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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #180 on: April 25, 2016, 07:54:32 am »
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I could count at least two, yourself included.

I was implying that education may have played a positive role in that mans ability to deduce that leaving the EU would be better for Britain's finances.. So instead of taking a wholly negative view toward education/education systems I thought I'd be a little more balanced.

I have to actually spell that out to you?... Of course I had to. Who am I kidding?

Well...yeah, you have to spell it out. That shit makes no sense even if you do. And you are Murmillus after all, you are more braindead than I am.  :lol:

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #181 on: April 25, 2016, 08:17:09 am »
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ugh, ultra-right wing idiots won in Austria first time after 1945, next years are going to be really shitty :?
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #182 on: April 25, 2016, 09:27:27 am »
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Well...yeah, you have to spell it out. That shit makes no sense even if you do. And you are Murmillus after all, you are more braindead than I am.  :lol:

Me braindead? You're like a low functioning autist calling non autists stupid. Your inability to come to simple conclusions with a wealth of information infront of your eyes is evidence of this.

Also, project fear continues. If it's not in the mainstream media, it's in the c-rpg forum. Stooges for the status quo. Economic vampires of Europe. Enablers of TTIP.
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #183 on: April 25, 2016, 09:31:41 am »
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Well...yeah, you have to spell it out. That shit makes no sense even if you do. And you are Murmillus after all, you are more braindead than I am.  :lol:
Nah, Murmi's MO is to agree with everything that fits his narrative while everything else is wrong.
All while he calls us 'indoctinated' sheep :lol:

Educated people agreeing with his terms are actually smart while educated people who are contrary to his 'truth' are st00pid.
Simple really.
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #184 on: April 25, 2016, 09:33:47 am »
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Nah, Murmi's MO is to agree with everything that fits his narrative while everything else is wrong.
All while he calls us 'indoctinated' sheep :lol:

Educated people agreeing with his terms are actually smart while educated people who are contrary to his 'truth' are st00pid.
Simple really.

Well obviously not. As is why I tried to enage in a more balanced approach, of course I had a slightly biased reason to do so, but I still tried. Better than not trying. I've also said positive things about the EU, not wholly negative things, because again I'm trying to be balanced and not completely lop sided. Better than preaching with tunnel vision like you, you indoctrinated ape.

Also, I'm going to post this again because it trumps all the points arguing the contrary unless disproven.


If it's not just about finances, it's about taking control back from smug stooges for the status quo of failure.
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #185 on: April 25, 2016, 09:47:45 am »
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Schools indoctrinate pupils.
Universities indoctrinate students.
Government indoctrinates people.

Oh, and look, there is one single random guy in TV who sounds smart but I know nothing about his actual background, yet I agree with him, so he has to be gud.


This is your 'balanced approach'? :lol:

And yes, status quo of failure. Poor UK always suffered from being part of the EU since ever really. Never had any benefits being in it... QQ
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #186 on: April 25, 2016, 11:54:21 am »
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ugh, ultra-right wing idiots won in Austria first time after 1945, next years are going to be really shitty :?

Better come to France, we don't have extreme right in power. yet

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #187 on: April 25, 2016, 03:39:04 pm »
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Schools indoctrinate pupils.
Universities indoctrinate students.
Government indoctrinates people.

Oh, and look, there is one single random guy in TV who sounds smart but I know nothing about his actual background, yet I agree with him, so he has to be gud.


This is your 'balanced approach'? :lol:

And yes, status quo of failure. Poor UK always suffered from being part of the EU since ever really. Never had any benefits being in it... QQ

My balanced approach has acknowledged both some good and bad points to remaining and leaving the EU, as it has with education. That's what trying to be balanced is about, accomodating both points of view, which is a darn sight more than you've apparently been capable of so far.
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #188 on: April 25, 2016, 03:54:48 pm »
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ugh, ultra-right wing idiots won in Austria first time after 1945, next years are going to be really shitty :?

There's no correlation to the rise of populist, far left and far right politics and the failings of decades of centrist government at all, none at all. No, just a bunch of nasty people voting for nasty people for the sake of it.. /Sarcasm.

It seems that when the electorate want a real choice it's the end of the world.

I'm going to quote a facebook post. I'm can't vouch for the varacity of its source but it seems legit.

