Any good mod for Fallout 3 ?

[Nightmare798]

but that nuke did not have ANY real consequences.

Apart from the fact a town with vendors and quest givers was blown the fuck up huh?

FO3 completely Shat-on the lore of the game. NV restored it.

Lore is about survivors living in a fucking anti nuke bunker. I dont see how FO3 messed up the lore...

Dull desert wasteland? lol, in Fallout 1+2, besides the towns, THE ENTIRE FUCKING MAP WAS A BARREN FLAT WASTELAND OF NOTHING.

Those games have also been released somewhere around 2000's. there are obvious system limitations genius.

Fallout NV lets you be a evil bastard right from the get-go and actually gives a logical reason for you doing so.

Gee, apart from the ending, in which you can pull a sacrifice troll of epic proportions, the game totally prevented you from acting like a total asshole...

NV stayed true to the originals (you know, Fallout 1 n 2, considered by most to be the greatest RPGs of all time?)

*Yawn* this shit again? give it a rest willya? There was a time when was FF7 praised as the best RPG ever. Honestly, have someone who doesnt know those two games play them today. I bet my ass they will not tell you it is the best RPG ever even if you begged them to say that. Again, nostalgia goggles much?

[Angantyr]

Statement that brotherhood vs mutants is like paladins vs orks can be fit practically on any fantasy clash of different species.

I just don't buy into the good vs evil bs anymore. The world is much more complex and I look for it in the movies, TV series, games and books I consume. That's a matter of preference, I agree, but bad combat mechanics and lazy and bland dialogue and storyline in FO3 just isn't. It's not a bad game though, as I said I played it for years, but I would never touch it again, and even then it was a big disappointment for any fans of the series.

[Nightmare798]

"blinded by your preference......"? 

Are you being a cunt and stating "you are wrong!" in hopes that you dont have to explain the exact reason why or are you being philosophical here and stating that we are all blinded by our preferences and nobody is right?

I want to point out, that compared to FO3, NV was not that much better, and it actually brought a heap of problems on its own. I dont want to sound like I want to put up an easy solution to this argument to look look like all knowing smart ass, but in the end, it really depends on which one you like better. This argument stemed from the fact I have dared to insult the monotonous environment of NV, along with its atrocious performance on a system far beyond its recomended settings of the all mighty NV, which seems to had infuriated NV fanboys so much they immediatelly rushed to go all crusadey on my ass.

[Nightmare798]

I just don't buy into the good vs evil bs anymore. The world is much more complex and I look for it in the movies, TV series, games and books I consume. That's a matter of preference, I agree, but bad combat mechanics and lazy and bland dialogue and storyline in FO3 just isn't. It's not a bad game though, as I said I played it for years, but I would never touch it again, and even then it was a big disappointment for any fans of the series.

You played it for years, and call it a dissapointment? I do not quite follow honestly....

EDIT: goddammit DP'ed again, sorry guys, shift sleep schedule switching is a tedium, please try to understand.

[Clockworkkiller]

Apart from the fact a town with vendors and quest givers was blown the fuck up huh?
yea, but then you gain access to anothwer town that functions the exact same exempt for a re-skin to make it look even more retarded. and yes, it didnt have any consequences, if you blow it up. nobody fucking cares, people act like it never happened!

Lore is about survivors living in a fucking anti nuke bunker. I dont see how FO3 messed up the lore...
turning BoS into shining white heroes. making super mutants fucking lame. the fact how despite after 200 years, DC still looks like it was bombed yesterday. little lamplight or whatever the cave with the children in it. yea how the hell were only children living there for 200 years acting like the bombs dropped days ago, like i said, i could go on....

Gee, apart from the ending, in which you can pull a sacrifice troll of epic proportions, the game totally prevented you from acting like a total asshole...
 gee, 1 totally minute part of a shitty ending. hell even that part was lame, why not send your supermutant pal in there to safely do it. nope, THAT WOULD BE TOO LOGICAL@

*Yawn* this shit again? give it a rest willya? There was a time when was FF7 praised as the best RPG ever. Honestly, have someone who doesnt know those two games play them today. I bet my ass they will not tell you it is the best RPG ever even if you begged them to say that. Again, nostalgia goggles much? bullshit, plenty of people these days have gone back and played the orginials, and find them to be fun.

but hey, what do i know...

[Angantyr]

I've seen a lot of these discussions and from what I can tell people who like FO3 most usually have either of these arguments shaping their opinion:

1. It was the first Fallout game they played, so it feels more natural to them than FNV.

2. They just like the setting more (and haven't tried the FNV expansions).

3. They are casual gamers, non-rpg gamers or just don't like to read a lot of dialogue and interact with NPCs besides killing stuff.

4. It had been too long since they played FO3 when they tried FNV, and couldn't compare them fairly.

Most people seem to fall into the first and second categories.

