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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2014, 06:23:21 pm »
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Maybe romans, templars, and viking count then. Well at least if u believe the history channel programs lol.

Might as well be History's Ancient ALIENS since Erdoğan isn't grounded in reality
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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2014, 06:24:46 pm »
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another thing we can blame on muslims then

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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2014, 06:31:55 pm »
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not "muslims"... just some fools..... who cares about their religion ?
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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2014, 09:18:26 pm »
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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2014, 04:35:18 am »
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not "muslims"... just some fools..... who cares about their religion ?
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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2014, 05:07:19 am »
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The french have a word for this. Guillotine, or some such spelling. I'm not french.
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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2014, 09:44:31 am »
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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2014, 09:52:39 am »
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Saw a little report about it yesterday in the news :lol:

The faces of the other guests when he says this with a serious face - priceless.
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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2014, 05:02:21 pm »
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America has been dicovered by native indians in Neolithic times.....

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http://coursesite.uhcl.edu/HSH/Whitec/ximages/mapsglobes/northam/AmerindMaps.html

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How can they have been native Indians?  Did they come from India?  I think more correctly, they'd have been native Asians.

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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2014, 05:27:09 pm »
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I'm not exactly sure who got here first but we have neolithic migration from both the west (Asia) as well as the east (what is now France) according to the most recent research on native American tool technology; as both stone-inlaid horn/bone weapons (neolithic Asia) and grooved flint spearheads (neolithic France) have been found by archaeologists.  Either way, both peoples arrived here long before their more modern counterparts.  Something like twenty thousand years ago. 

The credit for the next group of people to "find" America goes to the native Japanese who, fleeing volcanic activity, found their way to the South Americas about 2000BC.  After that things get a little muddy.  We've discovered what appear to be peleponesian remains off the coast of California, suggesting that the ancient Greeks somehow made it here.  Then there's Leif Erikson, which is the only one of the above I remember being mentioned in grade school.  There's also evidence of Hebrews somewhere though I've completely forgot what that was.

So yeah, Columbus day is silly and that Turk politician is a fucking moron.
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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2014, 06:28:54 pm »
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How can they have been native Indians?  Did they come from India?  I think more correctly, they'd have been native Asians.

Native Americans are literally Asian immigrants. Just like Asians are literally African immigrants. Although of course the meaning of those words today has almost nothing in common with the actual people living in those regions back then. Want a fun fact? The first settlers on Madagascar and current day Malagasy are actually Austronesian immigrants.

The credit for the next group of people to "find" America goes to the native Japanese who, fleeing volcanic activity, found their way to the South Americas about 2000BC.  After that things get a little muddy.  We've discovered what appear to be peleponesian remains off the coast of California, suggesting that the ancient Greeks somehow made it here.  Then there's Leif Erikson, which is the only one of the above I remember being mentioned in grade school.  There's also evidence of Hebrews somewhere though I've completely forgot what that was.

Japanese, Hebrews and Greeks? Any sources? The wikipedia article cites other mostly doubtful alleged contacts (with the exception of the Greenland Norse): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact

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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2014, 08:04:56 pm »
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I'm tired of this moron and his moron comrades making a fool of the country and screwing its already fragile image. Everyday I question how could I be that different from these guys and the group they represent, and how I could co-exist with those morons in the same country. Then I remember some famous quote going similar like democracy works against the good will of the country if it is given to ignorant and uneducated people. And then I feel like, maybe that's what the country actually deserves. But then become sad that my country actually deserves much better than this, and and for losing good people, resources and time with unnecessary struggles.

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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2014, 06:24:14 pm »
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This is too funny, literally laughing my ass off.

Everyone knows the egyptians went there first. 2500 BC! just look at the pyriamids. For ISIS!

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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2014, 07:13:56 pm »
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Japanese, Hebrews and Greeks? Any sources? The wikipedia article cites other mostly doubtful alleged contacts (with the exception of the Greenland Norse): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact

Can't help you there as I can't remember the source and I just can't find the motivation to go scouring in the internet right now.  I do know the issues are controversial and not yet accepted by the scientific community though, I can remember that much.  The only thing I can expand on beyond what I already posted is the evidence found regarding Japanese migration.

*There is a people in South American who either all look Asian or a substantial percentage of the populace looks Asian.  (Can't remember their name, sorry.)
*Pottery examples from these people dating back to around 2000bc match those of Japan from the same period.
*Analysis of mummified remains (mummified by the dryness of the Atacama Desert--scientific luck-out there) revealed that they suffered from a blood disease which is unique to one of the Japanese islands.

These three points, at least for me, indicate pretty strongly that the Japanese migrated to South America in pre-Columbian times.  Oh, and the reason for the migration is believed to have been a volcanic eruption that occurred in the same time-frame.

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Re: Erdoğan says America was discovered by Muslims, not Columbus
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2014, 07:51:42 pm »
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Sad stuff

If this happened in my own country I would be really upset. It's funny but god damn. Even if a position like that is supposed to be a figurehead with no real power... you don't someone who will make your country look bad. And this guy makes Turkey look really bad.
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