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Disable blocking on all lances
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Enable blocking on all lances
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There should be no change from the current setup
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Offline ArchonAlarion

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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2011, 11:32:57 pm »
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I get entertainment from realism.

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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2011, 12:45:26 am »
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How would it be unrealistic?

The reason it was changed in Warband was because the Great Lance could also thrust. In exchange for being able the thrust, they decided it could only couch for so long. But since the Great Lance has no thrust in cRPG, it should be returned to infinite couching at speed.

Because the lances made for couching (well, all lances of that era and after were mad for couching) were too heavy to be held in a couched position for too long. It's a bit like archers that loose accuracy when they draw their bow for too long.

There one thing that needs change though, if we only want minimal changes, it's to reduce the couched lance cooldown to nearly zero. There's no reason for it, and this way of fighting needs a buff since we don't see anyone using great lances (diversity and all that...). If we wanted things to be a little more historical, the dominating lance fighting style would be the couched lance.

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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2011, 01:09:32 am »
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Depends on the era Kafein, but impact combat was certainly one of the most fierce tactics in the arsenal of mounted warfare.

I'm making a new thread to address lancing. Let's discuss this further over there. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,7085.0.html
« Last Edit: May 30, 2011, 01:55:50 am by Seawied »
So with PT >10 stones become simple too effective
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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2011, 03:02:00 am »
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disabling on all would be extremely stupid since lancers can block with a shield anyway. and no shield lancers already gimping ourselves since we dont get 360 degree blocking forcefield. (I would love to see proper 2h lance animations and increased speed/reach than current 1h ones)

yes to adding manual blocking on jousting lances tho.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2011, 03:03:33 am by Banok »

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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2011, 06:16:40 pm »
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I would imagine block removed from all lances but staying for spears-type weapons (less damage, faster, shorter, not couchable). This would lead to two different classes of cavalry: lancers with (very probably) shield and mounted spearmen, with respectively their own style of fighting.

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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2011, 07:22:03 pm »
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I would imagine block removed from all lances but staying for spears-type weapons (less damage, faster, shorter, not couchable). This would lead to two different classes of cavalry: lancers with (very probably) shield and mounted spearmen, with respectively their own style of fighting.

sounds pretty cool actually, shame the hafted blade is so buggy mounted.

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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2011, 09:39:02 pm »
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sounds pretty cool actually, shame the hafted blade is so buggy mounted.

Has some of the worst animation in the game.   :cry:
So with PT >10 stones become simple too effective
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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2011, 02:38:37 am »
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I would imagine block removed from all lances but staying for spears-type weapons (less damage, faster, shorter, not couchable). This would lead to two different classes of cavalry: lancers with (very probably) shield and mounted spearmen, with respectively their own style of fighting.

This is a cool idea

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Re: Either enable blocking on all lances, or disable on all
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2011, 02:35:55 am »
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If block is removed from all lances, as someone already pointed out, lancers would be forced to resort to 1h/sheild for secondary/dismounted combat--or get another 1slot weapon of some kind. Polearm users and those players who use a 2h weapon as a backup (ie, cavalry who don't fight with a shield, minus HA), while not exactly fucked, would be nerfed considerably, being unable to block incoming attacks on horseback. This might not be an evil thing, however, and I'm sure those classes would still exist.

Playtesting would be necessary to determine the extent to which removing lance-blocking would negatively effect polearm and two-handed specialist cavalrymen. I suggest those who are reading this try playing without blocking, and without a shield, on horseback. I am simply curious.

As to the suggestion that jousting/greatlances be allowed to block: I do not exactly care, to be honest. The weapons are already at a severe disadvantage to other lances, being unable to thrust, and are next to useless on foot. Perhaps it would be good to buff them enough so that their users could at least defend themselves.

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