Nerf couched lance

[Gravoth_iii]

Cav will always be the class that has the highest potential, with the mobility being simply way beyond anything else, combined with the highest damage and then a bump knockdown that can plow through an entire team. As much as i hate cav, there isnt many changes that can be made anymore without utterly destroying the class. Nothing is more boring than getting bumped or plain one shot killed by cav though. Only thing changeable to me is that horses are still insanely tanky, and it feels as if the damage dealt to a fullspeed rider isnt as high as what he will deal to you if you miss. Forcefield shields are silly, not sure if this can be fixed though.

Ive seen some good melee players do well, but then i also saw musashi get over 200 score on a map, which i dont think ive seen infantry get close to in quite a long time.. Its just the nature of the class i guess, im not sure if i want them nerfed yet.. i dont know shit about playing cav either because fuck that class i wouldnt play it if i were paid to, fuck bumps, fuck oneshots in the back, fuck teammate cav ruining my day.

[Leshma]

Ive seen some good melee players do well, but then i also saw musashi get over 200 score on a map, which i dont think ive seen infantry get close to in quite a long time..

Torben, Musashi, Riddaren, Oberyn when he isn't risking much. Pretty much any good cav can get those scores. Why is that? Because cRPG players are awful at countering cav. I only die to cav when they are too good at couching (Riddaren or Matthaus) or when they sneak up to me from behind (can't hear cav at all, every other sound in game is ten times louder than horse galloping). I rarely die from frontal attacks, doesn't matter which weapon I have. Most people die from frontal lance attacks because they are just bad at countering it.

Only cav I truly despise are friendly bastards who can't be arsed to watch where they are riding their horse. Enjoy reporting those bastards and of course, friendly ranged.

[Guray]

I think its already overnerfed. No need for nerf anymore(In my opinion it should get buffed.It was better back then when people got 1 hit. Couched lances were frightening.Now I personally dont even care anymore when there is a cav charging at me with couched lance. It's wrong..). I can make that score with Horse/Shield/Sword. Doesn't really prove anything.

Edit : As a one handed cav , I don't fear couched cavs , I generally put my shield up and take the hit to my shield while turning the side of my horse to make couched cav stop after hit. And either kill his horse or kill him. There are lots of ways to kill a couched cav. You can even chamber the couched lance with a dagger and stab him in the face. You may say its not possible but I have seen it and done it myself several times(The chamber I mean). So if u are a good player doesn't really matter what you got , You can use your skills to overcome the situation but if you are simply not good enough you can come to the forums and whine about it to make it less powerful so you can kill a couched cav or they cant kill you easily so you play longer.

[Gravoth_iii]

I think its already overnerfed. No need for nerf anymore(In my opinion it should get buffed.It was better back then when people got 1 hit. Couched lances were frightening.Now I personally dont even care anymore when there is a cav charging at me with couched lance. It's wrong..). I can make that score with Horse/Shield/Sword. Doesn't really prove anything.

Edit : As a one handed cav , I don't fear couched cavs , I generally put my shield up and take the hit to my shield while turning the side of my horse to make couched cav stop after hit. And either kill his horse or kill him. There are lots of ways to kill a couched cav. You can even chamber the couched lance with a dagger and stab him in the face. You may say its not possible but I have seen it and done it myself several times(The chamber I mean). So if u are a good player doesn't really matter what you got , You can use your skills to overcome the situation but if you are simply not good enough you can come to the forums and whine about it to make it less powerful so you can kill a couched cav or they cant kill you easily so you play longer.

You cant balance cav going by other cav specs, because cav in general is already insanely strong. You can chamber couches, rarely does it hit the horse though. And also couches are always aiming for anal penetaration, so going by skill, the cav could be just as skilled in avoiding aware opponents, and by that avoid almost all threats.

Definitely not overnerfed.

[Casimir]

Well it's probably because cavalry is supposed to be more powerful than anything else in battle, the mounted knight was the most powerful force on the medieval battlefield and there's good reason why the majority of western Europe structured its society around producing and supporting such a method of war.

[Gravoth_iii]

Well it's probably because cavalry is supposed to be more powerful than anything else in battle, the mounted knight was the most powerful force on the medieval battlefield and there's good reason why the majority of western Europe structured its society around producing and supporting such a method of war.

I used to think this, but over time ive started to hate games who have certain things that are just simply stronger than the other options. My ideal cav i think would be tanky horse, nearly constant onehitting but the rider would also get onehit nearly every time infantry lands a swing on him.

[Casimir]

Probably impossible in the game because i assume speed bonuses are part of the core code and i don't see any other way to effect something like that.

[Gravoth_iii]

Probably impossible in the game because i assume speed bonuses are part of the core code and i don't see any other way to effect something like that.

Indeed, which is probably why we get these horse nerfs instead.. they're kind of poor but i guess something has to be done and thats the only solution...

[Casimir]

Half a ton of angry frightened stallion with an equally angry frightened guy on the back charging at you would make anyone shit themselves.  I suggest we add this feature into cRPG before any nerfs to horse stats.

[Leshma]

Dunno why are we even discussing cav nerfs when ranged is the obvious issue. If cav were strong as some think they are, ranged would cry in tears because cavalry is counter for ranged.

OP is having issues with couched lance because he is STR build and avoiding couched lance is hard when you can't buzz around like bee on crack.

[Gravoth_iii]

Dunno why are we even discussing cav nerfs when ranged is the obvious issue. If cav were strong as some think they are, ranged would cry in tears because cavalry is counter for ranged.

OP is having issues with couched lance because he is STR build and avoiding couched lance is hard when you can't buzz around like bee on crack.

Ranged is generally weak except for the really good archers/xbowmen. Cav should counter ranged but it doesnt since horses cant tank many arrows, so instead of killing archers theyll just demolish infantry and win through that. Ranged counters cav, but cav can avoid everything if needed.

[Leshma]

Ranged is weak when there is up to five of them on 30 man server. When more than half the server is ranged, game is barely playable for melee.

[Casimir]

They're always bigger in person than I expect based on games.

Y'know how people are taller on average than they were back in medieval times? Wonder if it's the same for horses, or if they were similar size so proportionally bigger compared to people

Destriers and Courses are estimated to have been on average between 15 and 16 hands, so between 152.4 and 162.56 cm tall at their front 'shoulders'.  They were however of a wide gait and consideribly more muscular than modern horses of equivalent hight. Think of a draght horse that is the hight of a normal modern hunter.

[Gravoth_iii]

I dunno, feels like my team wins the less ranged it has as long as the infantry sticks together.

[Krave]

Cav should counter ranged but it doesnt since horses cant tank many arrows, so instead of killing archers theyll just demolish infantry and win through that.

True, I find less risky to charge melee ( even pole ) rather than ranged.