Leave or stay in the EU?

[Lt_Anders]

Doubt that will happen anytime soon, because that would be an act of aggression not just against Russia but against China as well and USA can't afford that atm. They never could, otherwise they would seriously arm South Korea decades ago.

Edit: When I think about it, Russia/China being "enemies" aren't the only problem. Japan would protest as well.

The main "reason" that the US has never delt with North Korea is two fold.

First, NK can, even with their shitty, 50+ year old military equipment, level Seoul to the ground before SK/US pushes the line far enough back. There is a pretty interesting study comparing Iraq war in 2002-3 with North Korea.(Published by the US military or DoD I believe). Iraq, being a much better equiped army(relatively) was push aside by a much more modern army, and that NK has such an outdated Military that US planners could expect a complete destruction of large swathes of NK military within months. Problem is, that the NK/SK line is <60 miles from the SK capital, and neither side can afford a fight that would damage Seoul.

The second is that the US/China have strong economic ties. China, though, can't afford a war with the US nearly as well as the US can. China is far to reliant on China, but the US is not nearly as reliant on them. And, if the Chinese try to truly interfere with the US using their "debt" as an excuse, the US can just run out of that very easily, while China will suffer very badly.

[Prpavi]

The main "reason" is that they don't have any oil

is what you mean't

[Falka]

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Thats what all the uneducated bunch of angry people think. The general problem with uneducated people is that they dont know how little they actually know. And that causes them to quite often overestimate their own mental capabilities and underestimate the value of true education. Thats why you generally hear the "education is worthless" claim from people who have none.  The value of education does vary a lot, but it sure as hell isnt worthless. Unless you majored in history in the Soviet Union or North Korea.

That's partially true.

"Thats what all the educated bunch of arrogant people think. The general problem with educated people is that they dont know how little they actually know. And that causes them to quite often overestimate their own mental capabilities and underestimate the value of true intellect. Thats why you generally hear the "education is everything" claim from people who have one.

But that's also partially true. Academic degree doesn't prevent from being... well, not very smart. There's plenty of people with PhD or professorship who act like morons.

[Rhekimos]

But that's also partially true. Academic degree doesn't prevent from being... well, not very smart. There's plenty of people with PhD or professorship who act like morons.

Very true. Some well educated people make the most terrible decisions imaginable. It's hard to do better than joining ISIS.

[Yeldur]

Thats what all the uneducated bunch of angry people think. The general problem with uneducated people is that they dont know how little they actually know. And that causes them to quite often overestimate their own mental capabilities and underestimate the value of true education. Thats why you generally hear the "education is worthless" claim from people who have none.  The value of education does vary a lot, but it sure as hell isnt worthless. Unless you majored in history in the Soviet Union or North Korea.

I'm under the influence that education is an important thing, however, the system of education available to me doesn't work for me.

I guess I'm just the odd one out that gets fucked in the ass by the system then :x

[Grytviken]

Doubt that will happen anytime soon, because that would be an act of aggression not just against Russia but against China as well and USA can't afford that atm. They never could, otherwise they would seriously arm South Korea decades ago.

Edit: When I think about it, Russia/China being "enemies" aren't the only problem. Japan would protest as well.

North Korea has the largest military in the world followed closely by South Korea, but South Korea is way more advanced. If it came down to it I don't think they would need help but they would get it anyways.

[Murmillus_Prime]

I'm under the influence that education is an important thing, however, the system of education available to me doesn't work for me.

I guess I'm just the odd one out that gets fucked in the ass by the system then :x

Most of us are being fucked by the system, some of us just don't know it, and some of us are aiding and abetting those doing the fucking so naturally would want to defend the status quo. Fact is the global economy is crumbling and tensions with Russia and China are increasing. This is a world ran by educated people. So, who has the education system really failed? You? Me? Or the majority?

[Molly]

Of course Molly, no such thing as indoctrination in higher learning. It's all incredibly objective and rational, every last discipline.

You actually wrote the word correctly. +1 for that.

[Tibes]

It's a good thing that I haven't been stating education is worthless because I was starting to get the impression  that you are trying to imply that I am thick. On the flip side however.

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"Thats why you generally hear the "education is everything" claim from people who have one"
You have to justify your student loans somehow, even if it means you end up stacking shelves or taking calls next to mr uneducated.
Also...

"Thats what all the uneducated bunch of angry people think."

Over generalising is generally considered an intellectual weakness.

But with those sillyass edits you just generalized. Big time. Was even kinda cringeworthy.  If you didnt state that education is worthless than what was your point? Because we kinda understood it like that.

And ending up stacking shelves next to mr. Uneducated is practically inevitable for mostly everybody, even if you got a degree. Economy shifts rapidly, some fields go, some fields change, some fields come. Neither you, the state nor the uni can predict it fully.

But that's also partially true. Academic degree doesn't prevent from being... well, not very smart. There's plenty of people with PhD or professorship who act like morons.

Ofcourse it doesnt. A persons worldview can always get in the way of his capability to accept proven facts. Thats just how people are. No degree is ever gonna change that.

[Xant]

is what you mean't

Yes, because they invaded Iraq just so China could get oil.

[Rhekimos]

Most of us are being fucked by the system, some of us just don't know it, and some of us are aiding and abetting those doing the fucking so naturally would want to defend the status quo. Fact is the global economy is crumbling and tensions with Russia and China are increasing. This is a world ran by educated people. So, who has the education system really failed? You? Me? Or the majority?

Would the world in be in a better shape if it was ran by uneducated men though? Put Trump on the reins and everything would really be as great as he claims everything he touches becomes?

China would stop wanting to be a superpower and fall in line? Russia would become a best friend if we only had more uneducated men in charge?

I don't think it's fair to blame education for not having solved all the hard problems of the world already.

[Algarn]

Wow, this thread went full retard. The only thing I said, is that people having a degree aren't necessarily smart, and vice versa. Of course, it's rare that people are dumbasses if they're properly educated/have a degree, but it happens. People, on the other hand, who didn't work or whatever to have a degree, aren't necessarily dumb; they can be lazy, not motivated, procrastinators, etc.. There are plenty of things that don't go accordingly to plans. Plus, realize that a world dominated by people who aren't educated is just going to set us back to middle ages, people with scientific education (and ethics) ARE needed. It is because people are uneducated they are willing to elect populists, create conflicts, start wars, etc., do not forget any of this. Do not believe that the basic ISIS fighter had a proper education, nor the basic Trump voter.

[Xant]

Wow, this thread went full retard. The only thing I said, is that people having a degree aren't necessarily smart, and vice versa. Of course, it's rare that people are dumbasses if they're properly educated/have a degree, but it happens. People, on the other hand, who didn't work or whatever to have a degree, aren't necessarily dumb; they can be lazy, not motivated, procrastinators, etc.. There are plenty of things that don't go accordingly to plans. Plus, realize that a world dominated by people who aren't educated is just going to set us back to middle ages, people with scientific education (and ethics) ARE needed. It is because people are uneducated they are willing to elect populists, create conflicts, start wars, etc., do not forget any of this. Do not believe that the basic ISIS fighter had a proper education, nor the basic Trump voter.

[Molly]

[Falka]

You people are so horny.