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Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« on: April 06, 2016, 06:06:15 pm »
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Is this true? If so, now Europeans can really sit aside and lament over what Europe has been reduced to. The things the forerunner of the EU would do just to please the keeper of refugees... Don't know if I should cry or laugh at this. Crying would be more appropriate though, I guess.

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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2016, 06:16:05 pm »
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You're talking about the poem, I guess.

It's a legal issue, really. You're allowed to make fun of people, covered from several angles by law.
But you're not allowed to simply insult someone. There is a difference.

What Böhmermann did was the latter.
It went down like this:
He said "I gonna show you the limits of what current laws allow as explanation why extra3 with their song did everything right. It will be not allowed by law. It will be removed by the station. It will be removed from the internet as far as the station is concerned. Remember, this is not allowed, it's called "Schmähkritik"."
He then started reading the poem which simply consisted of insults directly aimed at the person Erdogan, not connected to his status, his actions... purely personal insults.
And that is not allowed.
If he faces legal consequences for it, that is fine by me.

There is a fine line between satire and just insults. He crossed it. He might get fined for it.
He is a very smart guy. He knew perfectly well what he was doing.

It's national law. Has nothing to do with Turkey, refugees or anything political. If I post a video saying "Angela Merkel is a fucking b***h!", they'll come after me. If I post a video saying "Max Mustermann, my neighbour, is an asshole.", Max Mustermann can sue me and I will be fined.
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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2016, 06:22:11 pm »
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This retard has been sending tens of people to jail for "insulting him" in Turkey. And 99% of the time, it has been for simply not approving of him.

This though... This is going to be the feather on the pile of shit, because Turkish sheep are going to read it like this: "Our great exalted leader of the world cannot be insulted in Turkey or anywhere around the world. He is so majestic that he can put anyone in his place even outside Turkey."

My fucking god. We are never getting rid of him. Everything rows his boat. Every single thing...

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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2016, 06:23:28 pm »
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It's national law. Has nothing to do with Turkey, refugees or anything political. If I post a video saying "Angela Merkel is a fucking b***h!", they'll come after me. If I post a video saying "Max Mustermann, my neighbour, is an asshole.", Max Mustermann can sue me and I will be fined.

Who'll come after you? About your dearest neighbour Max, you are correct. He can sue you. But you won't be fined until court says you are guilty.

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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2016, 06:30:19 pm »
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There is a fine line between satire and just insults. He crossed it. He might get fined for it.
He is a very smart guy. He knew perfectly well what he was doing.

It's national law. Has nothing to do with Turkey, refugees or anything political. If I post a video saying "Angela Merkel is a fucking b***h!", they'll come after me. If I post a video saying "Max Mustermann, my neighbour, is an asshole.", Max Mustermann can sue me and I will be fined.

Oh really? Jesus christ, that sounds horrible.
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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2016, 06:31:48 pm »
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Also, who would have given a fuck about insulting a mad man before? Nobody would move an inch if it weren't for Tardogan's critical position. I guess der Spiegel nailed it with this cover here:

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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2016, 06:36:16 pm »
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See? If we didn't get rid of duels, we wouldn't have these kind of problems.
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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2016, 06:48:17 pm »
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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2016, 06:50:02 pm »
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Bullshit, it's artistic freedom. Rappers insult others openly in songs all the time and nobody ever sues them because of it. Jan Böhmermann could be considered an artist and he will not be imprisoned because of this shit.
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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2016, 06:50:29 pm »
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You're talking about the poem, I guess.

It's a legal issue, really. You're allowed to make fun of people, covered from several angles by law.
But you're not allowed to simply insult someone. There is a difference.

What Böhmermann did was the latter.
It went down like this:
He said "I gonna show you the limits of what current laws allow as explanation why extra3 with their song did everything right. It will be not allowed by law. It will be removed by the station. It will be removed from the internet as far as the station is concerned. Remember, this is not allowed, it's called "Schmähkritik"."
He then started reading the poem which simply consisted of insults directly aimed at the person Erdogan, not connected to his status, his actions... purely personal insults.
And that is not allowed.
If he faces legal consequences for it, that is fine by me.

There is a fine line between satire and just insults. He crossed it. He might get fined for it.
He is a very smart guy. He knew perfectly well what he was doing.

It's national law. Has nothing to do with Turkey, refugees or anything political. If I post a video saying "Angela Merkel is a fucking b***h!", they'll come after me. If I post a video saying "Max Mustermann, my neighbour, is an asshole.", Max Mustermann can sue me and I will be fined.

But groups like Pussy Riot get the Molly seal of approval, right? A crusade of "freedom of speech and expression" is all well and good when it's against Russia, but fascist, Islamist, Turkey? Bad insults, bad!
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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2016, 06:51:19 pm »
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But groups like Pussy Riot get the Molly seal of approval, right? A crusade of "freedom of speech and expression" is all well and good when it's against Russia, but fascist, Islamist, Turkey? Bad insults, bad!

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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2016, 07:16:57 pm »
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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2016, 07:32:11 pm »
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So wait, Molly how does this "law" even impact anything? Has Erdogan filed a complaint? How many fines are handed out yearly on his basis in Germany?

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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2016, 08:11:14 pm »
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But groups like Pussy Riot get the Molly seal of approval, right? A crusade of "freedom of speech and expression" is all well and good when it's against Russia, but fascist, Islamist, Turkey? Bad insults, bad!
If this is serious, you're even more retarded than I imagined.

Oh really? Jesus christ, that sounds horrible.
Pretty sure it's similar in Sweden... and actually in most European countries.

As an example:
Calling a police officer "Asshole" will net the state a few €.

But I am far from being an expert in legal things. Do not quote me on any of this.

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Oh, and I doubt he'll be imprisoned. Maybe some 100€s or something.
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Re: Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2016, 08:48:28 pm »
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What about the comical song though? Did ZDF really have to delete that video too?

No matter how you slice this, it is downright absurd. Even Merkel herself can freely be mocked, but not the useful fascist. He is fucking untouchable.