[Poll] Feedback on 2h stab.

[Leshma]

Now im not entirely sure about low shield skill shields, if their coverage is crap they need buffs, but i believe they are worth a point or two for decent coverage. I would also like to see them getting halved weight when worn on the back or more even, because that has been my biggest issue with bringing shields.

Shields are badly balanced imho, big round shields are OP compared to heater and square shields. For example, Plain Round Shield and 2 shield skill is the all protection against arrows/bolts you'll need. Change shield to Plain Kite Shield and you are fucked. That is why some short heater shields in native act like round shields (only have radius). Shield width is way more important than height. That makes cheaper Steel Buckler way better than expensive and better looking version.

Shield weight on back is hardcoded, can't be changed.

[Akavirius]

As far as i know there is quite a difference between seeing something and experiencing it yourself. You might watch some concert on youtube, but there is quite a difference between that and then actually being there when it happened. I supose you did not understand this.

Furthermore you don't have to play a class to see how it stacks up on the battlefield, it's quite clear if a class is dominating or not, regardless if you play it or not.

So you changed your mind? 

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As I said, I play many classes, hoplite-1h (Darth_Beggar), agi-polearm (15thTanit01), str-polearm (Shrek_is_Love), cav-polearm (Tanit), Dragoon 2h (Ritter_Dora), 1h-shield-thrower (HibouHibou), horse archer (Matilda), str archer (15thTanit), xbow shielder (15thTanit00), 1h-shielder cav (Ishak_Eques), and my new favorite class the short bow str polearmer (Tanit01) ;)

What classes do you play?

[Algarn]

I don't see how thats relevant to my post, but alright. Clearly you have only stated on the forum, since you clearly have no clue what condition ranged is in atm, it's incredibly strong. Also no nerfs to infantry classes? Seriously, you gotta be kidding.

I got no clue, not a fucking clue about how strong is ranged haha. Sure, sure. Ranged is how it should be now, even if it's too accurate, cav is alrightish. All I see is that lottery as I said, the nerf-buff cycle killed the mod.

He played 2h for 4 years, and switched to peolarm with scottish halberd when the patch came out. Thug life

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So you changed your mind? 

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As I said, I play many classes, hoplite-1h (Darth_Beggar), agi-polearm (15thTanit01), str-polearm (Shrek_is_Love), cav-polearm (Tanit), Dragoon 2h (Ritter_Dora), 1h-shield-thrower (HibouHibou), horse archer (Matilda), str archer (15thTanit), xbow shielder (15thTanit00), 1h-shielder cav (Ishak_Eques), and my new favorite class the short bow str polearmer (Tanit01) ;)

What classes do you play?

No i didn't, but you're clearly unable to understand what i mean by experiencing. Clearly my analogy was not enough for you to understand, but i can try to elaborate. When i said experiencing it, then i meant actually playing the game and feeling the impact that the different classes has on the server. I never said you actually need to play every single class to ''experience'' that, because i can certainly experience if an arrow hits my body quite often or not, and then how much dmg it does. This is supported by my second statement, and not contradicted, so you tried to find a contradicting where there were none.

If i go on with my analogy... I placed you in the crowd of the concert, not actually as the guy singing on the stage. This doesn't mean that you don't experience it, because clearly you would anyway.

I got no clue, not a fucking clue about how strong is ranged haha. Sure, sure. Ranged is how it should be now, even if it's too accurate, cav is alrightish. All I see is that lottery as I said, the nerf-buff cycle killed the mod.

He played 2h for 4 years, and switched to peolarm with scottish halberd when the patch came out. Thug life

Ranged should be like it is not? Completely dominant? I suppose you would love that. Try playing melee on eu_1, the gameplay is absolutely shit. It's the worst it has been in years.

Secondly, could you guys plz stop with your ignorant and dumb comments? Yeah, i went to another class with my main after 4 YEARS, 4 years where i had to endure a lot of nerfs. The other nerfs didn't take the fun out of the class, but this was the last straw, and it just completely killed the fun that you can have with the class, for me at least. Now to the ignorant part, i did not switch to a Scottish Halberd, do you even play the game anymore, or do you just creep around on the forum and make stuff up?

[Gravoth_iii]

No i didn't, but you're clearly unable to understand what i mean by experiencing. Clearly my analogy was not enough for you to understand, but i can try to elaborate. When i said experiencing it, then i meant actually playing the game and feeling the impact that the different classes has on the server. I never said you actually need to play every single class to ''experience'' that, because i can certainly experience if an arrow hits my body quite often or not, and then how much dmg it does. This is supported by my second statement, which you quoted, and not contradicted, so you tried to find a contradicting where there were none.

If i go on with my analogy... I placed you in the crowd of the concert, not actually as the guy singing on the stage. This doesn't mean that you don't experience it, because clearly you would anyway.

Actually playing the class is pretty important to know how strong the class really is. Unless its incredibly strong and basically anyone who picks it up will just score unusual amounts of kills, which isnt the case right now atleast, but has been in earlier stages of the game. While archers do deal quite a bit of damage now, they still seem to struggle with actually doing well overall.

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Actually playing the class is pretty important to know how strong the class really is. Unless its incredibly strong and basically anyone who picks it up will just score unusual amounts of kills, which isnt the case right now atleast, but has been in earlier stages of the game. While archers do deal quite a bit of damage now, they still seem to struggle with actually doing well overall.

You can easyli see how classes  stack up to each other without playing them, especially when you see your entire melee force hide behind a building waiting for flags every round on eu_1, because they are scared of the ranged.

