"Cologne sex attacks"

[Christo]

haha fuck that 
id expect you guys split the skulls of shoplifters with an axe or something.

please be badass once again kkthx

[Xant]

Northern Europe(and my country) are so incredibly humane, that you are better off not touching robbers and just letting it happen. Even if someone breaks into your house, its just better to leave or go back to sleep than trying to confront the robber, even if your life was at threat(unless you have fucktons of evidence to back it). Somehow these countries are so horribly frightened of even a slightest form of vigilantism, that citizens arent really allowed to even touch a lawbreaker, let alone stop them.

Yup, the self defense laws are fucked up here.

[Kafein]

What about making sure and gifting them a knife post-mortem? It's your house, you probably have a knife lying somewhere.

[Tibe]

haha fuck that 
id expect you guys split the skulls of shoplifters with an axe or something.

please be badass once again kkthx

Yeah, you would. On paper it sounds good. Give criminals the benefit of the doubt and an insane amount of rights. That way both parties get equal threatment, til proper porcessing. However in a really odd manner it backfires horribly, because after processing its generally the victim, who wasnt fully cooperative to the robbers demands, that gets the short end of the stick and gets properly screwed by the law, while the robber walks away with a 5 times smaller fine and a significantly lesser charge. Because the law took a lying criminals words against a person who was clearly the victim into fullest account. In a lot of ways its the law of "fuck it, since nobody really admits it and both did something wrong, everybody is quilty".

[stukii]

Found something to read for Warlord. I dare you to actually read it!

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/koeln-silvester-mob-und-gegenmob-kolumne-a-1070724.html

And my favourite part as quote:
But that's Lügenpresse, right? All lies and slander!!1!

As long as none of your beloved getting hurt...
But in the end you are behaving like a ignorant piece of something. Because people all around are starting to suffer by this dirtbags and then calling for endless liberalism is just as stupid as damning all immigrants.
People like you are what makes a big anti-islamic movement necessary.

[Oberyn]

Welp, there's more and more evidence that the vast majority of the crimes committed were from asylum seekers. Guess I was wrong. Looks like it was mostly recent "refugees". Something similar as what happened in german cities was apparently prevented in Helsinki by police who broke it up before it snowballed into the clusterfuck it did in Koln, a bunch of "refugees" congregating at a train station deliberately for that purpose.

[Falka]

This whole debate boils down to how large of a gated community you want.

To be honest I'd rather have it like in the states, not rely on public services that much. That is ultimately the down-to-earth reason why poor westerners care more about borders than rich ones. The rich ones are getting fucked regardless.

I doubt it. Anti-muslim and anti-arabic sentiments seems to be based on cultural, not economic foundations. After all the rich women are getting - literally - fucked as much as the poor ones. And afaik germany will need immigrants anyway, because of lack of labour force. So don't really see how the problem of refugees affects only poor westerners. I guess that the poor and uneducated are more afraid of other cultures and races, but it's still a cultural thing, not economical. Even in Poland (where in reality problem doesnt' exist at all) people don't want to see refugees coming in due to cultural differences, not because they're afraid to lose a job or sth like that. Last year we've got 400 k immigrants from Ukraine and no one gives a damn about it.

 

[Xant]

Welp, there's more and more evidence that the vast majority of the crimes committed were from asylum seekers. Guess I was wrong. Looks like it was mostly recent "refugees". Something similar as what happened in german cities was apparently prevented in Helsinki by police who broke it up before it snowballed into the clusterfuck it did in Koln, a bunch of "refugees" congregating at a train station deliberately for that purpose.

I think I posted about it, the main Helsinki railroad stations looked like the Middle East, hundreds of Arabs everywhere...

[Lars]

Northern Europe(and my country) are so incredibly humane, that you are better off not touching robbers and just letting it happen. Even if someone breaks into your house, its just better to leave or go back to sleep than trying to confront the robber, even if your life was at threat(unless you have fucktons of evidence to back it). Somehow these countries are so horribly frightened of even a slightest form of vigilantism, that citizens arent really allowed to even touch a lawbreaker, let alone stop them.

