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[ecorcheur_brokar]

Surprise? Countries with biggest populations has most prisoners. (Cept China but instead all criminals starve to death/get executed).

The scale is "Prison Population per 100,000 people".

For those who thinks "gideon's army" is TL:TW. In short:
First point of the film:
-The justice procedure is so expensive that for poor people, it is preferable to plead guilty even if they're not. And because of the system where if you re proved guilty and you didn't plead guilty at the start, you'll get crazy sentence, people plead guilty just by fear even when they're not.
Second point (actually, i don't know if it was in the film or during the interview of the director):
-As police puts more pressure on minorities and poor neighboorhood. And that, they have terrible condamnation for ridiculous infraction like breaking window. It is a ggod way, to put the minorities in prison.

For exemple, you should probably be able to find weed on white teenagers but police just doesnt search in their pocket so they dont arrest them but they will arrest a lot of blacks because they have also weed and get searched more often.

[Tibe]

Well there is logic behind it. Im just saying..... Poor neighbourhoods are generally places where brutal violence takes place. A lot of drugs are produced in these areas aswell btw, cause the people need the money and are willing to risk it. Obviously the police is more present in the area where more crime is present. Why the hell would it spend its resource in a whitebread suburb where there hasnt been a break-in or murder in 5 years? Its common logic, its not racism or some special systemorder. I dont think ghettos exsist because the racist classpolice came, beat up the hard working people of the area for nothing and took all their money. Thats, really dont think thats how it works.

[ecorcheur_brokar]

I don't think that's how it work either. But neither do I think that the justice system and the police are helping or making the situation better in the ghetto. Because when you bring people down (by closing their buisness, making them pay enormous fine) for stupid minor infregment, you're not helping them to go out of the street, on the opposite, you're pushing those who were on the line in the street.

But of course, for murder the police should interviene, I'm not talking about that. You should really watch this documentary to know what I'm talking about. It is less leftish than the way I'm talking, it's simply expose things the way they are.

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"イランの旅も残り半分となったところで、「世界の半分」と呼ばれる美しい町、イスファハーンから高速バスで16時間行ったところにある、聖地マシュハドへと向かうことに。長旅に備えて何か食べようと思い、バス停付近のカフェに入ったものの、メニューはすべてペルシャ語。何が書いてあるのか全く分からなかった。

僕が迷っていると、こぎれいな格好をした男性が流暢な英語でメニューを端から端まで教えてくれた。注文まで代わりにしてくれ、ご飯を食べながらしばらく談笑していると、彼の奥さんと娘さんがやってきた。彼らはこの日、テヘランへと向かうそうだ。

「そろそろバスの時間だ。またどこかで会えるといいね」

一緒に席を立ち、レジで清算を済ませようとしたら、「もう払ってあるよ」と店員のお兄さんが言う。なんと、僕の分まで払ってくれていたのだ。

慌てて「払うよ」と財布を取り出そうとしたが、彼はそれを制してこう言った。

「今、この国のゲストは君なんだ。イランを楽しんでくれ」

あまりにも自然に出てきた言葉にあっけにとられ、彼らが去って行く後ろ姿を見送ることしかできなかった。ただ、彼の言葉だけが、僕の心にずっと残っていた。"

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[LordBerenger]

Also Australia is wrong. Everyone is a prisoner there since Australia itself is a prison.

[Tibe]

I don't think that's how it work either. But neither do I think that the justice system and the police are helping or making the situation better in the ghetto. Because when you bring people down (by closing their buisness, making them pay enormous fine) for stupid minor infregment, you're not helping them to go out of the street, on the opposite, you're pushing those who were on the line in the street.

Ye, and if you do the opposite theres criminals roaming around everywhere. Petty crimes might seem like petty crimes to you, but they are a really serius issue, if not dealt with properly. My country used to take petty crimes lightly aswell. Things like drunk drivers, bribing, constant break-ins to just about everything you owned was a norm. You got very little jail sentence or none at all for doing all that. What you are talking about is things like taxevasion and buisness owning, which is more of a white collar issue. Most people in jail in US have never been buisness owners or "minor infregment" offenders.  But stuff like drug possession etc. People who are on the streets from birth, are the majority on inmates in US, not people that were pushed there from their cosy lives. So the problem lies elswhere.

Not everyone can be Nordic and provide their inmates better lives than most countries average citizens.

[Kafein]

This doesnt prove shit. Like Vibe said, in quite few of these countries, being more red in this map would be an actual improvement. I highly doubt that the fact that the republic of Kongo being green and Norway being yellow, means that Kongo is inevitably a better country. Since when did not putting people behind bars become a standard for success? Id understand if we counted political prisoners per country, that measures fredum at some degree. Also some countries unfortunately drawn more powerful crimesyndicates than some others.

The map doesn't really express how retarded the US system really is. The point about mental institutions is completely correct, people do not get mental treatment and go to jail instead. The point about prison for drug "offenses" is correct as well, it puts a shitload of mostly harmless individuals in prisons where they cost a lot of money and produce zero value. Then you have the point about privatization which is really the worst of all.

Sending people in prison is a failure to treat them in a more adapted (and less costly!) way. Of course people that represent a danger need to be locked up, but that is already being done in every civilized country, the US being not that great in that department.

Going after small crimes with mandatory prison sentences is the typical populist bullshit. It merely appeals to the general disgust towards petty criminals without any basis in rationality. Prison is the most costly punishment, and the best way to avoid that cost is to put only the people who need it in prison, not to reduce the cost of prison and especially not to create powerful lobbies whose interest lies against the interests of society at large. In many other countries, the lack of will to modernize the punishment system is one of the causes of over-population in prisons, which ends up causing the judges to stop issuing prison sentences for small crimes. It's precisely the use of prisons that is an obstacle to creating a more lawful environment. When alternative systems exist and work perfectly well, that's a shame.

[Xant]

In a country ruled by me, there'd be no prisons. The cost of a criminal to the state would be approximately 15 cents.

[ecorcheur_brokar]

What you are talking about is things like taxevasion and buisness owning, which is more of a white collar issue. Most people in jail in US have never been buisness owners or "minor infregment" offenders.  But stuff like drug possession etc. People who are on the streets from birth, are the majority on inmates in US, not people that were pushed there from their cosy lives. So the problem lies elswhere.

No, I was talking about "the poor middle class" (the way it only exists in anglo-saxon country), people who own like tabacco shop, cleaning lady, etc. That also get problem with polices because of the arrassement of the minorities (everybody does minor infregments,so when police is focusing you, you end up getting caught once). And as the punishment for any infregment is so harsch in US, it makes you unable to go back to back to society after your punishment.

I think that the fact that the justice system makes people unable to reenter the society is the major problem in US. That's why US gets one of the biggest amount of recidivism. Because they only think about punishment and not about reinsertion.

Not everyone can be Nordic and provide their inmates better lives than most countries average citizens.

The point is that nordic focus on reinsertion so they have the lowest amount of recidivism in the world so in the end their prison system doesnt cost more than other country.
Also they care a lot about the youth so less of them are taking a bad path. (and youth taking the wrong path is ofc one of the major cause of prison filling)

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[The_Bloody_Nine]

In a country ruled by me

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[LordBerenger]

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Inb4 Panos comes and rapes ur ass

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[Siiem]

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Glorious Norway.

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[WITCHCRAFT]

In a country ruled by me,

oh lordy please no