Satiric newspaper attacked in France

[Xant]

GIGN was at the other scene.
surrounding the 2 fanatics brothers.

Here, it's the RAID & BRI.
And as always you speak without knowing what happened...
The main entrance was blocked with shop materials (he had many hours for doing it) and also with the 3 bodies already killed when he entered in the shop for the first time.
This is why you see the line of cops not moving because they couldn't advance.
And because they couldn't advance, they had to pull the fire on them by threatening him with heavy fire. Because the risk was that he start to kill hostages.

And yet that only explains one of the thousand things wrong with the scenario.

And if it was so blocked, then how come they are able to enter after a while without doing any clearing? The hostages also run out almost immediately.

[pepejul]

What's wrong ? No hostage killed by police... look how US cops shot 250 times a guy with a knife and teach us how to do....

[Admerius]

PC history WW2 - regarding practitioners of chocolate chip cookie ideology

chocolate chip cookies are people too!
Don't judge them all by the worst of them.
Most of them were just like us, just wanting a prosperous peaceful life while feeling
safe.

Did you know that chocolate chip cookie mothers loved their babies too!?
So don't use the term chocolate chip cookie as something evil, there is a spectrum chocolate chip cookies out there.
Some of them are evil murderes and psychos for sure but don't generalize!
Actually a true chocolate chip cookie sees the purity of the chocolate chip cookie people as a spiritual struggle
against the animliastic urges inside each and everyone of us, the antisemitism is
actually a missinterpretation of a metaphor for blind egotistical greed.
So please do not warmonger against our dear chocolate chip cookie brothers and sisters they are just
choosing a different narrative to express their existensial angst.

So whatever you do don't take the worst of them and generalize their actions to the whole group, that's just narrowminded and you are doing them a service by doing that. Some of them really are murderous psychos, but those exist everywhere anyway, so don't overgeneralize!

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Godwins law=Intentional fail ;)

[Herezy92]

And yet that only explains one of the thousand things wrong with the scenario.

They also had to move/start the action because on the other scene (Dammartin), the 2 brothers went out and started a "surprise" attack against the GIGN.

And because the terrorist in shop said that if something happen to the brothers, he will start killing his hostages.

Maybe it's looking shit and not professional, but even with this hard situation they managed to not kill any of the 15-18 hostages inside.

EDIT : sidenote :
Dammartin :
1 GIGN lightly wounded.
Paris :
2 RAID wounded in the feet/leg.
1 BRI wounded in the feet.

None of them has his life in danger.

[Xant]

They also had to move/start the action because on the other scene (Dammartin), the 2 brothers went out and started a "surprise" attack against the GIGN.

And because the terrorist in shop said that if something happen to the brothers, he will start killing his hostages.

Maybe it's looking shit and not professional, but even with this hard situation they managed to not kill any of the 15-18 hostages inside.

EDIT : sidenote :
Dammartin :
1 GIGN lightly wounded.
Paris :
2 RAID wounded in the feet/leg.
1 BRI wounded in the feet.

None of them has his life in danger.

I wonder what in "this hard situation" demanded that they form a blob of 50 guys around one door and shoot over each other's shoulders. Just because they got lucky with the fact that the terrorists didn't want to kill "civilians" and were poorly trained doesn't make it a "good job."

[pepejul]

I live in Marseille... the first "arabic" country in France... half of my friends or workmates are immigrants or from immigrant famillies.... Everything is French even they don't have same color, same religion or same culture...

PPle who fears differences and just weeding with cousins are degenerative pple for me...

One color isn't a rainbow... rainbow is more beautiful than only blue sky !

I hope next generation will be mixed until we can't say he's black, brown, jew, muslim or anythog else... just brothers humans...

I forgot : KILL THE VEGANS FIRST ! THEY ARE NOT HUMAN !!!!

[Herezy92]

I wonder what in "this hard situation" demanded that they form a blob of 50 guys around one door and shoot over each other's shoulders. Just because they got lucky with the fact that the terrorists didn't want to kill "civilians" and were poorly trained doesn't make it a "good job."

I'm sure the almighty Xant knows everything about what the terrorist wanted & did inside.
You would have done MUCH better, i'm sure of it.
Excuse me Ô Xant, i forgot that it was useless to speak with you.
My bad.
See you, you and your non-sense & "perfect/oneway" ideas.

[Xant]

I'm sure the almighty Xant knows everything about what the terrorist wanted & did inside.
You would have done MUCH better, i'm sure of it.
Excuse me Ô Xant, i forgot that it was useless to speak with you.
My bad.
See you, you and your non-sense & "perfect/oneway" ideas.

Heskey just posted about what one of the hostages said. And what they apparently said was that they don't kill civilians, and they considered the hostages civilians.
Even without that information, it's very clear that the police assault was nowhere near fast or violent enough to stop the T's from taking out hostages if they'd wanted.

What those "special operators" did went against every military CQB doctrine ever, as well as simple hostage rescue rules like not letting the hostages run in the midst of all your operators unsupervised before they're checked. They literally blobbed around the door way, instead of stacking. There were like a ten guys who fired when they shouldn't have. There were way too many of them, and they were blocking each other. Et cetera.

I would indeed have done much, much better. Pretty much any infantry squad would have done much better. The US is full of veterans who have had to do similar enter-and-clears without the advantage of planning, like in the battle of Fallujah.

Some more elite action:

[pepejul]

UK army is better !

[Leshma]

Western Europe could learn a thing or two from Israel, when it comes to dealing with muslim terrorists.

[pepejul]

Bombing innocent ? So good advice.... they should bomb Paris to kill all Muslims there !

bah !

[LordBerenger]

Western Europe could learn a thing or two from Israel, when it comes to dealing with muslim terrorists.

Well...Israel learned from western europe so...i guess western europe forgot that.

Brb moving to Canada. Hítler has apparently come back to life and rallied the nazís in Europe.

[Tibe]

PPle who fears differences and just weeding with cousins are degenerative pple for me...

They fear differences that seem dangerous. I dont think anyone is frightened by the fact that someone bakes different looking bread or that their letters look different. How isnt the thought of fanatic religious nutbags scary? The main reason why people are scared is that when they look at muslim societies, they imagine the poverty, the injust persecution, the violent religious/cultural dedication and than they imagine their country turning into same thing.

I dont think you really understand why the people are scared. It has nothing to do with their skincolor. It has everything to do with how they think and how horribly, majority of their societies are run.

[Algarn]

Western Europe could learn a thing or two from Israel, when it comes to dealing with muslim terrorists, then shooting kids and civilians on side.

Fixed.

Don't praise murderers.

[Kafein]

Western Europe could learn a thing or two from Israel, when it comes to dealing with muslim terrorists.

That's the crux of the issue though, isn't it? I wouldn't want to live in Israel. Not because it's not as safe as here, but because it's a plainly racist state. In his last speech, Hollande used a word I haven't heard on TV for several years : pluralism. Boy how happy I was to hear that.