You played it for years, and call it a dissapointment? I do not quite follow honestly....

EDIT: goddammit DP'ed again, sorry guys, shift sleep schedule switching is a tedium, please try to understand.

Ha ha, I fully understand. And yes, it can be better than nothing when you've just played FO1 and 2 too many times and still be disappointing in comparison.

[Nightmare798]

but hey, what do i know...

if you blow it up. nobody fucking cares, people act like it never happened!

I cant really remember anyone caring about that town legion burned down either. Speaking of legion, you dont take them as an offence to the lore? DC looked like it was bombed yester day. HELLO! THEY WERE USING NUKES! It doesnt take a genius to realize that even after 200 years, the city would look like it looks.

. little lamplight or whatever the cave with the children in it. yea how the hell were only children living there for 200 years acting like the bombs dropped days ago

Because the kids could totally not not get into that cave few moths before your character arrives there huh? I mean come on clockwork, if I, after staying awake for 30 hours straight now can come with better logical rasoning than you, there is something terribly aloof with your brain there.

why not send your supermutant pal in there to safely do it. nope, THAT WOULD BE TOO LOGICAL

Blame bethesda for being money grubbing jews and releasing that as a dlc.

[Clockworkkiller]

I cant really remember anyone caring about that town legion burned down either. Speaking of legion, you dont take them as an offence to the lore? DC looked like it was bombed yester day. HELLO! THEY WERE USING NUKES! It doesnt take a genius to realize that even after 200 years, the city would look like it looks.
legion where set to appear in van buren, the cancelled third game from interplay. as for DC bein nuked, people should have already started to rebuild by 200 years.

Because the kids could totally not not get into that cave few moths before your character arrives there huh? I mean come on clockwork, if I, after staying awake for 30 hours straight now can come with better logical rasoning than you, there is something terribly aloof with your brain there. because ingame the kids say they've been there since 2077, and talk like the bombs dropped recently. Besides, how the fuck could a buch of little kids, most of whom could barely hold a gun. Survive on there own like that, especially considering they live right next to a vault filled with mutants?

Blame bethesda for being money grubbing jews and releasing that as a dlc.

[Vexus]

I've seen a lot of these discussions and from what I can tell people who like FO3 most usually have either of these arguments shaping their opinion:

1. It was the first Fallout game they played, so it feels more natural to them than FNV.

2. They just like the setting more (and haven't tried the FNV expansions).

3. They are casual gamers, non-rpg gamers or just don't like to read a lot of dialogue and interact with NPC besides killing stuff.

4. It had been too long since they played FO3 when they tried FNV, and couldn't compare them fairly.

Most people seem to fall into the first and second categories.

Ha ha, I fully understand. And yes, it can be better than nothing when you've just played FO1 and 2 too many times and still be disappointing in comparison.

You forgot 1 major point at least for me.

5. Fallout 3 at least let's you explore almost all the map with nothing hidden.

NV has invisible walls every corner with entire buildings blocked and unaccessible! That is my biggest gripe with the game. Me coming from elder scroll games I want exploration, not invisible walls and unaccessible places that looked interesting but sadly you can't even get close to them.

Points 3-4 have nothing to do with Fallout 3 vs NV you are just nagging for the heck of it.

[Tibe]

NV has inaccessable walls? Are u fo reals? FO3 had an assloads of them and they bothered the heck out of me even more than they ever did in NV. I was always pissed off as hell whenever I was hanging around inside the capital. The whole central city is basically a strict corridor, where rubble sticked absolutely everywhere limiting movement and thereby limiting exploration significantly. Area around DC was okay, inside DC i felt super claustrophobic. That why I praised the desert environment with open arms when NV came out.

[Vexus]

Towns are small sure but I'm talking about the world. I don't give a rat's ass on how big a town is when exploring outside town.

I found a lot of buildings blocked in NV by some small cliffs you can't jump onto because of some invisible wall.

[Angantyr]

I agree invisible walls are just a bad way to do it, but there are few in FNV, very few, you must really have been unlucky. In general FO3 is a lot more restricted, most of the game being inside tunnels and having a lot more invisible walls everywhere. DC is practically full of invisible barriers over every pile of rubble.

[Nightmare798]

Walking dead has kids shooting guns all the time, and so does the last of us. Your point?

You want some kind of realism in a game filled with big green nutants and plasma rifles? Sheesh

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Wow, calm down guys.

If NV was set in DC I'd be all over it as best game ever. The Mohave is just dull unfortunately and that is the only real issue with NV. Thing is it's like the most important thing when exploration is such a big thing in the game.

Still, if they get Obsidian to make Fallout 4 and put it somewhere cool. Best. Thing. Ever.

[Pestdoktor]

If NV was set in DC

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