[Jona]

Lol. Your argument gets weaker and weaker with each successive post. Go play archer before saying it is OP. Maybe all the best archers are all that's left in this dying mod, ever think of that? Any mediocre archer most likely left ages ago since they couldn't deal with the constant nerfs. Speaking of which, do go on and explain to us how you have had to endure countless nerfs in your 4 years of playing as a 2hander, I am quite curious as to how numerous and how impactful such nerfs were, since I cannot seem to recall all that many.

[Gravoth_iii]

You can easyli see how classes  stack up to each other without playing them, especially when you see your entire melee force hide behind a building waiting for flags every round on eu_1, because they are scared of the ranged.

I still dont fear archers that much, allthough i get punished for it sometimes, it still feels worth it to push for them. You may be hiding a lot, but atleast from recent experiences my team has been able to push successfully even against archers.

If you havent actually played archer, you should definitely try it if only for a while.

[Algarn]

I still dont fear archers that much, allthough i get punished for it sometimes, it still feels worth it to push for them. You may be hiding a lot, but atleast from recent experiences my team has been able to push successfully even against archers.

If you havent actually played archer, you should definitely try it if only for a while.

Why the hell would he experiment before he speaks about it ? His 4 years experience of one class are worth more than any experience.

[Tibe]

Furthremore i played 2h for 4 years, so cut your absolutely laughable crap with: ''I leave my class when it receives a single nerf''. I played the fucking class for 4 years, and it got a ton of nerfs during that timed and i stuck with it, so plz shut your ignorant and dumb mouth. Ontop of that, if you had any brain, then you would know i traded my french for a polearm, but i still have my SoW. And if you feel like there is no way you could have known that, then don't state that i sold my 2h inventory.

All classes have gotten tons of nerfs over the years, stop trying claim that you were resiliant and stongwilled. Absolutely every single class player went through them. The main question is, does the class still hold up compared to other classes after the nerfing. 2h may have gotten nerfs, but its overall effectiveness was barely ever harmed. This time its been harmed a little bit more. Is it useless now? Personally I dont think so. It still holds up very strong imo. But the stab does take some time to get used to, it feels extremely sketchy atm.

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All classes have gotten tons of nerfs over the years, stop trying claim that you were resiliant and stongwilled. Absolutely every single class player went through them. The main question is, does the class still hold up compared to other classes after the nerfing. 2h may have gotten nerfs, but its overall effectiveness was barely ever harmed. This time its been harmed a little bit more. Is it useless now? Personally I dont think so. It still holds up very strong imo. But the stab does take some time to get used to, it feels extremely sketchy atm.

I never stated that i was the only one resiliant? Did i? The others claimed i switched class the moment they touched my class, so i had to deal with the utter bullshit. Secondly, you seriously believe the 2h class is still very strong? Fuck off. 2h essentially lost an attack direction completely, and it was the strongest one it had.

I still dont fear archers that much, allthough i get punished for it sometimes, it still feels worth it to push for them. You may be hiding a lot, but atleast from recent experiences my team has been able to push successfully even against archers.

If you havent actually played archer, you should definitely try it if only for a while.

I have. If i ever venture out of a cover, then i will get 1 hit and die quite damn quickly.

Why the hell would he experiment before he speaks about it ? His 4 years experience of one class are worth more than any experience.

Are you retarded? I specifically said that i stuck with 2h on my MAIN for 4 years. I don't know about you, but it think you're allowed to have more than one character in c-rpg. Ever heard of something called STF and alts? I played a lot of classes on my alts.

[Tibe]

Its not very strong, its strong. I play 2h majority of the time. Im doing fine, so is everyone else i see using 2h. It may have lost a strong attack direction, but its true strenght always lied in its animations. And whats with the agressive undertone on your posts? Stop being shitty.

[Algarn]

Are you retarded? I specifically said that i stuck with 2h on my MAIN for 4 years. I don't know about you, but it think you're allowed to have more than one character in c-rpg. Ever heard of something called STF and alts? I played a lot of classes on my alts.

The fact you played 2h for years as your MAIN class, implies that you're biased as hell. I never did a melee gen on the other hand, but I'll be stuck with that impression of being hunted down by people wearing heavier armors, dodging my arrows and swings, and murdering me in two hits, regardlessly of my armor. I did try to play other classes, I had some good scores, but it didn't bring me the fun of playing a support role on the battlefield. While I was playing them, it did also bring me the experience of being shot, and how to make archers, and ranged in general, pay for these arrows. Your impression is being shot all the time by hundreds of archers, you'll quickly understand why I am so harsh with people that do not even play a few hours a class and scoring well/understanding strenghts and weaknesses. For example, I recently played horse archer, and I can say it came to a point it is alright for gameplay, neither too strong or too weak.

TLDR : Explore the two sides of a gameplay (the class itself and it's rival class). You'll stop dying in useless ways, and you'll also learn that 2h is still fucking strong, while archery, and cavalry aren't that overpowered, considering the risks/tradeoffs you experiment while playing these.

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Its not very strong, its strong. I play 2h majority of the time. Im doing fine, so is everyone else i see using 2h. It may have lost a strong attack direction, but its true strenght always lied in its animations. And whats with the agressive undertone on your posts? Stop being shitty.

Clearly we have not been on the same servers. It's ironic how you say the animations were its strenght, when that is exactly what was changed.

[Jambi]

Archery is overpowered.

Considered how weak it was when i gave a hoot about this mod.

Nowadays archery is easy mode, especially with the amount of builds possible for it.

Dont need much skill, cause mechanics do the work for you.