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[Christo]

no! ))

[Leshma]

Valve's economist is Greece's new finance minister

[Christo]

So, wait until sale?

[IR_Kuoin]

So, wait until sale?

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[Swaggart]

Getting out of the Euro Zone would only mess up things more than ever.

Debatable. Greece's economy will never be competitive as long as it is Eurozone. The question for Greeks is either stay in the Eurozone, and experience a decade (if not decades) of stagnation, or exit the Euro and suffer through several years of serious hardship, but eventually have an economy tied around a devalued currency that would be far more competitive in Europe.

[Andswaru]

Fuck a sale, I want hats. Greek hats.

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[Kafein]

I await the next claim that greek peninsular has always been considered part of the Russian nation.

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Russian_events#The_Russian_Orthodox_Church_Declares_Independence

Too bad I couldn't find a picture of the event. If you say no you get claims on all Byz provinces. It's literally what you are saying.

Just to clarify there is nothing radical about Syriza, its just because all other parties even centre left like Labour in UK are now right wing. Go back 30 years and they would just be a normal party with the same values and beliefs as all the other social democrats, don't feed off the neo-liberal capitlist beloney. Things can be different, we dont need to feed the top 1% to survive and have a working economy. Do as Brokar suggested and get reading Piketty's book, everyone should read that to understand the problems with such wealth inequality...

tldr: if you are a good historian you will know to place Syriza into a historical context then suddenly they are not so scary lol

Inequality has been largely created by regulations aimed at increasing the control of the state over the economy which almost always end up not helping the majority. Hell is paved with good intentions. Add to that the pseudo-liberal privatization of services such as gaz, electricity and water. If you are a good historian you will know to place Syriza into the historical context of a ruined country under exterior financial pressure with a population increasingly resentful of that exterior pressure. It's not a detail that Greeks call what they are going through an "humiliation". If that doesn't sound oddly familiar to you, you are not a very good historian.

Debatable. Greece's economy will never be competitive as long as it is Eurozone. The question for Greeks is either stay in the Eurozone, and experience a decade (if not decades) of stagnation, or exit the Euro and suffer through several years of serious hardship, but eventually have an economy tied around a devalued currency that would be far more competitive in Europe.

1934 called, they said to enjoy your devaluated AIDS.

[lombardsoup]

Debatable. Greece's economy will never be competitive as long as it is Eurozone. The question for Greeks is either stay in the Eurozone, and experience a decade (if not decades) of stagnation, or exit the Euro and suffer through several years of serious hardship, but eventually have an economy tied around a devalued currency that would be far more competitive in Europe.

There's no way Greece will be allowed to exit with debt this large.

[Beauchamp]

based on one year of my life i spent in athens and based on the fact that experience is not transferable (aka experience with communism), i'm afraid greeks will go on to live their communistic dream they so much want (and deserve) - hopefully and probably without being part of the eu.

i'll be happy to welcome them piss poor back in europe after a few decades of poverty and bloodshed. at that time i will give my grandsons some pocket money so they can buy themselves a few villas on crete.

[Beauchamp]

There's no way Greece will be allowed to exit with debt this large.

lol why, they just leave and call a bankrupt (something they should have done 5 years ago, unluckily they didn't do it so we all in eu had to pay for stupid french and german banks). fuck merkel, fuck french, fuck greeks...

[ecorcheur_brokar]

Inequality has been largely created by regulations aimed at increasing the control of the state over the economy which almost always end up not helping the majority. Hell is paved with good intentions. Add to that the pseudo-liberal privatization of services such as gaz, electricity and water. If you are a good historian you will know to place Syriza into the historical context of a ruined country under exterior financial pressure with a population increasingly resentful of that exterior pressure. It's not a detail that Greeks call what they are going through an "humiliation". If that doesn't sound oddly familiar to you, you are not a very good historian.

I dont think progressiv imposition unless you're part of the 1% most rich has been made with the best intention (or maybe best intention for some pockets).

And about history repeating itself... when nothing you have been doing for the past year has been working, you have to try something different. But i don't think that just because you have the same starting conditions, you'll necessarily end up the exact same way.

[Andswaru]

If you take the example of Argentina who defaulted 12 years, you see they recovered quickly inside 6 years they had re-reached their economic peak so to say, without a mountian of debt (i mean exchanging a 100 euro debt bond for a 25 euro debt bond is preety nice). I think if Greece had known what they know today 6 years ago they would of said fuck you and defaulted and at least tried to escape the mess they find themselves in today.

[Vovka]

based on one year of my life i spent in athens and based on the fact that experience is not transferable (aka experience with communism), i'm afraid greeks will go on to live their communistic dream they so much want (and deserve) - hopefully and probably without being part of the eu.
i'll be happy to welcome them piss poor back in europe after a few decades of poverty and bloodshed. at that time i will give my grandsons some pocket money so they can buy themselves a few villas on crete.

Perhaps soon in Greece will be the gas hub connecting Russia-Turkey-Greece-Europe, also in the case of a Greece exit from the European Union they may get support from their brothers Chinese Communists who need more and more food. And even if Germany do not care, America for sure is not interested in such a scenario )
 

[FleetFox]

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Russian_events#The_Russian_Orthodox_Church_Declares_Independence

Too bad I couldn't find a picture of the event. If you say no you get claims on all Byz provinces. It's literally what you are saying.

Inequality has been largely created by regulations aimed at increasing the control of the state over the economy which almost always end up not helping the majority. Hell is paved with good intentions. Add to that the pseudo-liberal privatization of services such as gaz, electricity and water. If you are a good historian you will know to place Syriza into the historical context of a ruined country under exterior financial pressure with a population increasingly resentful of that exterior pressure. It's not a detail that Greeks call what they are going through an "humiliation". If that doesn't sound oddly familiar to you, you are not a very good historian.

1934 called, they said to enjoy your devaluated AIDS

Jeez Kafein enough with the put downs already... Back to your point you need regulation, if it wasn't for some regulation of the banks in 2007 we would have been fucked even more. Regulation is not the enemy, but it's pretty clear you are a neo-liberal yourself so that will never change, you've already bought in to the system with the media behind you. And lets be honest here, the reason inequality is on the rise, is because a) tax breaks for the rich because you know as we have seen trickle down economics really does work and the poorest 20% are doing so well off it (insert sarcasm). B) So much money is lost to states thanks to tax havens and their scumbag tax avoiding businesses etc. We are talking billions, I could get the actual figure if you want, its fucking big. All that money could be used to invest in public infrastructure where it needs to be.

Please don't start comparing this to what happened in Germany, if anything that's quite insulting for Tsipras and Syriza 

[Panos_]

I'd like to hear Panos on this. Honestly, I do. No trolling or calling out, just honestly wondering what he makes of all of this.

First of all we need to clear out that Syriza is not a communist party, most of the elected senators come from PASOK, which was a center/left party.

Tsipras is a clown, he claims that he is a communist, and at the same time he wears Lacoste and Burberry 


I`m indifferent towards them, I`m happy that Golden Dawn is the third political party, especially after all the jailing and other things that happened to them, I also think that the debt should be paid, but in humane conditions for the Greeks.

In general only time will tell, I cross my fingers and hope for the best.