Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)

[Oberyn]

Ah good ol' Molly. Strange how you're so very interested in the gun debate in the US, you're obviously familiar with the issue and some of the research and statistics behind it. Apparently the thousands of rapped children just across the channel must not interest you as much, since you were just recently informed they even existed, and your reaction was lackluster to say the least. "Uh uh well I didn't really hear about it much you see", REALLY YOU GODAMN bundle of sticks, and this doesn't ring any bells for you? I guess you must not have looked into it too deeply, not nearly enough opportunity there to grandstand and criticize acceptable targets, right?

[Oberyn]

Lol hilarious, a spelling error, perfect opportunity to be a cunt smartass and completely avoid the arguement, but fortuitous, we get to see some more of Heskey's patented "poor brown people don't know any better" shtick. Yup, just posturing bro, zero effect on real life. The rates of rape and domestic violence and crime and violence and the destruction of the nuclear family among african americans since the 60's-70's is just a mirage. I'd say the elements common to popular rap music (ignoring that there's some really artistic and poetic use of the medium, unfortunately not nearly as popular) are a symptom of that and not vice versa, art imitating life, but thanks to condescending White Man's Burden crap like yours they can rest easy knowing it has absolutely no effect on their lives. This might surprise you but for a lot of people growing up in that culture and listening to that sort of stuff it is a way of life, not just a way for a suburban white kid rebelling against mommy and daddy to feel hard.

[Oberyn]

It evolved into a debate on firearms and american cultural perceptions of it pages ago, as it usually does, and race is absolutely relevant to gun crime in the US. You can pretend the patently clear statistics are irrelevant, but it won't make it true.

[LordBerenger]

So many beta males in the poll amirite? Was expected tho

[ecorcheur_brokar]

So now oberyn, tell me how the american society is so much more homogenous than EU society when blacks and whites that have lived there "together" for so long still don't have the same habits, don't live in the same places and in the same conditions....QED

If a chart was made on the correlation between poverty and gun violence I'm sure it would be even more correlated, as for the correlation between poverty and black skin...

[Oberyn]

Well the statistics are there. Why don't you look at them, if you're so sure? That even adjusting for wealth and social status there is still a gigantic gap? Again, since this point apparently flew right over your head, modern day african immigrants to the US are in a better situation, economically and socially, than the "white" average, by far, almost on the same level as east asian minorities. And they absolutely do not identify with the zeitgeist of "african american" culture. Obviously their skin colour is not a factor. HMMMMMM, I wonder if maybe, just maybe, culture is an influence. Naaaah, just ignore the obvious and claim "racism" at the first sign of criticism, that's the way to do it, that way the problem is downplayed, belittled and never adressed.

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It is estimated that the current population of African immigrants to the United States is about 881,300.[12] Countries with the most immigrants to the U.S. are Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, South Africa, Somalia, Eritrea, and Kenya. Seventy five percent (75%) of the African immigrants to the USA come from 12 of the 55 countries, namely Nigeria, Egypt, Ghana, Ethiopia, South Africa, Kenya, Liberia, Somalia, Morocco, Cape Verde, Sierra Leone and Sudan (including what is now the independent country of South Sudan), which is based on the 2000 census data.[13]

Additionally, according to the U.S. Census, 55% of immigrants from Africa are male, while 45% are female. Age groups with the largest cohort of African-born immigrants are 25-34, 35-44, and 45-54 with 24.5%, 27.9%, and 15.0% respectively.[12]

Africans typically congregate in urban areas, moving to suburban areas over time. They are also one of the least likeliest groups to live in racially segregated areas.[14][15] The goals of Africans vary tremendously. While some look to create new lives in the U.S., some plan on using the resources and skills gained to go back and help their countries of origin. Either way, African communities contribute millions to the economies of Africa through remittances.

Immigrants from Africa typically settle in heavily urban areas upon arrival into the U.S. Areas such as Washington, D.C., New York, Houston, Columbus, Ohio, Atlanta and Minneapolis have heavy concentrations of African immigrant populations. Often there are clusters of nationalities within these cities. The longer African immigrants live in the United States, the more likely they are to live in suburban areas.

African immigrants like many other immigrant groups are likely to establish and find success in small businesses. Many Africans that have seen the social and economic stability that comes from ethnic enclaves such as Chinatowns have recently been establishing ethnic enclaves of their own at much higher rates to reap the benefits of such communities.[16] Such examples include Little Ethiopia in Los Angeles and Little Senegal in New York City.

