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creative AI
« on: June 20, 2015, 08:42:13 am »
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I just read this interesting article: http://qz.com/432678/the-dreams-of-googles-ai-are-equal-parts-amazing-and-disturbing/

I describes experiments google did with it's image recognition software. When the network, which is trained to recognize images such as animals, is shown a normal landscape picture and asked to produce an image of it something like this happens:

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whole gallery: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPX0SCl7OzWilt9LnuQliattX4OUCj_8EP65_cTVnBmS1jnYgsGQAieQUc1VQWdgQ?key=aVBxWjhwSzg2RjJWLWRuVFBBZEN1d205bUdEMnhB

pretty beautiful weird stuff... and a bit scary too.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2015, 02:06:44 am »
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Following Notch makes you look autistic :D


And yeah, machines love dem animals and buildings.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2015, 02:20:08 am »
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AI is developing way too quickly. In 20 years, it's going to be a massive problem, Stephen Hawking is right on that.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2015, 02:21:59 am »
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AI is developing way too quickly. In 20 years, it's going to be a massive problem, Stephen Hawking is right on that.
Stephen Hawking isn't an AI specialist.
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Re: creative AI
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2015, 05:54:34 am »
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watched Chappie today, almost cried.

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speaking of AI, dat TARS, love em.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 01:42:01 pm »
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How could AI be a problem to begin with? What some people are really afraid of is the undeniable proof that humans are nothing more than biological constructs.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2015, 05:09:04 pm »
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How could AI be a problem to begin with? What some people are really afraid of is the undeniable proof that humans are nothing more than biological constructs.

Assuming a framework based on human minds, the issue is hardware.

Human brain design is not efficient, much like human ankle design. Based on that, an AI could be created that's more efficient, which suggests that the issue is software design rather hardware constraints.

If you have a human-level AI that can rewrite it's own code, it would be able to constantly improve itself. Since it may not have as many inefficiencies as regular human minds, it would be able to change itself fairly (it takes humans years to change their habits- an AI could do this in a second) quickly. Once it does this, it doesn't just become a particularly smart human- it's more like the difference between a dog and a human. Is a human going to listen to a dog, or do everything that a dog wants?

So you get an AI like this and you think 'O, let's just keep it isolated with no access to the outside world'. Think about how a human being is able to get lesser intelligences to do what it wants. Now, imagine something a degree smarter and how it might be able to persuade the humans it comes in contact with to give it external access or keep it running. What if it figures out that one of the researchers in the lab has a daughter that's dying of neuroblastoma, and offers a cure, if only it had access to more data? That doesn't even take advanced persuasive techniques into account. Stuff we haven't even mapped out yet.

That's one possibility. There's also the idea of a paperclip maximizer. Say you build an AI with the goal of making as many paperclips as possible (you could replace with 'farming as much nutrient dense food', or whatever) and find that AI constantly finds new ways to turn matter into paperclips. Where will it stop? Will it continue converting the entire solar system into paperclips?

The current expert estimates are between 20 and 250 years, where 20 is improbable.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2015, 05:15:40 pm »
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Stephen Hawking isn't an AI specialist.

One doesn't need to be an AI specialist to guess that it might become a problem in the future.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2015, 05:21:11 pm »
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Some thoughts on the technological singularity. Noam Chomsky has been in middle of the IT revolution through his life at MIT and is a scholar of the philosophy of mind and the cognitive sciences.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2015, 06:18:49 pm »
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One doesn't need to be an AI specialist to guess that it might become a problem in the future.
No indeed, since the statement applies to literally everything. I was referring to the time frame but maybe that was added by you.
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Re: creative AI
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2015, 06:38:16 pm »
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When reflecting about it, 20 years is a bit improbable, yes. But 50 years seem to be quite realistic when you know the rate of development we have got now.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2015, 07:04:47 pm »
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To create the technological singularity, ie. 'strong AI', science would first have to understand metaphysical terms such as 'mind' and 'thought', and we are a long, long way from that.

Human understanding has a certain scope, and therefore also certain limitations, a conclusion already established after mechanical philosophy gave way to the early natural sciences (Galileo, Descartes, Bacon, Newton), and repeatedly demonstrated throughout history.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2015, 07:29:44 pm »
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When reflecting about it, 20 years is a bit improbable, yes. But 50 years seem to be quite realistic when you know the rate of development we have got now.
What are you talking about? What development? We are not closer to true AI than we were 50 years ago. It's not a matter of just building more powerful computers.
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Re: creative AI
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2015, 07:33:16 pm »
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When reflecting about it, 20 years is a bit improbable, yes. But 50 years seem to be quite realistic when you know the rate of development we have got now.

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Re: creative AI
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2015, 08:00:51 pm »
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Some people here have been reading/watching too much sci-fi. AI like that simply is not happening in the foreseeable future.