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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #90 on: February 10, 2015, 02:07:33 pm »
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On my way of being a commie  :lol:

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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #91 on: February 10, 2015, 03:58:32 pm »
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What's the deal with German bikers? Non violent, middle aged group of fatties living their childhood dreams or something?  Always laugh my ass off when I see bikers from Germany.
Maybe they just like riding motorbikes? :shock:
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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #92 on: February 10, 2015, 04:28:57 pm »
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Yeah, like bodybuilders go to the gym because they like lifting weights. You can buy 3 Harleys from the Greek money, but that doesn't mean you are badass like Jax from SoA.

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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #93 on: February 10, 2015, 05:05:02 pm »
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Is today a special day that you post out of your ass stuff that simply doesn't make sense?
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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #94 on: February 16, 2015, 09:57:42 pm »
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or this: http://www.lerpesse.com/la-grece-demande-a-rejoindre-la-ligue-arabe
"in prevision of being kicked out of EU, Greece asked to join the arab league"  :lol:
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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #95 on: February 17, 2015, 12:06:06 am »
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This day was sad, until I read that  :lol:

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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #96 on: February 17, 2015, 08:47:30 am »
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mmh... just imagine kissing those sexy lips of Merkel... mmh... RAWR!
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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #97 on: February 18, 2015, 12:01:03 am »
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Honestly it would make so much more sense if reversed.

On topic, Siriza very predictably promised Greeks stuff they are now unable to obtain. Panos went one step too far right and ended up on the other side. Algarn derps about the glorious frog nation and the shackles of european oppression.

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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #98 on: February 18, 2015, 12:15:45 am »
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You summed it up, but being idealist about what the frog nation should be, and Europe more generally, isn't forbidden yet. Let me dream alone of an Europe being more social than now, I'm not an harmful mad man.

On paper, Europe seemed to be the best solution to have a decent European economy, while also keeping some equality and social progress on. But it ended up being what it is now : a bipolar European Union, divided by the economic crisis into North Europe and South Europe, the second being poorer than ever, which wasn't the case before the austerity policies. You can't deny that.
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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #99 on: February 18, 2015, 01:24:22 am »
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On topic, Siriza very predictably promised Greeks stuff they are now unable to obtain.
hahaha maybe a little too quick to judge, ofc they wont obtain all they want after 2 months.

Anyway, as someone from outside Europe (and that must vote from time to time if we want to enter it), Siriza gave me some faith in Europe (not enough to be entering yet tho).
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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #100 on: February 19, 2015, 11:56:07 pm »
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You summed it up, but being idealist about what the frog nation should be, and Europe more generally, isn't forbidden yet. Let me dream alone of an Europe being more social than now, I'm not an harmful mad man.

You are entitled to your own misinformed opinion. That doesn't mean it's not harmful. There's a difference between the validity of a goal and the validity of the strategy applied to reach it. In democracy it is extremely easy to find goals. Anybody on the streets can tell you about things that don't work right. Few of them however are even capable of conceiving a scheme to fix things. It's very good to dream about equality, it is however very bad to enforce it, see 20th century for details. Ideology is the cancer of the mind. Refusing to acknowledge the complexity of economics is so easy when you can blame the bankers instead.

On paper, Europe seemed to be the best solution to have a decent European economy, while also keeping some equality and social progress on.

It's evident that a return to nationalistic economic policies is just about the worst thing that can possibly happen.

But it ended up being what it is now : a bipolar European Union, divided by the economic crisis into North Europe and South Europe, the second being poorer than ever, which wasn't the case before the austerity policies. You can't deny that.

Actually I can. The countries currently in deep shit were ruined by decades of populism. Now it's time to pay the bills and all Greeks are more or less responsible. Harsh but true, that's just how democracy works, you can't blame the King. Is paying everything back really the solution? Perhaps not. Argentina defaulted several times but now of course they can't get loans anymore.

hahaha maybe a little too quick to judge, ofc they wont obtain all they want after 2 months.

They promised things they won't obtain, ever.

Anyway, as someone from outside Europe (and that must vote from time to time if we want to enter it), Siriza gave me some faith in Europe (not enough to be entering yet tho).

Have faith, people can transition from apathy to desperation.

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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #101 on: February 20, 2015, 12:17:19 am »
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Basically, in european union, we share the money mostly, but not the debts, or anything like that. Enforcing equality is actually not that much of a good thing (studied totalitarisms, USRR was one of them obviously), but having more wealth redistribution seems more legit to me than the current system (1% of people owning more than 99% remaining is just wrong to me). Creating a federal Europe, with an unique debt, more wealth redistribution, clear foreign policies, etc...  and more generally making interests go into the same direction would maybe not solve every problem, but would help at least. If any state/country like France had as much power as Latvia for example into a new voting system, wouldn't it be favorable to the majority ? Making a real union to be independant more or less from other powers in the world (China, USA) instead of eating each others into interests conflicts (people don't want to pay for other countries, but they would probably pay for their country if they had their hope in it tho) should be pretty much more suitable to place the Union into a position of general wealth an social equality. Unfortunately, it can't happen, people are too reticent about making this kind of stuff, since they fear to lose their "national sovereignty".


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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #102 on: February 20, 2015, 01:28:30 am »
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Nationalism will have to give way when the cold reality comes in that most European nations are, in the grand scheme of things, very small and have very little to offer the world on their own.
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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2015, 12:15:46 am »
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Re: why so ΣΥΡΙΖΑ
« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2015, 06:21:26 pm »
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Nationalism will have to give way when the cold reality comes in that most European nations are, in the grand scheme of things, very small and have very little to offer the world on their own.

European integration isn't the last step, but I suppose the rest of it is not going to happen during my lifetime. One marketplace and one pool of resources can only collapse or end up with one centralized management. Any other outcome would require unworldly discipline, peacefulness and altruism.