Cured meat causing cancer

[Molly]

Meat causes cancer... hmm, gonna eat vegtables - oh wait, pestizides in them causing cancer... well, gonna eat fish then - dang, there is heave metals like quicksilver in them...

I know - just gonna starve myself then! -.-

[Bjord]

Stop eating white bread, or bread that contains yeast or flour. Stop eating white rice, stop eating canned tuna, stop eating tuna in general (full of heavy metals), cut down meats to once or twice a weak (meat is acidic, for optimal health your body needs a pH of 7) eat more greens. If you can't avoid meat, eat turkey instead of chicken/beef, these are the worst. Make sure you get enough fatty acids, like omega 3 and 6, also start cooking with clarified butter or ghee, or even coconut oil.

And as with anything, moderation.

hmm, gonna eat vegtables - oh wait, pestizides in them causing cancer...

Make sure the vegetables you buy are organic, and you won't have a problem.

Eating well is super important, if you don't want to lose your hair from the radiation of the monitor you're in front of 5-6 hours a day.

[Xant]

Make sure the vegetables you buy are organic

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1.
noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.

Organic may refer to:
Organic, of or relating to an organism, a living entity
Organic, of or relating to an anatomical organ

1
a :  of, relating to, or arising in a bodily organ

1) In chemistry, a term used to describe any molecule held together by a chain of carbon atoms.

2) Used to describe the characteristics of a living system (for example a creature's body or an entire habitat) consisting of smoothly running interacting parts and shaped by the processes of Darwinian evolution.

3) As an analogy in the creative process, used to describe a work such as a novel or movie script made in such a way that the various parts developed as they were written/painted/whatever, one from another, rather than sticking rigidly to a preconceived plan.

4) In popular culture, a term applied in line with the most rabid intentions of New Age pseudoscience, ultimately from the mouths of people who would like to have scientists burned at the stake. Much favoured by people who use chemical as an unqualified snarl word. Artificial fertilisers are decried as poison, despite the fact that they contain the same chemical compounds that plants derive from "natural" fertilisers; if these compounds were real poisons, our biosphere would have been in serious doo-doo long ago. Anything coming from a lab is allegedly ipso facto evil and foul, even if its molecular structure is identical to that of compounds found in Nature. Genetic engineering is seen as the foul left hand of Satan, based on arguments that are about as rational as those for the existence of the fellah downstairs, too. Organic farming is held by its propagandists to be the farming of the future ... and it might be, at least if the human population of the Earth drops by 99 percent. Typical stock in trade arguments from the "organic" movement, as elsewhere in the witchypoo "alternative" movement, consist of appeals to fear, to irrationality and to conspiracy theories about Big Business ... but, such has been the success of the propaganda campaign over the last few decades, nobody seems to subject "organic" produce to the same safety standards. "Organic" production requires far more acreage than conventional farming methods to produce the same yield. It is typically shilled for by celebrities, who after all often have more money than sense and can afford to buy the stuff, and much beloved of fad dieters who don't eat that much anyway. All in all, one of the movements that make one genuinely fearful for the future of our technological civilisation.

[Torben]

oh god xant!  you know I love you on a sexual basis,  but damn.  you can be so stupid,  you cute little bastard.

[Bjord]

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1.
noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.

Organic may refer to:
Organic, of or relating to an organism, a living entity
Organic, of or relating to an anatomical organ

1
a :  of, relating to, or arising in a bodily organ

1) In chemistry, a term used to describe any molecule held together by a chain of carbon atoms.

2) Used to describe the characteristics of a living system (for example a creature's body or an entire habitat) consisting of smoothly running interacting parts and shaped by the processes of Darwinian evolution.

3) As an analogy in the creative process, used to describe a work such as a novel or movie script made in such a way that the various parts developed as they were written/painted/whatever, one from another, rather than sticking rigidly to a preconceived plan.

4) In popular culture, a term applied in line with the most rabid intentions of New Age pseudoscience, ultimately from the mouths of people who would like to have scientists burned at the stake. Much favoured by people who use chemical as an unqualified snarl word. Artificial fertilisers are decried as poison, despite the fact that they contain the same chemical compounds that plants derive from "natural" fertilisers; if these compounds were real poisons, our biosphere would have been in serious doo-doo long ago. Anything coming from a lab is allegedly ipso facto evil and foul, even if its molecular structure is identical to that of compounds found in Nature. Genetic engineering is seen as the foul left hand of Satan, based on arguments that are about as rational as those for the existence of the fellah downstairs, too. Organic farming is held by its propagandists to be the farming of the future ... and it might be, at least if the human population of the Earth drops by 99 percent. Typical stock in trade arguments from the "organic" movement, as elsewhere in the witchypoo "alternative" movement, consist of appeals to fear, to irrationality and to conspiracy theories about Big Business ... but, such has been the success of the propaganda campaign over the last few decades, nobody seems to subject "organic" produce to the same safety standards. "Organic" production requires far more acreage than conventional farming methods to produce the same yield. It is typically shilled for by celebrities, who after all often have more money than sense and can afford to buy the stuff, and much beloved of fad dieters who don't eat that much anyway. All in all, one of the movements that make one genuinely fearful for the future of our technological civilisation.

