Pandor's repentance.

[Mr_Sativa]

Good to see the admins do take actions against cheating. Really good.

On another note, Pandor is a nice player aside from his cheating - unban him in due time.

[Renay]

Proper 500 word unban essay on why we should not modify our game data to have an advantage would we appropiate.

[DKNhz]

Proper 500 word unban essay on why we should not modify our game data to have an advantage would we appropiate.

Y, no chance to detect it again anyway. Just lie right to our faces and we'll pretend to believe. Then you can keep using your laser beams.

You guys are fucking unbelievable.

[Yeldur]

YES. Finally. Somebody gets it.

The ban needs to stay permanent, sorry if it's harsh but he was given many chances not to brag about it and he made a choice to, that's his problem. If he gets unbanned all that happens is that he will quite simply re-install the cheat and carry on using it, in situations like these, the ONLY safe option is to keep him banned, there is no in between.

[Yeldur]

Just a quick correction, he WAS given chances by Uther and Night, who told him not to post on the forums and brag about it if he's going to use it, then he did it again, this time posting a link to download it.

[Bobthehero]

Keep him banned, he can play mercenaries with his green arrows.

[BlueKnight]

You are all cruel and revengeful. If he says he won't use the green arrows we should let him play #SecondChances

I know he may lie but then it makes him a horrible person and it's enough of a punishment itself.

[karasu]

That has been the problem all the time with cRPG. Too many chances given. 

[Jambi]

Here's my thought.

http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/mods-compatible-with-crpg-%28updated-sticky%29/
Louder Horses (for More Metal Sounds)
Heavy Hooves (for native sounds, not for More Metal)
Horses are louder and more hearable. A must-have for any archer twat
69+ Upvotes, admins loving it. No issue's at all. Not a word about some of these mods giving ingame advantages or pointing out where to download these things..
But now that Pandor has actually showed these sort of stuff is being used, and throws it into your faces... now all this sudden you realise and get an opinion.
I call it narrowminded hypocrisy. Where was your so called "common sense" then?

It is realy sickening to see the admins and others circle jerking, repeating the same "Common Sense" thing over and over, adding no new dialog to the discussion. realy, its like some loud mouthed protesters repeating the same thing over and over, makes it so the opposite voice cannot be heard... its realy uneducated, populistic and contagious.
Also recognizing Pandor to be Russian... and making some american burger or wtf joke, also adds nothing to the discussion other then dumb humor and hints of bigotry.

Common sense is very subjective, as it is interpreted diffrently all over the world, and relies on past experiences... and everyone experiences things diffrently.
In this Pandor case in my opinion the "common sense" term is abused to push forward personal bias. And makes the common sense rule crpg a playfield for bias.
Its common sense to lock your door when you leave. For a thief its common sense to justify stealing from dumb people forgetting to lock there doors. You see how you can play with common sense easly to push your own bias?

All in all. We should look further then Green arrows and Pandor, and come to realise that this is not about these two things at all.
But its all about bias, bigotry, hypocrisy, short sightedness and overall failing of the CRPG community and the admin team as a whole. And Pandor was pointed out to take the fall for it... cause again, its easier to not look at your own short comings and blame others for it.

“Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it.”
― René Descartes

[McKli_PL]

@Jambi
so true, its allowed to download from official subsite crosshair with 3 dots, there was some big topic how to change night into day and if im not mistaken some morron in past uploaded neon weapons on forum also but noone baned him(i will not give u link but still is on forum). So in 2016 all those fucking brain damaged ,zero skill forum warriors are talking about crossing MORAL LINES in crpg and plz tell me , where is that line when u can shoot with modded crosshair with better pony sound on Daylight map is ok in moral way ? its the fucking admins fault that u never show the SOLID LINE what is cheat in this game(changing night ok, changing cav sound ok, changing crosshair ok, changing flora into jungle ok,changing Ui ok, changing blood ok but cucuber arrows not ok and being Russian Pindor not ok)

[Jambi]

That or your own personal interpretation of 'common sense' is fucked up. Do you believe that changing the textures of all arrows as an archer to make aiming and all things to do with your class easier is in any way comparable to making horses louder? With the tild key already and horses already making a noise coming up behind you anyway i dont see how this would benefit your gameplay.

Just about everyone thought these textures were crossing a line from the video. But admins left it.

Admins also let it go when Pandor insisted on creating multiple threads and posts to remind people that he's using these textures nobody approves of.

They decided to do something about it when Pandor posted a link for others to easily get these textures.

Jambi, you're retarded if you think the thread you linked has anything to do with this. If your own 'common sense' is different from everyone else's it's not 'common' sense then is it?

You're not talking about common sense, you're talking about opinions. They are two diffrent things.

[Umbra]

Well of course you would defend him Jambi, since you yourself used rainbow arrows 

Keep him banned, anything else is just wishful thinking.

[Jambi]

Well of course you would defend him Jambi, since you yourself used rainbow arrows 

Keep him banned, anything else is just wishful thinking.

Haha ic what you did there, naughty Umbra
No, read my post again. I'm not defending Pandor, i'm argueing the bigger picture. Pandor acted as a the wickerman in all his.

[Umbra]

Well, they have to draw the line somewhere. It just happens that peoples opinions will differ on where this line should be drawn. Ultimately, its their game, and their decision.

[McKli_PL]

sure i agree with u, hax is hax and it should be a ban but what is pissing me most is admins showing the MORAL LINE in .......2016