"I, probably like most of my generation, knew very little about the EU. I had done a Masters degree in the 70s; brought up my family, and by the early 2000s was ready to return to University. I was privileged to return to University to complete a Second Masters Degree; this time in European Policy, European Law and European Economic Analysis. Words cannot describe the horror I felt as I delved into the truth of the EU. Sends shivers down my spine to this day, remembering the horror of the realisation, that we had been hoodwinked into the EU by deceitful, disingenuous, intentionally devious means. The populace of the UK was never intended to find out the truth behind the EU, until they reckoned it was too late. Truth is it almost....almost...almost is too late. We already are, in the UK, all but a federal state in the United States of Europe. You never quite realised that, did you? Why? Because they very deliberately decided not to tell you! They deliberately created a political elite who knew full well that power was being ceded, systematically, Treaty by Treaty, to the EU. But who knew? They did! But were we the UK populace ever informed? Absolutely not! Why? They made mega millions from EU scammery & we the minions were shafted day, daily, monthly, yearly & forever. Where did your pensions go? Where did your schools, your NHS, your housing, your social services go? Well, £55 million per day, every day, every week, every month, every year..... Guess what? That is why UK is bankrupted for generations to come, with a £1.5 trillion pound debt. I wish I could enlighten the populace of the UK to the real truth about the EU. I spent a year studying the EU in depth, visiting both the EU Parliament and EU Commission in Brussels. Every word I heard in lectures, hundreds of hours of lectures, every word I researched for my thesis and every thing I saw in Brussels, lead me to the inescapable conclusion that the EU is an utterly corrupt, profligate, political monstrosity which has destroyed British jobs and bankrupted the UK for generations to come. The EU operates on lobbying, which is the technical term for bribery and corruption. Whatever Cameron says, EU law has supremacy over our UK law unless there is Treaty change. He may say so but the truth is that 27 other countries will never agree, this side of eternity, to change the Treaties.
So …..what is the connection between the EU, the Bilderberg Group and the almost completed TTIP? (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership)
The Bilderberg Group meet in secret each year and they are a group of phenomenally wealthy men and women from the worlds of big business, banking and politics, coming from across Europe and the US.
The TTIP represents an integral component of Bilderberg’s attempt to rescue the unipolar world (New World Order) by creating a “world company,” initially a free trade area, which would connect the United States with Europe. Just as the European Union started as a mere free trade area and was eventually transformed into a political federation which controls upwards of 50 per cent of its member states’ laws and regulations with total contempt for national sovereignty and democracy, TTIP is designed to accomplish the same goal, only on a bigger scale.
The treaty is likely to advantage the corporations of both the US and the EU, while disadvantaging their people. It presents a danger to democracy and public protection throughout the trading area.
The Bilderberg Group are focussing on how to derail a global political awakening that threatens to hinder Bilderberg’s long standing agenda to centralize power into a one world political federation, a goal set to be advanced with the passage of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP),
Bilderberg globalists are aghast and there is panic in the ranks that their planned EU superstate is being eroded as a result of a populist resistance all around Europe, mainly centred around animosity towards uncontrolled immigration policies.
And just who might we expect to find at such a secret gathering? Angela Merkel, Herman Van Rompuy (ex President of EU Council), Jean Claude Juncker, (Present President of the EU Commission), Martin Schultz,( Present President of EU Parliament), David Cameron, George Osbourne, Tony Blair, Ed Balls, Rona Fairhead, (Chair of the BBC Trust), Michael O’Leary of RyanAir, Stuart Rose (ex M & S, and BSE Chairman), Bill Clinton, Barak Obama………..…and many more. What do they all have in common? They are all trying to persuade you to stay in the EU. Why? Because it is in their warped self interest to do so! Is any of this in your interests? Absolutely not! Their modus operandi is that truth becomes lies and lies become truth. Sound familiar?
No possible option available, other than to get Out of EU ASAP. Vote Leave!"
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #189 on: April 25, 2016, 06:55:01 pm »
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Me braindead? You're like a low functioning autist calling non autists stupid. Your inability to come to simple conclusions with a wealth of information infront of your eyes is evidence of this.

Lol. Wealth of evidence and information? Really now?

You can basically staple everything as evidence these days and jump to simple conclusions based on every action, commited by every country, government and person of power. And the informationpile of everybodies simple conclusions from which you will also do simple conclusions of your own is so large that one cant even detect garbage in it anymore. You cant even prevent yourself from spreading garbage, because of that. Thats why you are here. Spreading garbage. Because not you, nor anyone else can see it anymore.

And how does having autism prevent me from being right? I never really understood that. You do know what autism is right?

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #190 on: April 25, 2016, 08:36:34 pm »
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I forgot what this thread is even about  :?

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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #191 on: April 25, 2016, 08:46:13 pm »
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #192 on: April 25, 2016, 10:22:02 pm »
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ugh, ultra-right wing idiots won in Austria first time after 1945, next years are going to be really shitty :?
Good on Austria. Patriotic populism is gaining ground everywhere. Especially after Merkel's hopeless "everyone's welcome" in a Europe with something like a Schengen agreement (which is now basically dissolved) and almost a billion people wanting to emigrate worldwide according to Gallup. Calling them ultra-right wing is stretching it, though, it's classical national conservatism.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/24/austrian-far-right-wins-first-round-presidential-election-norbert-hofer
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #193 on: April 25, 2016, 10:28:43 pm »
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ugh, ultra-right wing idiots won in Austria first time after 1945, next years are going to be really shitty :?

Good on Austria.

Yeah, here in Poland right wing party is ruling already. They're awesome, truly awesome  :|
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Re: Leave or stay in the EU?
« Reply #194 on: April 25, 2016, 10:30:41 pm »
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Falka, try not to confuse Polish right-wingers with what is happening in the west, from what I can see from your country's political scene it's far more benign here, at a completely different stage and not yet taken to hysterical extremes. Please remember that in many of these states that now have a reawakening national identity has been near non-existent. I see it as a balancing act.