Nerf couched lance

[Gurnisson]

Couch only lances are cheesy though, I think everyone can agree about that!

[Krex]

Couch only lances are cheesy though, I think everyone can agree about that!

They are 22 STR, nuff said.

[Algarn]

They are 22 STR, nuff said.

21STR.

[Leshma]

Great Lance can thrust in native. Also can be dragged left/right, which makes move back, lunge forward anti lance maneuver almost impossible (impossible against any half decent cav).

So yeah, cRPG cav not so bad after all and is only a shadow of native cavalry... ranged is comparable to native damage wise, but they have higher dps and much more arrows.

[ecorcheur_brokar]

Dunno why are we even discussing cav nerfs when ranged is the obvious issue. If cav were strong as some think they are, ranged would cry in tears because cavalry is counter for ranged.

OP is having issues with couched lance because he is STR build and avoiding couched lance is hard when you can't buzz around like bee on crack.

Haha you caught me!

Now that i realise i won't have support for my first idea, it would be great that someone puts a post about the second idea which is about buffing lower horse. I don't know enough about horse to do a precise post about it. I personnaly think armored horse have enough hp, but didn't play enough with them to really know. And when I see gravoth saying horse are too hard to kill, I'm conforted in my opinion than people who don't play with specific horse don't know what they are talking about. Imo the greateats difficulty of cav (at least with rouncey) is to keep your horse alive and ppl don't know how much effort and the kills you renounce to keep it alive. It seems to me cav is balanced vs infantry (apart from couched) but ranged are way to powerfull against cav. Ranged dodge easily heavy cav and easily kill light cav.

Anyway as Gravoth said it, it will always be difficult to balance cav as they are so powerfull when coming from behind and so vulnerable when from frontside.

[Rando]

I'm just as annoyed by being couched in the back as anyone else, but the idea of general infantryman surviving a couched lance hit and taking one more to die sounds even more ridiculous. You might be able to (barely) survive if you're a strength build with good plate, one of the very few rewards (if you can call it that) for playing a strength-based character these days - assuming you don't see the couched lance coming, of course. If you're an AGI build and see it coming there's 0 chance it will hit you unless you're playing with a Wii-mote.

[Riddaren]

Heavy lance / Lance
Couch lancing with these "short" lances is way more risky than thrust lancing with them due to decreased reach.
Furhermore thrusting deals more damage so there are quite few situations when you "should" couch lance.
I see no reason to change the couch lancing for these lances.

Build of Riddaren:

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Level 35
Strength:21
Agility:21
Polearm:170
Weapon Master:7
Athletics:7
Riding:7
Iron Flesh:4
Power Strike:7

Great lance
A big problem that I've mentioned like 10 times before is that it only needs 1 WPF in polearm to be 100% effective.
It's like you would only need 1 WPF in crossbow for maximum accuracy and reload time.

Sure, it deals high damage and has high reach but it has a fairly long cooldown and it requires more forward planning than using a heavy lance / lance.

Like with all classes, builds and play styles there are several skill levels.
This obviously includes the great lance or else I wouldn't be without any competition at the top.
I can't say it's easier than using a heavy lance or vice versa. It's just two different play styles.
If you think otherwise you just aren't at a high enough skill level.

Build of Matthaus, the 1H / great lance "hybrid":

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Level 37
Strength:21
Agility:21
One Handed:158
Weapon Master:6
Athletics:7
Riding:7
Iron Flesh:7
Shield:4
Power Strike:7

[Krave]

Do you see big difference between 6 - 7 riding? I think 21/21 is cool build, but I can't bear a thought of being too weak to equip flamberge and plate so I keep my 24/18

[Riddaren]

Do you see big difference between 6 - 7 riding? I think 21/21 is cool build, but I can't bear a thought of being too weak to equip flamberge and plate so I keep my 24/18

Yes, the difference between 6 and 7 is quite big. Specially if you are used to 7.
But the choice of agility and riding should match the horse you want to use.

27/12, rouncey
27/15, palfrey
24/18, courser
24/21, arabian warhorse, at level 35 with 8ps 7at 7ri 4wm.

[Leshma]

That doesn't make much sense. For example, Slav horse requires just 5 riding but you'll feel threatened by other cav constantly if you put just five points in riding. With 6 riding it feels much better and is actually playable.