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[Ikarus]

in a nutshell: keep an eye on the overall quality of the meat. Don´t eat meat everyday, but if so, treat yourself with some high quality meat

also, try veggie menus in the cafeteria, sometimes they´re surprisingly good and a great alternative to the regular "bratwurst and fries"-combo

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you fatty

[Teeth]

4) In popular culture, a term applied in line with the most rabid intentions of New Age pseudoscience, ultimately from the mouths of people who would like to have scientists burned at the stake. Much favoured by people who use chemical as an unqualified snarl word. Artificial fertilisers are decried as poison, despite the fact that they contain the same chemical compounds that plants derive from "natural" fertilisers; if these compounds were real poisons, our biosphere would have been in serious doo-doo long ago. Anything coming from a lab is allegedly ipso facto evil and foul, even if its molecular structure is identical to that of compounds found in Nature. Genetic engineering is seen as the foul left hand of Satan, based on arguments that are about as rational as those for the existence of the fellah downstairs, too. Organic farming is held by its propagandists to be the farming of the future ... and it might be, at least if the human population of the Earth drops by 99 percent. Typical stock in trade arguments from the "organic" movement, as elsewhere in the witchypoo "alternative" movement, consist of appeals to fear, to irrationality and to conspiracy theories about Big Business ... but, such has been the success of the propaganda campaign over the last few decades, nobody seems to subject "organic" produce to the same safety standards. "Organic" production requires far more acreage than conventional farming methods to produce the same yield. It is typically shilled for by celebrities, who after all often have more money than sense and can afford to buy the stuff, and much beloved of fad dieters who don't eat that much anyway. All in all, one of the movements that make one genuinely fearful for the future of our technological civilisation.

Good read, would read again

Stop eating white bread, or bread that contains yeast or flour. Stop eating white rice, stop eating canned tuna, stop eating tuna in general (full of heavy metals), cut down meats to once or twice a weak (meat is acidic, for optimal health your body needs a pH of 7) eat more greens. If you can't avoid meat, eat turkey instead of chicken/beef, these are the worst. Make sure you get enough fatty acids, like omega 3 and 6, also start cooking with clarified butter or ghee, or even coconut oil.

And as with anything, moderation.

Make sure the vegetables you buy are organic, and you won't have a problem.

Eating well is super important, if you don't want to lose your hair from the radiation of the monitor you're in front of 5-6 hours a day.

And all of Bjord's health recommendations are of course based on peer-reviewed scientific research

[Leshma]

Wonder if Snowden or Assange have anything interesting on WHO? That organization in past 15 years sold us H1N1, swine flue, Ebola and now this. Probably some other stuff happened during that time frame which I can't remember atm. How can a man have trust in anything they say?

[Rhekimos]

Even their "science" department disagrees with them: http://www.theguardian.com/science/sifting-the-evidence/2015/oct/26/meat-and-tobacco-the-difference-between-risk-and-strength-of-evidence

Actually, in that very article, both WHO and the Cancer Research UK say that there's a causal link between processed meat and developing cancer.

From the article:
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The risk from processed meat is far less. WHO never said that the risk would be as bad as from smoking.


But nobody in the news business can resist making click-bait headlines that equate the two.

Vegetarians are probably breathing a sigh of relief today as headlines are warning us that processed and cured meats cause cancer. But the way this message has been framed in the media is extremely misleading.

[Bjord]

Good read, would read again
And all of Bjord's health recommendations are of course based on peer-reviewed scientific research

You and Xant make such a cute couple of logic warriors.

I don't really feel like bringing up a thousand references of which you can Google yourself. Instead of sitting there on your high horse why don't you actually entertain the idea that all of which I stated might be true, and then do your own research.

And just because something isn't of academic source doesn't mean it's less valid, that's just your conditioned mind dismissing anything that hasn't been disproven/proven by academia or "science".

FYI WHO just announced that many red meats and processed meats are carcinogenic, 11 scientists took part in this research and enough evidence was gathered to support this statement.

[Teeth]

I just find it very curious that you are willing to heavily modify your food regimen and even dare to tell others what to eat, and are not certain about who told you to do that. Finding out whether for example, the acidity of meat has long-term harmful effects on the human body is no picnic. Any meaningful evidence requires extensive expertise and extensive testing, either on animals or epidemiological, and the only people that are going to be able to provide that are academics. Your average nutritionist has no idea about this. Still, even peer-reviewed research is a cesspit of flawed research, business interests, pressures to publish and vanity, all of which makes knowing the truth about any of these things very difficult.

I am myself of the opinion that worrying too much about what you eat is going to be more harmful to your well-being than actually eating some crap, especially since there is no easy way to sift out the bullshit. Not smoking and not being fat is enough for me.

FYI WHO just announced that many red meats and processed meats are carcinogenic, 11 scientists took part in this research and enough evidence was gathered to support this statement.

Yes, I know, I am in this thread too. It is important to not draw a larger conclusion than they present though. They say that eating processed meats increases risk of cancer and eating red meats "probably" increases risk of cancer. This does not mean too much in itself, and I see no reason to cease my consumption of red meat.

[Tibe]

that's why you don't eat meat that's above medium rare like a real man

Like a retard ive never understood the hype about rare meat. If its red it just looks like undercooked meat that has a possibility of having diseases, to me, which is why it kinda kills the appetite for me. I'd feel better eating well done than rare. Unless its like a very high quality steak.

[Torben]

Unless its like a very high quality steak.

even then I like it better well done.  just my tastebuds talking there,  but whatevs.

[Leshma]

This ain't about carbon. That's completely different topic and it involves barbecue as way of preparing food (not just meat, you can grill anything).

[Grytviken]

Moderation seems to be the problem here. Usually people eating processed and preserved shit on a regular basis are probably not living healthy lives to begin with. Laziness and convenience has become to norm for many people.