African immigrants to the U.S. are among the most educated groups in the United States. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.[17] According to the 2000 Census, the rate of college diploma acquisition is highest among Egyptian Americans at 59.7 percent, followed closely by Nigerian Americans at 58.6 percent.[18][19]

In 1997, 19.4 percent of all adult African immigrants in the United States held a graduate degree, compared to 8.1 percent of adult white Americans and 3.8 percent of adult black Americans in the United States, respectively.[20] According to the 2000 Census, the percentage of Africans with a graduate degree is highest among Nigerian Americans at 28.3 percent, followed by Egyptian Americans at 23.8 percent.[18][19]

Of the African-born population in the United States age 25 and older, 87.9% reported having a high school degree or higher,[21] compared with 78.8% of Asian-born immigrants and 76.8% of European-born immigrants, respectively.[22] Africans from Kenya (90.8 percent), Nigeria (89.1 percent), Ghana (85.9 percent), Botswana (84.7 percent), and Malawi (83 percent) were the most likely to report having a high school degree or higher.

Those born in Cape Verde (44.8 percent) and Mauritania (60.8 percent) were the least likely to report having completed a high school education.[23]

African immigrants tend to retain their culture once in the United States. Instead of abandoning their various traditions, they find ways to reproduce and reinvent themselves.[27] Because of the extremely diverse nature of African ethnic groups, there is no single African immigrant identity. However, cultural bonds are cultivated through shared ethnic or national affiliations. Some organizations like the Ghanaian group Fantse-Kuo and the Sudanese Association organize by country, region, or ethnic group. Other not for profits like the Malawi Washington Association [1] organize by national identity, and are inclusive of all Malawians. Other groups present traditional culture from a pan-African perspective. Using traditional skills and knowledge, African-born entrepreneurs develop services for immigrants and the community at large. In the Washington area, events such as the annual Ethiopian soccer tournament, institutions such as the AME Church African Liberation Ministry, and "friends" and "sister cities" organizations bring together different communities. The extent to which African immigrants engage in these activities naturally varies according to the population.

[Grytviken]

So now oberyn, tell me how the american society is so much more homogenous than EU society when blacks and whites that have lived there "together" for so long still don't have the same habits, don't live in the same places and in the same conditions....QED

If a chart was made on the correlation between poverty and gun violence I'm sure it would be even more correlated, as for the correlation between poverty and black skin...

being poor is an excuse to shoot people?

[ecorcheur_brokar]

So you think those high diploma with good income africans immigrants will go shoot others in the street to ruin their career and their life?

I think being poor is not an excuse to shoot people but it is a without a doubt an important factor, as you have less to lose.

http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com/povertycrime.php
I think by fear of being called racist they didn't include white in this study which I blame (anyway asian are here to compare  ) . Still we can see the correlation is way stronger between poverty than with black.

And damn oberyn, how can you manage to self-victimize yourself more than blacks can?

[Grytviken]

So you think those high diploma with good income africans immigrants will go shoot others in the street to ruin their career and their life?

I think being poor is not an excuse to shoot people but it is a without a doubt an important factor, as you have less to lose.

All the opportunities are there to get a job and move, it's a cultural problem not a poverty or education problem.

[Oberyn]

Yeah, for sure, never any black kids doing any shootings in schools, that's why there's fucking metal detectors and armed police in every "sensitive" high school in the country. Or it's so common and routine for black kids to kill each other over the dumbest fucking reasons that it's not worth a national debate every time it happens? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

You tell me, what is the percentage in there? Oh what's wrong, did your "journalists" from Salon and Huffington not focus on these events? GEE I wonder why. I have no personal or anecdotal experience at all, if the fucking statistics weren't enough. I'm just an ignorant raaaaccciiiist, was never in some shithole of a school in which racial segregation was not only expected but encouraged and enforced, by "minorities" most of all, never saw the consequences of the culture, course not.

[ecorcheur_brokar]

All the opportunities are there to get a job and move, it's a cultural problem not a poverty or education problem.

I am not really sure about my opinion on this topic. On one hand, high education costs a lot in US and unqualified job have very low wage, which makes it hard to leave your social class. But on the other hand, asians managed successfully to get out of the poor working class and immigrants seems to be able to do better than black americans. Maybe, the system is not pushing them toward success and they're not willing enough to overcome the barriers (or they didn't find the right way to overcome them), but I don't know enough about their situation to be able to judge properly.

If it's about white/black crime, then pull the stats on what % of school shootings are carried out by white males and what % are carried out by black.

Oh wait, that likely wouldn't suit your agenda and would be too relevant to this particular thread.

School shootings is quite irelevant compared to the total number of guns homicide, even tho the tread title is not Shooting in Murrica.

[Vovka]

But on the other hand, asians managed successfully to get out of the poor working class and immigrants seems to be able to do better than black americans.

or Asians have a higher IQ than black Americans? 

[Xant]

or Asians have a higher IQ than black Americans? 

What would you know about high IQ, mongolspawn?

[Vovka]

What would you know about high IQ, mongolspawn?

This goodies not for you nigga

[LordBerenger]

This goodies not for you nigga

Stop being raycist if ur gonna call Ukrainians názis pls. Otherwise I can't support Putin.