It's fucked up here too, anyway if your life is at risk, always defend yourself (or run if you can't defend yourself, just don't stay there if you plan to do nothing)
There's a saying here "A bad trial is better than a good funeral".

Few years ago (near Verona if i remember well) a guy blocked 2 thieves who were about to break  into his house, then he tied them up  and waited for the cops; later the 2 thieves reported the house owner  for abduction...    " ehi i'm gonna break into your house, if you stop me i'm gonna report you for abduction or unlawful restraint"

If I you end  up hurting badly an intruder who broke  into your house, maybe  you'd better make him disappear in the wood-burning stove or in the garden, rather than calling the cops 

[Torben]

If I you end  up hurting badly an intruder who broke  into your house, maybe  you'd better make him disappear in the wood-burning stove or in the garden, rather than calling the cops 

when I was a kid a burglar broke into my neighbours house.  He drank from a coke bottle that contained some wheat poison or what not.  then continued to win a lawsuit against house owner for not labeling the bottle.

[Prpavi]

Just read similar shit went down in Zurich. Looks like they are gaining power, the more the are the stronger they get. They are the Borg? 

Srsly, I already asked the question but is anything done in the countries where this is going on or is it still taboo. I'm left in my viewes no doubt and am for giving a chance, but if more and more come and they feel they can go around in packs feeling safe, think it's about time some deportations start. I still believe there are decent and sensible men and women among the refugees, in the end they will get the wrong end of the stick and get deported.

[Torben]

Just read similar shit went down in Zurich. Looks like they are gaining power, the more the are the stronger they get. They are the Borg? 

Srsly, I already asked the question but is anything done in the countries where this is going on or is it still taboo. I'm left in my viewes no doubt and am for giving a chance, but if more and more come and they feel they can go around in packs feeling safe, think it's about time some deportations start. I still believe there are decent and sensible men and women among the refugees, in the end they will get the wrong end of the stick and get deported.

its not taboo,  police that was there already stated whatever happened,  it seems police was anticipating trouble,  officers where even worried that people might die that night and asked for backup already before 11pm, as forces on site felt more and more aggravated because they could only do the bare minimum and not help everybody.  however those reinforcements where not granted.

in the aftermath even merkel is now saying that there is no place in germany for migrants not respecting women or our way of life.  consensus is that migrants not complying with the law shall be deported more quickly.

on a side note,  a lot of violence happend that night in my home town near cologne too,  a man got beat up infront of his house after asking migrants to stop throwing fireworks at his family,  a police car was attacked.  my brother was attacked by four people and cut with a knife a few days earlier,  and a friend of mine was robbed and beat up last night.

the fuck is going on.

[Kafein]

I doubt it. Anti-muslim and anti-arabic sentiments seems to be based on cultural, not economic foundations. After all the rich women are getting - literally - fucked as much as the poor ones. And afaik germany will need immigrants anyway, because of lack of labour force. So don't really see how the problem of refugees affects only poor westerners. I guess that the poor and uneducated are more afraid of other cultures and races, but it's still a cultural thing, not economical. Even in Poland (where in reality problem doesnt' exist at all) people don't want to see refugees coming in due to cultural differences, not because they're afraid to lose a job or sth like that. Last year we've got 400 k immigrants from Ukraine and no one gives a damn about it.

The anti-immigration sentiment in general is at least partially economically motivated for the poor, because poorly educated immigrants compete for the same pool of zero-qualification jobs. You can argue around that all you like, I think there's a legitimate reason why that is present in the communication of basically every populist party.

[Falka]

In the case of general anti-immigration feelings I guess that you're right, but particular antipathy towards muslim refugees has to be based on some other/additional factor. I'm not sure if you should paint with the same brush people who are against all immigrants and people who are exclusively against muslim immigrants. Oberyn, isn't he only against muslims, not against any and all immigrants?

[Xant]

I haven't met anyone who's against immigration because of "our jobs." I've met a lot of people against Muslim immigration.