to get on with it.

@Leesin
'What's done is done, dont cry about it'.

Dont count your chips now, we arent out of the EU yet cocksucker

  With that kind of mentality the United States would would still be a colony of Great Britain, look where the US is now and look where the UK was. The North American Free Trade Association doesn't need a parliament and billions of dollars worth of paid politicians to operate, why does the EU, a trade organization need it's own government body to formulate trade agreements? Do politicians make good trade brokers and investors? NAFTA has also resulted in the loss of millions of US jobs in the long run, it only served to prop up Mexico's failing economy, look how well Mexico is doing, they are welfare dependent of the United States.