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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #375 on: November 18, 2015, 03:13:21 pm »
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Most of the top terrorists have always beeen college educated in western schools, usually with engineering degrees. How else do youl earn to make bombs? just remember dumb people would never have gotten this far
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #376 on: November 18, 2015, 03:16:10 pm »
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Being worst than pple you hate is the racist first amendment... Can't smartly talk with them.

You can't "smartly" talk with anyone, pepe. That would require you to have an inkling of brains first, not just an empty cavern filled with brightly coloured confetti and Disney level empty platitudes. I think you've spent too much time with your children and students, you appear to constantly be on that same intellectual level.
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #377 on: November 18, 2015, 03:16:46 pm »
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I'm pretty sure he believed in what he was doing. Not for power but what he thought to be the "Greater Good". He could have had an easy life in luxury but he choose the cave. Idealists are the most dangerous.

Yes you are right.

I'm sure Hitler in his mind was doing everything for "Greater Good" as well. Not to mention Lenin and Stalin.
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #378 on: November 18, 2015, 03:22:35 pm »
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Clearly, National Socialism as an ideology had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust. Only a very small minority of chocolate chip cookies were responsible, probably less than 99.97%. How could we possibly cast collective blame on an entire people for the actions of only a few? Only vile, racist anti-chocolate chip cookie biggots would do such a thing. chocolate chip cookies were individuals too.
Same thing with totalitarian Communism, the tenets of the ideology are completely blameless! Wasn't even "real" Communism anyways, real Communism is about universal peace and love and understanding.
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #379 on: November 18, 2015, 03:34:20 pm »
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Oberyn is idealist extremist so he's dangerous. End of story.
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #380 on: November 18, 2015, 04:00:54 pm »
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Clearly, National Socialism as an ideology had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust. Only a very small minority of chocolate chip cookies were responsible, probably less than 99.97%. How could we possibly cast collective blame on an entire people for the actions of only a few? Only vile, racist anti-chocolate chip cookie biggots would do such a thing. chocolate chip cookies were individuals too.
Same thing with totalitarian Communism, the tenets of the ideology are completely blameless! Wasn't even "real" Communism anyways, real Communism is about universal peace and love and understanding.

Do you believe Osama Bin Laden's ideology represents Islam accurately? He was ignorant, delusional bigot but he was relatively smart just like the rest of above. You can be smart and ignorant at the same time (just like you are demonstrating here with your posts) and that is dangerous when your surroundings are shit on top of shit.
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #381 on: November 18, 2015, 04:06:40 pm »
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I'm pretty sure he believed in what he was doing. Not for power but what he thought to be the "Greater Good". He could have had an easy life in luxury but he choose the cave. Idealists Extremists are the most dangerous.

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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #382 on: November 18, 2015, 04:07:45 pm »
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I think daesh encapsulates Islam accurately. Literally following every single one of it's teachings to the letter. I think Israel's theological and nationalistic stance are largely due to jewish supremacism embedded in their orthodox teachings. I think that the worst, least "progressive" reactions from european conservative christians and extremists are absolutely because of their religion. The only acceptable forms of any of these religions are the ones that have been blunted and grinded down by modern liberal thought. The Buffet-Religious are so blinded by their irrationality they cannot accept that the "peaceful" versions of their religions were made that way DESPITE their teachings, not because of them, that it took hundreds of years of social and political upheavals before these modern forms were considered the norm.
Again, since you so blatantly ignored it, how does your little theory fit in with the middle and upper class "french" muslims that were born and lived their entire lives here, who were never subjected to any of the factors you apparently think are so relevant? How were these people's surroundings "shit on top of shit"?
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #383 on: November 18, 2015, 04:20:08 pm »
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Shit on top of shit creates the momentum at the beginning of spreading of such an ideology. Keep it going long enough and you start getting smarter and smarter people buying into the delusion.
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #384 on: November 18, 2015, 04:31:43 pm »
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You're right, how could I not have seen it. All the extreme conservative christians in the US, the only reason they believe the things they do is because of opression and poverty and their lives being shit on top of shit. The extreme orthodox israeli settlers who believe wholeheartedly they are god's chosen people and the land was given to them and them only in a divine covenant, that is only because of external factors completely outside of their control, absolutely nothing to do with the tenets of their religion. Thank you for opening my eyes, I now feel nothing but sympathy for the poor Westborough Baptist church retards, clearly they are merely poor victims of circumstance, so much opression and shit lives, the justifications and quotes from the Bible were merely random, after all there is absolutely nothing in there that completely agrees with their position. Just look at how many christians ignore the teachings they find uncomfortable or incompatible with their own cherry-picked beliefs, that must mean the justifications aren't there at all, it's merely literally written down black on white in their holy book, how naive to think that this is where the notion comes from.
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #385 on: November 18, 2015, 04:56:14 pm »
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I agree with some points here, even though its very hard to see real opinions through all the sarcasm.

Where I dont get it is you seem to blame the buffet-religious as much as the ones going by the book. The cherry-pickers didnt wait for Islam to reform itself from all the over-the-top agressive expansionism surats, isnt that good?

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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #386 on: November 18, 2015, 05:03:42 pm »
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The Buffet-Religious are so blinded by their irrationality they cannot accept that the "peaceful" versions of their religions were made that way DESPITE their teachings, not because of them, that it took hundreds of years of social and political upheavals before these modern forms were considered the norm.
Here you making the point that social and political actions manage to turn down the most extreme view of a religion and that events can on the opposite turn up the most extreme part of religion.

Christianism, thanks to years of social and political upheavals, was turned down to a point where it can only cause little harm to the society although we now he had the power to do much greater harm in the past. Why islam could not be turned down and mixed up with progressiv ideologie too? We can already see huge difference in muslim believes across the globe, muslims in the west are way more peacefull than those in middle-east.

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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #387 on: November 18, 2015, 05:20:43 pm »
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Because christianity's reform came from within the cultures that housed it, it was not imposed from outside. Muslims in the west are more "peaceful"? Really, that's what you're going with? Muslims in the west aren't becoming increasingly radicalized as their proportion of the population grows? Did you miss the past decade of history? Even if that was true (it isn't), if you hadn't noticed the vast majority of the muslim population in the world is not in the west. Muslims living here becoming slightly more accepting of western mores will not do shit to reform islam. The rest of the muslim world is in a vastly different course, and it is dragging the muslims of the west with it.
And the reform of christianity was not a peaceful, gradual process, it was triggered by massive suffering and civil wars. You may think it's selfish, but I have no idea why the west is somehow responsable for Islam's reform. Their religion has absolutely nothing to do with our cultures, in fact throughout history has ALWAYS been antagonistic to it.

And of course you agree with some of the points there Butan, it is literally the exact same rhetoric but applied to targets you find acceptable. All of a sudden it makes sense, no need for a thousand excuses or  external factors to explain it. I don't blame the buffet cherry-pickers, I don't expect any religious people to be rational about an irrational belief. The problem is bundle of stickss like YOU, ready to accept any facile, bullshit excuse "explanation" as long as it saves you the trouble of appearing "racist", i.e applying the same standards to other cultures that you apply to your own.
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #388 on: November 18, 2015, 05:34:08 pm »
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Re: France under attack....
« Reply #389 on: November 18, 2015, 05:37:34 pm »
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You may think it's selfish, but I have no idea why the west is somehow responsable for Islam's reform.

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