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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2015, 01:31:18 pm »
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82% Marco Rubio, whoever that is... But I'm okay with anyone, just don't let that snake Clinton win.

edit: also I'm a 50-year old christian redneck and I hope a republican candidate wins this election.
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2015, 01:36:04 pm »
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I always wonder why a balkan shithole like Croatia can afford free tuition and free healthcare but a rich and powerful country like the US cant or wont. You seriously need some kind of socialist democrat reformer to bring your shit up to western standards.

probably because your country is the size of americas butthole with a stupidly high unemployment rate.

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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2015, 01:39:56 pm »
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2015, 01:45:21 pm »
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High unemployment rate = can afford free tuition and free healthcare?
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2015, 03:04:44 pm »
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probably because your country is the size of americas butthole with a stupidly high unemployment rate.

If americas butthole with a stupidly high unemployment rate can afford it, whats stopping the US?
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2015, 03:40:04 pm »
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If americas butthole with a stupidly high unemployment rate can afford it, whats stopping the US?

Simply the backward mindset of 50% of America's population.

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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2015, 05:33:02 pm »
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This backward mindset, while it has its own issues, is what allows the US to stay a country that encourages economic activity rather than punishing it under fiscal and administrative burden like 80% of European countries. And you know what? It works. You are all poor compared to the average Singaporean, despite the fact that they have no resources, difficult geopolitics and were just another shithole 50 years ago. How did they get there? Liberal fiscal policies.

The problem with the US political spectrum is that economic liberalism is a dogma for Republicans rather than a tool to be used everywhere except where it doesn't fit the purpose. Education and health being sectors where it definitely doesn't.

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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2015, 06:28:39 pm »
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If americas butthole with a stupidly high unemployment rate can afford it, whats stopping the US?

if you have all these highly educated croatians, why are they not filling your workforce?  where are your jobs?  im sure your higher education can explain it.  20%, ouch.

competition breeds success, atleast thats how the saying goes.  Paying for the experience to attend a college of prestige where the best and brightest educate, sounds like a successful formula.  You get what you pay for.  Now there are clearly options for people with either little or no budget, and if you have the GPA for this anyways, getting into a college, even if its a community college shouldnt be an issue whatsoever.  Only seems the people who didnt put forth the effort in high school are the ones suffering, since they wont receive the funding that someone else would if they tried.  So, will making education free for all lower the standards of education?  will businesses not accept certain degrees now over others based solely off the school you attended? 

This spills over into healthcare as well, where some of the best doctors in the world are in the United States.  Id assume, this is directly because of the competition for success being pushed.  It is what it is, obviously every system is going to have flaws, its just choosing the one best suited for the situation.  Now of course the issue of providing healthcare to every tom, dick, and harry is another issue, and id rather not get into it.

Its up to the states to provide the standards, of which they mostly have.  Having a high GPA gives you the ability to apply for local/state/federal grants that for the most part either give you completely free education, or at such a reduced rate that paying 10% of what you would have paid is a godsend.  Most states already have these in place.  Not to mention you can put a hold on your loans until after you are done schooling if you can provide assurance of full time schooling.  Or you can just join the military and have it paid for regardless, so many options.



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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2015, 06:50:51 pm »
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if you have all these highly educated croatians, why are they not filling your workforce?  where are your jobs?  im sure your higher education can explain it. 

competition breeds success, atleast thats how the saying goes.  Paying for the experience to attend a college of prestige where the best and brightest educate, sounds like a successful formula.  You get what you pay for.  Now there are clearly options for people with either little or no budget, and if you have the GPA for this anyways, getting into a college, even if its a community college shouldnt be an issue whatsoever.  Only seems the people who didnt put forth the effort in high school are the ones suffering, since they wont receive the funding that someone else would if they tried.

This spills over into healthcare as well, where some of the best doctors in the world are in the United States.  Id assume, this is directly because of the competition for success being pushed.  It is what it is, obviously every system is going to have flaws, its just choosing the one best suited for the situation.  Now of course the issue of providing healthcare to every tom, dick, and harry is another issue, and id rather not get into it.

Its up to the states to provide the standards, of which they mostly have.  Having a high GPA gives you the ability to apply for local/state/federal grants that for the most part either give you completely free education, or at such a reduced rate that paying 10% of what you would have paid is a godsend.  Most states already have these in place.



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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2015, 06:59:33 pm »
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It is funny that most non-Americans are so big on Bernie the man (including me, as seen below). Also, who the fuck is Jeb Bush? Hasn't America had enough Bush's already?

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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2015, 07:47:56 pm »
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Yes because paying tuition and healthcare = 20% unemployment. Thats obviously Croatias problem.... Not the industry obliterated in the war, rampart corruption, a botched privatization project, dreadfully inneficient bureaucracy and abysmall leadership.

All those commie scandinavian and western European countries that also have this unemployment problem because they pay the tution and healthcare... oh wait.
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2015, 08:20:32 pm »
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Yes because paying tuition and healthcare = 20% unemployment. Thats obviously Croatias problem.... Not the industry obliterated in the war, rampart corruption, a botched privatization project, dreadfully inneficient bureaucracy and abysmall leadership.

All those commie scandinavian and western European countries that also have this unemployment problem because they pay the tution and healthcare... oh wait.

then dont bother comparing a country and stating, well a country the size of a thimble can do it, why not one the size of the entire continent????

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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2015, 08:30:38 pm »
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True, but in this case it's not backwards, it's political: poor + educated = most likely not republican.
Defeating the evil democrats is more important than the well being of the nation. Real patriots.

To be precise, it's mass media using rhetoric and prejudice to influence the poor, uneducated, or misinformed masses.  Conservatives have a strong financial influence on the media because they have more money than their liberal counterparts.  If you own the media you can control the narrative and that's the most important variable in the election cycle.  It has little to do with any implied "patriotism" or some inherent American principle.
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2015, 08:33:45 pm »
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then dont bother comparing a country and stating, well a country the size of a thimble can do it, why not one the size of the entire continent????

So, you are trying to say that the US cant afford it? I assure you it CAN

Here, pick one that isnt the size of a timble if that will satisfy you

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Are you really pround of being lumped with the likes of Africa, Russia and the middle eastren shitholes when it comes to this issue?
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2015, 09:21:57 pm »
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Are you really pround of being lumped with the likes of Africa, Russia and the middle eastren shitholes when it comes to this issue?

im not lumped with anybody, i received my education, and it was free(i know, youre talking about the country itself).  As i stated before, it could be free for others if they would look and study properly.  The fact it isnt titled "free college" is just about the only problem i can pull out of the whole debacle.  Maybe im just being stubborn about it all, but im telling you without a doubt that if you have the GPA, and the ambition, you dont need money.  If anything, id like to see the statistics of people who went to college, graduated, and what the employment rate looks like for them.  I know how large the hiring pools can be for just a dozen positions that are available.  Fix the employment issue before we bother making more unemployed.