"Cologne sex attacks"

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[Xant]

It was relatively stable at least.

And people were still being killed left and right. There was just as much cause to flee back then as there is now.

Those "refugees" come here in the shadow of the follow up conflicts. Without the war in Syria they'd have a much harder time coming in. Heck, most of them even disguise themselves as Syrians to have a legitimation.

It's not America's fault Europe has shitty politicians that make shitty policies when it comes to accepting "refugees."

[Angantyr]

The recent Der Spiegel piece on the New Right (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/refugee-crisis-drives-rise-of-new-right-wing-in-germany-a-1067384.html). An interesting article, mostly for its propaganda value.

As so often lately on this topic in the more serious news outlets (same with the liberal Danish newspaper 'Information' which I've been a long-time reader of), the comment section is usually more reasonable:

Even this article is permeated with a blind denial of the legitimacy of an anti-immigration pro-European outlook. Talk of 'hate' or 'xenophobia' or 'fear' is infuriating. Please address the issues and stop pathologizing emotions, which are a consequence and not a cause. For instance "The fear of foreigners, of being "swamped" by them" is patronizing! There are a million refugees. That is a fact and a lot, acknowledge this. These emotions are simply the powerless response to policies perpetrated by the government against its own people. Merkel should reverse course or she will leave people no other choice than to turn to violence in self defense.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

Vast majority are young, adult, able bodied men, not the women, children and old men you would expect when you think "war refugee". The majority of those that have asked for asylum didn't come from Syria or Iraq, the journey to Europe requires funds and resources. The REAL refugees are largely in surrounding countries, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, etc. And that's ignoring the booming trade in fake syrian/iraqi passports that have suddenly gained much value, for obvious reasons. The opportunists outpaced out the real refugees by a large margin.

Is there any valid data on the matter?

I've a friend working in ER. He's a very conservative guy and many times in the past I condemned him for his in my eyes xenophobic views. But recently he witnessed several real fucked up war refugees and even he is now acknowledging that these are people in bad need for help.

The recent Der Spiegel piece on the New Right (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/refugee-crisis-drives-rise-of-new-right-wing-in-germany-a-1067384.html). An interesting article, mostly for its propaganda value.

What is propagandistic about it?

[Xant]

If he works in an ER then it's no surprise he's seeing the people who are fucked up and need help? I don't understand what it's supposed to prove that he's witnessed "several" refugees in need of help when there's millions of them.

[Rico]

What is propagandistic about it?

The article is basically a shitlist of right-wing politicians that illustrates why each of them is bad.

I don't know the biography of each one, I'm no expert on what they did and I can't tell whether the stuff written in the article is well-researched and coming to an unbiased conclusion or not. That's why I don't allow myself to judge it. I don't know if it's propagandistic or not.

But if it's not propagandistic, what else could it be? The only thing that comes to mind is redundant. An article with the conclusion "biased, extremist right-wing politicians are bad" is not exactly worth reading.

That's what I hate about politics. You need to spend several dozens of hours to research your own opinion, the alternatives are usually equally disappointing, and your vote is pooled with several million others, who either didn't inform themselves as much as you did, or wasted an equal amount of time so they can not make a difference.

[Angantyr]

What is propagandistic about it?

Its premises and conclusions are largely ideological. It doesn't address the well-documented substance of legitimate concerns that has made people from all social strata, and many from the left, become part of the New Right, instead preferring to paint it as a whole as 'xenophobia' or 'hate'. I think the left is doing itself a grave disservice by stigmatizing large parts of the population and by pathologizing emotions which are consequences not causes, as argued by the comment I quoted.

Is there any valid data on the matter?

According to Eurostat numbers only 1 in 5 of the refugees are from Syria. Without them there would still be an immigration crisis in Europe, accentuated by the disastrous policies of Swedish and German leadership.


On the police report from New Year's Eve in Cologne released yesterday, 'Chaotic and Shameful': http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cologne-attacks-on-new-years-produced-chaos-say-police-a-1070894.html

Why wasn't reinforcements called in? Tear gas, water cannons, however it is handled in Germany?

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leaked cologne sexual harassment

[Rico]

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leaked cologne sexual harassment

German women don't work this way
most landwhales are more like this

[Tibe]

According to Eurostat numbers only 1 in 5 of the refugees are from Syria. Without them there would still be an immigration crisis in Europe, accentuated by the disastrous policies of Swedish and German leadership.

Jup. The lets "help everyone, we can" policy has resulted in people from even the furthest parts of Africa, hoarding Europe. Its a pretty fucked up case of basically masses of people taking advantage of the current softness of European countries. The crysis isnt even ISIS or US bombings fault. Its basically due to Germany and Sweden announcing around the globe that they are offering refuge to everybody. And that sounds good and the smugglers made it sound even 10 times better. Helping Syrians was a nice thought, but now Germany and Sweden are stuck with a bunch of random people from god knows where. You couldnt even send majority of them back if you wanted to.

[RD_Professor]

I saw the title of this post and thought cologne was used in sex attacks. Gee was I wrong, judging from the latest posts it's about something entirely different that I'm too lazy to put into words.

[Kafein]

Someone decided to attack Iraq.

Oh no you didn't drop that thread bomb. I haven't read the two other pages yet, but it's about western imperialism again, right? Calling it.

Edit: yep

statistics from australian institute for crime research for first world countries:
on average, 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys becomes a rape victim before the age of 18
source: you get what you pay for (ebook)

Good lord the average austrian girl is raped more than the average US college girl has her butt touch a man through four layers of clothing while dancing in a nightclub.

Think about a syrian baby getting mowed down by border police as it hangs from barbed wire, his pregnant mother desperately trying to protect him.

Haha Oberyn at least we can agree on something. Brothers in cynicism.

[Leshma]

Serbian government didn't get the memo that proper way of dealing with dem 'migrants is the right way. They be showing on TV some policeman playing with dem 'migrant kids in snow. Serbia being 3rd worlds country always lagging behind modern trends in European centers...

In case you're wondering, haven't heard about one case of dem muslum 'migrants raping them nubile sexy females in my city. Must be government trying to cover up thy truth, we better arm ourselves to protect our freedoms. Amirite?

[Utrakil]

perhaps your women are not sexy enough.

[Leshma]

Or maybe muslums miss them pigs so much, they sexually exploit German women because they remind them of those forbidden animals.