We didnt say anything about ISIS. Even accepting common decent muslims and their culture fully, instead of forcing them to accept Western. is technically commiting cultural suicide. That was the point. Has nothing to do with ISIS or terrorism.
Even this line of thought is partially wrong for me. So, you do not confuse ISIS/terrorism and muslims. Many lefties will try to make you sound that you do, to destroy your credibility, but I wont. Still, you think that even "common decent muslims" are automatically a problem if they live in a western country? visitors can't see pics , please
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login Thats the major issue there, when we have the "middle debate", what is between black (muslim=terrorism) and white (welcome everyone!).
What is the "Western" culture for you? Is there a special way of doing things to be a westerner? Is doing whatever the fuck we want, inside the circle of the law, a "culture"? To me, accepting western culture doesnt mean that muslims needs to start drinking alcohol, gamble, eat pork and dress in a modern fashion; for example.
Our western culture is inherently tolerant, because there is no special way of doing things to be a part of it.
The biggest problem with muslims (that shows in the article on Brussels), is when they live concentrated, in a country that doesnt follow muslim customs. The ghettoization of muslims, or the progressive appropriation of space by a new dominant group. Generally speaking, if this dominant group is a particular ethnicity/skin color, it often leads to racism from them; it is a fact still vastly denied by the masses, that for example, a black ghetto will lead to racism against white people/other.
If the new dominant group are followers of a particular religion, it will often lead to religious law replacing common law; this is where the article about molenbeek hits right home.
When the new dominant group is both following a particular religion, and almost all sharing the same skin color... the shittiest things will happen down there, pack your things fast if you're not part of it (=> subsequently accelerating the domination of said group).
Lets be real, most muslims are arabs and most arabs have the same skin color. This mean that when muslims relocate/immigrate massively
AND in the same places, shit will ensue.
This open the way to muslim mafia, basically, and since you cant just expropriate people because they are muslims, and most politics will refuse to uphold the law in the ghettos, those place will be the pits of hell of intolerance and injustice.
Its not every religion either, since as many people said, Islam itself can encourage violence and expansion, and is uncompatible with basic western customs/laws, if Islam is followed by the book. So muslim ghettos is combining every shittiest things possible in our still heterogeneous world: potentially fubar religion, mostly foreign ethnicity, mostly non-white.
So, after reading all this, why do I sound like I disagree with the fact that even common decent muslims should be shunned from our european lands?
There is many reasons, I will invoke some, they may sound like Disney reasons but it is my humble opinion. Bear with me.
First, because it is in the roots of the western culture that we all dearly love, to accept everyone whatever skin color/religion/other. Only crime is criminal. If we stop people based on other conditions, the western culture will progressively become what we want to fight against, as stupid as it may sound. A modicum of special anti-immigration, anti-terrorism laws can be adopted, but not much more, before our culture is too strongly corrupted with intolerance, and becomes "used" to it.
Second because, even a decent common man will turn sour in the worst of conditions, like a man in a ghetto would. And like I said before, even if he does nothing wrong, it is often the inaction of good men that opens the way for evil. In context: muslim extremist, jihadist and terrorists take control easily, if noone tries to stop them. Most often, the police and the government will not, except when it is already too late.
Understanding why this shit happens, in the conditions where it happens, leaves us with some possibilities/insight of when/where muslims are not a problem. They need to always be a minority, ghettos should not be permitted to be built upon our lands, and the common law need to be strictly enforced everywhere, religious activities must be supervised and never exceed authorized boundaries. Even only this mean that we would need to go against parts of the international human rights, and probably a big part of the population's opinion.
The problem is, ghettos are already there by the thousands, and not only muslim ghettos, but black ghettos, arab ghettos, chinese ghettos, x ghettos... All with there own imported problems. All those ghettos are hives for crime, racism and counter-racism, extremism and terrorism. How to deal with these foreign cultures well rooted inside our countries, when they go against law and our own tolerant culture? Very good question... That I wont answer because my wall-o-text is long enough.
To know that this all start because immigrants/foreigners are always more comfortable living with "their people" visitors can't see pics , please
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loginEven though, actually, western nations are dealing with this one issue passively and it creates tension and crime,
AT LEAST we are "blessed" to have contact, thus tension, with other culture/religion/ethnicity. The fact that we are in contact with different people, create exchange, even between two extremely intolerant/uncompatible groups, and we become more homogeneous by the day... more tolerant between each others... because we are becoming the same.
We are only in the early stages of the "melting-pot"-isation of the world, where every races will progressively mingle together, and we finally form one race: the human race. Whether we do it peacefully, or through active/passive extinction of minorities (I wouldnt mind active extinction of ISIS followers, for example
), is the only thing we can influence in the world of today.
I know some here will be naturally against this idea, but it is something we cannot fight against, thanks to the modern age and its technologies. At least I hope we get there someday, so I convince myself it is unstoppable
One race, one "religion" (or absence of religion), one skin color, possibly one language... and lets dream... one "country", wouldnt that be awesome?
