#dream is alive

[Xant]

wtf?! 
...not cool.

Because you can't HANDLE THE TRUTH?

[Turkhammer]

Actually that place exists, it's Daech territory, that apparently only the Russians have the balls to bomb into the dark ages because weewee civilians.

Lol do you really believe that?  The Russians spent more bombs and time bombing Assad regime opponents OTHER than ISIS than they did ISIS.  They don't care about Daesh or ISIS, they just want to keep Assad propped up.

[Butan]

We nuked Japan. We, the west, dropped 2 nuclear weapons on an enemy state. Noone else has done that.

USA nuked Japan, not Europe, and I'm still waiting, like a lot of people out there, for the moment where the current US president will publically apologise for this civilian massacre abomination.

The house of Othman ran rampant over the Byzantine empire and the west barely did shit. But then they fucked up when they came into mainland Europe and thought it would be the same. It wasn't. We mounted the largest cavalry charge in all of recorded history and fucked them up.

Even Spain: under the Caliphates, Al-Andalus was a great place to live, but we couldn't let them keep it and even if it took 600 years we fucked them up and took it back.

Mighty European League let all the Balkans go to shit and Hungary/Austria half annexed before they miraculously began to turn the tide, same as with Hispania. There was hundreds years of Mighty European countries sucking Ottoman's/Caliphate dick as vassals or as dominated neighbours, and business ran as usual  (killing each others for lands).
You are naive if you think European Union is a natural state of things and that we somehow are superior to others because reasons. Think Roman Empire.



Anyway I dont see the comparison between countries at wars and immigration problems. Too many Europa Universalis will fuck you in the head I guess.

[Falka]

USA nuked Japan, not Europe, and I'm still waiting, like a lot of people out there, for the moment where the current US president will publically apologise for this civilian massacre a bomination.

They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind.

[Xant]

USA nuked Japan, not Europe, and I'm still waiting, like a lot of people out there, for the moment where the current US president will publically apologise for this civilian massacre abomination.

Oh, come now, nothing wrong with killing the occasional civilian or two during war time.

You are naive if you think European Union is a natural state of things and that we somehow are superior to others because reasons. Think Roman Empire.

Roman Empire, the precursor of the European Union. Just proving the might of Europe.

[ecorcheur_brokar]

And yes, you can carpet-bomb civilians and hope that some of the bombs hit baddies. Somehow it doesn't feel the same as when the UK and Germany bombed the shit out of each other as this was intended to cripple airfields, divert heavy industry towards air defence, and push the public in a more 'anti-war' direction to put pressure on their respective governments. The German Blitz was designed to break the spirit of an already fragile elected government without having to commit the resources to a sea/land invasion. The UK retaliation was to create a 2nd front without yet committing the resources to a sea/land invasion. And even this is something history has mixed feelings about.

The carpet bombing of Germany was made in the hope that it would alienate the population toward the chocolate chip cookies, it wasn't successful. Supplementary reason not to carpet bomb civilian if the humanitarian cause wasn't enough.

Roman Empire, the precursor of the European Union. Just proving the might of Europe.

And germany once again will contribute to its downfall by barbaric invasion 

[Grytviken]

USA nuked Japan, not Europe, and I'm still waiting, like a lot of people out there, for the moment where the current US president will publically apologise for this civilian massacre abomination.

Japan murdered 4 million more civilians than albert in WW2. Japan also refused Obama's apology, they know they were responsible for the consequences. Again there was no realistic alternative to dropping the bombs, any approach to Japan was met with the equivalent of today's suicide bombers, they were sending out suicide squads of planes to kamikaze our warships. They weren't going to surrender any other way. They never gave a formal declaration of war, and declined all attempts at diplomacy to end the war by other means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_sunk_by_the_Imperial_Japanese_Navy

[Xant]

Japan murdered 4 million more civilians than albert in WW2.

God damn Albert.

[LordBerenger]

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[Grytviken]

The carpet bombing of Germany was made in the hope that it would alienate the population toward the chocolate chip cookies, it wasn't successful. Supplementary reason not to carpet bomb civilian if the humanitarian cause wasn't enough.
And germany once again will contribute to its downfall by barbaric invasion 

It did work though it paralyzed Germany's ability to wage war, Germany eventually surrendered and  there were many attempts beforehand to overthrow the government and put someone with common-sense in charge. The Germans were the first to employ this cowardly tactic of diverting massive amounts of air power to prioritize killing civilians over military targets.  The Polish, Czechs, French, Dutch, Greeks, Belgians and Norwegians wouldn't have given up so prematurely if it weren't for these cowardly tactics, they surrendered their military personnel to spare civilian lives. They would have never enjoyed such an easy conquest of Europe without employing these tactics on their enemies.

[Harpag]

Because you can't HANDLE THE TRUTH?

That's why. It was simply rude.

...Czechs...

I don't think so, but it's better to ask Beau 

[Xant]

It did work though it paralyzed Germany's ability to wage war, Germany eventually surrendered and  there were many attempts beforehand to overthrow the government and put someone with common-sense in charge. The Germans were the first to employ this cowardly tactic of diverting massive amounts of air power to prioritize killing civilians over military targets.  The Polish, Czechs, French, Dutch, Greeks, Belgians and Norwegians wouldn't have given up so prematurely if it weren't for these cowardly tactics, they surrendered their military personnel to spare civilian lives. They would have never enjoyed such an easy conquest of Europe without employing these tactics on their enemies.

"Cowardly tactics." Uh huh. If it worked, it's a good tactic. There is nothing inherently more """cowardly""" about bombing civilians than bombing soldiers.

"""Cowardly""" because it's a retarded term to use when talking about strategy in wars. You think it takes the leaders any bravery to order other people to die, whether it's civilians or soldiers? You think anyone cares about what is "cowardly" in a war, least of all the people fighting? It's not a game, it's war.

[Harpag]

"Cowardly tactics." Uh huh. If it worked, it's a good tactic. There is nothing inherently more """cowardly""" about bombing civilians than bombing soldiers.

"""Cowardly""" because it's a retarded term to use when talking about strategy in wars. You think it takes the leaders any bravery to order other people to die, whether it's civilians or soldiers? You think anyone cares about what is "cowardly" in a war, least of all the people fighting? It's not a game, it's war.

I see that you are very heroic and civilized    every attack on unarmed civilians is a cowardly you bloody freak!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes

[Xant]

I see that you are very heroic and civilized    every attack on unarmed civilians is a cowardly you bloody freak!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes

I see that you're very childlike and naïve. Real life isn't a disney tale buddy, there's nothing "heroic" about going to war. And "civilized" is an empty word that means nothing.

[Butan]

"Cowardly tactics." Uh huh. If it worked, it's a good tactic. There is nothing inherently more """cowardly""" about bombing civilians than bombing soldiers.

"""Cowardly""" because it's a retarded term to use when talking about strategy in wars. You think it takes the leaders any bravery to order other people to die, whether it's civilians or soldiers? You think anyone cares about what is "cowardly" in a war, least of all the people fighting? It's not a game, it's war.

That is a terrorist act, plain and simple.
If you cannot beat someone's military, you kill unarmed civilians.

If you really believe the shit that pours out of your mouth, never again criticize terrorists's actions.